Once again Burnham coming out as the leader Labour, and perhaps the UK, needs.
My take – FPTP needs to die.
its true. We seem to be at the ‘keep doing the same thing and hope the result changes’ stage of running the country into the ground.
Wish the rest of Labour would get on Burnham’s level.
The king in the North!
Typical Andy never offering solutions just pointing out the obvious
Proportional Voting please when? Vote labour ty.
Only read the headline but yes…
Yes, and that new system is PR. It’d probably diminish Labour’s majority but would be wonderful for leftist ideology as a whole, allowing different ideas on the left to form a bloc against the usually more unified right.
But your party opposed, and continues to oppose such a reform.
Does he mean move away from FPTP and go PR or (as I really hope) bin the current political parties and create some new ones that actually serve us and not them. Blue, Red, Yellow and others are not fit for purpose. We need new parties that reflect modern Britain, a modern world. We’re so far behind we’ll catch up with the USA soon! Imagine being so close to the leader in a race to the bottom. Such shame we’ve had thrust upon us!
The present system relies too much on convention and unspoken ‘gentleman’s agreements’ which is why the Vote Leave fraudsters like Banks and Johnson were able to drive a horse and cart through the system with minimum consequences.
We need a written constition drawn up by lawyers not politicians, an end to FPTP, the royals replaced by a president elected by all members of the HoC and an end to hereditary peers in the HOL.
i’d much like you to run for a seat and oust starmer and win a leadership election pls and thank you have my children
The problem is whenever someone gets elected they have just benefitted from FPTP so there’s little reason to change it. Besides half the reason tories and labour get votes is because they are the only ones with a chance of outright power… would be turkeys voting for Christmas.
Disciples of Thatcherism, which translates into anti-poor and anti-working class, which translates into anti-UK since most of the population is part of those groups.
But shooting themselves in the foot has become the UK population’s motto.
Need to get rid of all the toffs in Westminster.
I’d honestly rather be governed by the sort of people who work in Newsagents and on trawlers than by the fucked-up thieving public-school perverts we have at the moment.
I agree, but PR across a non-federal country? We would never ever be able to remove a rump of about 100 tory and labour mps. Ever. To put that in perspective portillo lost his seat in 97, boris nearly lost his in 2015, balls lost his in 2010 etc etc etc. Under PR they become invulnerable.
Neither party is likely to ever go under 100 seats. So you then have at least 100 mps in both parties that never have to care what the public think. Ever. We could never remove them. There is no way to remove a sitting mp short of them resigning. We cannot impeach them. Even imprisonment does not remove them as mps (archer etc).
However, i agree we need a change. I think we need to directly elect the PM. Take the executive out of the legislative. Make the ministers political appointments. Then let parliament focus on legislation and holding the executive to account. Without the 100 mos that any government has automatically supporting them in parliment whipping will be far harder as they won’t have a base 100 to start with.
An opposition party that doesn’t seem happier when cannibalising itself would be a great start.
I swear the Labour left would rather shout from the sidelines than get in govt aligned with a centrist so that they can pursue some of their agenda. Better so be in power to do something as opposed to nothing, hell even of you did nothing it would be a damn site better than letting the tories in to pursue their agenda.
It’s not so much that we need a new system, we just need to stop voting for cunts. I know people who are working class on average wage who proudly vote Conservative. I know people in the middle class who vote Conservative, despite the tories not wanting a middle class anymore, just because mummy had a Range Rover.
The only people who have any actual reason to vote Conservative are the m/billionaire elite, because they’re the only ones the Tories do anything for. If people understand the Conservatives would happily run this country into the ground for the sake of lining they’re own pockets, then maybe we wouldn’t be in such a state.
He’s probably right, but then the current system could do with credible opposition, too.
Our politics is becoming more and more like america everyday.
Turning into a personality contest with very little to do with policy’s..
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I’ll get right on it.
Once again Burnham coming out as the leader Labour, and perhaps the UK, needs.
My take – FPTP needs to die.
its true. We seem to be at the ‘keep doing the same thing and hope the result changes’ stage of running the country into the ground.
Wish the rest of Labour would get on Burnham’s level.
The king in the North!
Typical Andy never offering solutions just pointing out the obvious
Proportional Voting please when? Vote labour ty.
Only read the headline but yes…
Yes, and that new system is PR. It’d probably diminish Labour’s majority but would be wonderful for leftist ideology as a whole, allowing different ideas on the left to form a bloc against the usually more unified right.
But your party opposed, and continues to oppose such a reform.
Does he mean move away from FPTP and go PR or (as I really hope) bin the current political parties and create some new ones that actually serve us and not them. Blue, Red, Yellow and others are not fit for purpose. We need new parties that reflect modern Britain, a modern world. We’re so far behind we’ll catch up with the USA soon! Imagine being so close to the leader in a race to the bottom. Such shame we’ve had thrust upon us!
The present system relies too much on convention and unspoken ‘gentleman’s agreements’ which is why the Vote Leave fraudsters like Banks and Johnson were able to drive a horse and cart through the system with minimum consequences.
We need a written constition drawn up by lawyers not politicians, an end to FPTP, the royals replaced by a president elected by all members of the HoC and an end to hereditary peers in the HOL.
Rory Stewart was saying the same thing recently:
> Speaking to an audience at the Edinburgh festival fringe, Stewart said a shift away from the UK’s first-past-the-post system was needed so “new parties, new ideas, new opportunities” could break through. – [Guardian – Aug 6th 2022](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/06/tory-partys-lurch-to-right-painful-to-watch-says-rory-stewart)
i’d much like you to run for a seat and oust starmer and win a leadership election pls and thank you have my children
The problem is whenever someone gets elected they have just benefitted from FPTP so there’s little reason to change it. Besides half the reason tories and labour get votes is because they are the only ones with a chance of outright power… would be turkeys voting for Christmas.
Disciples of Thatcherism, which translates into anti-poor and anti-working class, which translates into anti-UK since most of the population is part of those groups.
But shooting themselves in the foot has become the UK population’s motto.
Need to get rid of all the toffs in Westminster.
I’d honestly rather be governed by the sort of people who work in Newsagents and on trawlers than by the fucked-up thieving public-school perverts we have at the moment.
I agree, but PR across a non-federal country? We would never ever be able to remove a rump of about 100 tory and labour mps. Ever. To put that in perspective portillo lost his seat in 97, boris nearly lost his in 2015, balls lost his in 2010 etc etc etc. Under PR they become invulnerable.
Neither party is likely to ever go under 100 seats. So you then have at least 100 mps in both parties that never have to care what the public think. Ever. We could never remove them. There is no way to remove a sitting mp short of them resigning. We cannot impeach them. Even imprisonment does not remove them as mps (archer etc).
However, i agree we need a change. I think we need to directly elect the PM. Take the executive out of the legislative. Make the ministers political appointments. Then let parliament focus on legislation and holding the executive to account. Without the 100 mos that any government has automatically supporting them in parliment whipping will be far harder as they won’t have a base 100 to start with.
An opposition party that doesn’t seem happier when cannibalising itself would be a great start.
I swear the Labour left would rather shout from the sidelines than get in govt aligned with a centrist so that they can pursue some of their agenda. Better so be in power to do something as opposed to nothing, hell even of you did nothing it would be a damn site better than letting the tories in to pursue their agenda.
It’s not so much that we need a new system, we just need to stop voting for cunts. I know people who are working class on average wage who proudly vote Conservative. I know people in the middle class who vote Conservative, despite the tories not wanting a middle class anymore, just because mummy had a Range Rover.
The only people who have any actual reason to vote Conservative are the m/billionaire elite, because they’re the only ones the Tories do anything for. If people understand the Conservatives would happily run this country into the ground for the sake of lining they’re own pockets, then maybe we wouldn’t be in such a state.
He’s probably right, but then the current system could do with credible opposition, too.
Our politics is becoming more and more like america everyday.
Turning into a personality contest with very little to do with policy’s..
Burnham needs to get back into national politics.