This comes across as “earlier in my career, I had shit jobs with no flexibility, and I’d rather everyone else goes through the same rather than have a easier time” .
Also we should never use the US as a basis for work ethics, a nation that lives to work rather than works to live.
I’m disgusted by this Americanised your job is your life nonsense coming over here. There a more to life than pleasing some sad middle manager
Rebuttal: Pay more or fuck off.
Coming from someone with the privilege of being able to afford to go to an American college and then go into Journalism…via an incredibly coveted fellowship at Harvard…
What utter shite. I wouldn’t light a fire with that article.
People are paid proportionately much less today for work than they used to be. Not that long ago a person could have paid rent working a regular job, now they have to share houses with multiple others and split bills well into their 30s (if they even leave home). The youth aren’t wrong about being pissed off about that.
Workers aren’t seeing the benefits of working hard so they should work hard and hope to god they get benefits?
Is this the new Messiah?
The joke used to be, “young people, walking around like they rent the place”. But most can’t even afford to rent anymore. Corporate greed is the problem, productivity is at an all time high while wage ratios are at a low. This is because corporations value profits over everything. This old wagon is the deluded one, nobody wants to kill themselves for a job that doesn’t give them any sort of quality of life.
The nicest thing I can say about that waffle is at least it’s a change from the “Spineless coddled Millennials need to grow a pair and stand up for themselves” narrative.
Insert “Nooooo not like *that*” meme face here.
I love when the older generations go off about the cynical youth as if they’re the ones inheriting a spiralling housing market and climate catastrophe.
Tone deaf article
This is a post for
r/antiwork sub if ever I saw it. At first I thought that sub was for lazy people who didn’t want a job until
I looked into it further. No, it’s for people who want fair employment and don’t want to live to work.
What a clown. Imagine slating a guy for asking if the workers at a company are getting the same number of holidays as last year, or going back to the bare minimum allowed by law. I don’t really give a fuck if the company I work for is turning a profit in a particular year, especially when that company wasted 3 billion on VR with zero return, but I do care whether I get one week of holidays or three
I take pride in the fact that I’m sitting at my desk supposed to be “*working from home*” but instead I’m the mirror image of the guy on the article while scrolling through Reddit.
Fuck you Irish times and your bullshit.
It’s a shame Pilitas parents didn’t hug her more, if they had, maybe we wouldn’t have to listen to her verbal diarrhea.
Ahh yes, work harder so that you can make the shareholders more money so that they can buy more houses ahead of us to rent back to us at rates we can’t afford. Sounds good.
The issue is the corporate culture of being paid to do 40 hours but being expected to do 70
As a great man once sang: “Is it worth the aggravation to find yourself a job when there’s nothing worth working for?”
As soon as someone uses the US as a comparison and tries to paint it positively I check out. What a tool.
This article is frustrating. The journalist uses examples of employees being « lazy » that she thinks are slamdunks but are literally just common sense to me. For example she is shocked that some employees prefer having a meeting online rather than travelling internationally for the same meeting (!) or that they are not impressed by a request to (be seen to) work from the office in case clients come around… there is also no justification or source when she argues younger workers are over parentified or that there’s never been a better time to be a young employee. Not a convincing article to me at all yet I bet the target audience of butt-in-seat middle managers will lap it up.
The article is just rage bait, don’t even click on it.
I don’t really like the term boomer because it’s not generationally accurate in Ireland, but I’m pretty sure the author is a yank or a Brit so it may actually apply – but this has to be the boomeriest article I’ve seen in a while, that is to say it’s a bunch of myopic tonedeaf bollocks.
The entire article reeks of ageism. “Having more years under your belt means that what you do is naturally more correct than younger colleagues”.
This piece near the top of the article actually says it all;
> Now, I have no idea how old Gary is, but considering the average age of a Facebook employee has been about 28, I doubt he saw the first moon walk.
Pilita, the moonwalk took place 53 years ago. Most people who saw it are dead or retired.
Of course it would never occur that maybe she’s now part of an out of touch older generation. She saw the moon walk after all.
Not as if there is much to have a stake in these days. Sky high rent, fuck all probability of buying a house/apartment any time soon, climate going to shit because of capitalists from the older generations, a very real risk of worldwide collapse in the next 50 years, government that doesn’t give a toss about citizens. What is there to be “engaged” with exactly? Also, Zuckerberg is a complete prick, and I don’t think there was anything wrong in that employee asking about those days off
Every few years the IT comes out with this absolute tripe. They did the same with the housing market, education and now work ethics.
I love the way they think it’s encouraging to tell me I only have two free articles left to read as well. 😆
I’m 47 and I feel disengaged, indifferent and perhaps deluded. I’ve worked for companies of all sizes since I was 17. The corporate world is a drag. What legacy do I leave, other than a few million keystrokes and phone calls?
“Another young man “James from Seattle” told his boss he’d no longer handwrite reports with a quill and ink, as his so called “personal computer” was, in his words, “more efficient”. A girl not long passed debutante age, working for a leading financial firm, reportedly told her manager during a performance review, that the reason she had missed several days that year, was due to tiny invisible animals called “viruses”, that had gotten inside her body and brought illness down upon her, and an accountant from London shocked his bosses by claiming he wanted to use some sort of magical thinking box to keep track of the companies ledgers rather than do the hard honest work of sowing various grains and seeds onto different coloured strings as all hard working accountants have done for generations.”
Why did a newspaper publish the delerious rantings of this very very old lady? Are they trying to embarrass her publicly?
This is literal propaganda. How dare the current young workers be the first generation to not put up with scummy employers bullshit.
The fact these type of articles are a thing are because we have the employers by the balls.
At the end of the day I will never be convinced to working my ass off week in and week out just to barely afford some shitty tiny apartment with 3 or 4 strangers. Especially knowing the people above me do half the work but can afford a more luxurious lifestyle.
Hard work doesn’t pay off unless you’re self employed.
r/antiwork would have a field day with this
Another insightful article from an Irish Times Business guru, or however she models herself. Yeah, lauding the most hated man in tech for taking away some of his workers’ benefits and saying how she’d love to have been there. This just shows you how out of touch the Irish Times is. It doesn’t speak to the nation (if it ever did). Why don’t they give the money they use to commission a piece from this sap to some young professional who can write about how work life REALLY is in Ireland. And this whole “it was much harder in our day”… there is a certain class of middle agers in Irish society who trumpet this like a broken record. No matter how many times you say it, it’s simply not true.
Disengaged? Yes.
Indifferent? Yes.
Deluded? No, but you are.
I work to make money while I study. I am not doing the job I want and I am not in the career I want, one day I will be. Young people are all doing jobs they don’t want to do just to make money, can you blame us for being disinterested in working?
There has been an inflation of workload, for a reduced reward. And we’re being told in articles like this, that we’re coddled and lazy. Fewer and fewer millenials read this dying newspaper, and one sided, myopic articles like this will ensure its eventual capitualtion. I’m sure that will be blamed on millenials too. There is a pattern here.
To put it simply, people have finally realised that the idea that if you work hard you will reap the benefits of it and be able to lead an idealised life, is essentially a scam.
That idea may have been true for the two generations previous to millennial, and it may yet be true for the generation to follow, or more likely the one after that, but the millennial generation are the ones who need to pay for the generations that came before it.
It was not the millennials who caused the financial crisis, and certainly not them who were enriched by it, but they have to make do with what’s left afterwards, which is paltry and rapidly diminishing. And the generation who were enriched? They own the properties millenials need to sacrifice their pension contributions to pay for. The banks? They’re colluding with investor funds to ensure rents stay sky high, build to buy homes are few and overpriced, and mortgages impossible to acquire.
So, why work oneself to misery when it is clear there will be fuck all to show for it at the end? Enjoy life now, you can’t rely on a pension or retirement if the money you should be saving is going towards rent, or if you’ll never actually own a home.
For a long time I’ve been struggling to shake off the idea that Ireland hates its young people, and though the majority of millenials are no longer young, articles like this show me that I have been right in that creeping assumption.
If your job is your whole life then you clearly lead a sad empty existence. This Pilita Clark sounds like a bitter oul one who had a crap work-life balance and now because she suffered she expects anyone who came after her to suffer too.
Lmao, I love how the article casually ends with “Well, is there a reason for this? Yes. Working hard won’t stop you from relying on your parents when you’re a manager, it’s entirely questionable why anyone would commit to achieve nothing.”
Pure click-bait.
I live in mainland Europe after spending all of my 20s being exploited by corporate Ireland. My French colleagues are always shocked at my ‘American’ mindset. My bosses tell me to calm the fuck down and relax.
If she included *any* data at all, it would say the opopsite. OECD report from last year showed Irish are among the highest educated and employers take a short-term approach, not using their skills or managing job progression.
And in exchange, I’m 30 with no family of my own, no house and no respect for who I am outside of work.
So these boomers can fuck right off.
Tripe based on people still being stuck in their slave mindsets. I’m fully remote now and have tons of flexibility and good wages and I’m never going back.
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This comes across as “earlier in my career, I had shit jobs with no flexibility, and I’d rather everyone else goes through the same rather than have a easier time” .
Also we should never use the US as a basis for work ethics, a nation that lives to work rather than works to live.
I’m disgusted by this Americanised your job is your life nonsense coming over here. There a more to life than pleasing some sad middle manager
Rebuttal: Pay more or fuck off.
Coming from someone with the privilege of being able to afford to go to an American college and then go into Journalism…via an incredibly coveted fellowship at Harvard…
What utter shite. I wouldn’t light a fire with that article.
People are paid proportionately much less today for work than they used to be. Not that long ago a person could have paid rent working a regular job, now they have to share houses with multiple others and split bills well into their 30s (if they even leave home). The youth aren’t wrong about being pissed off about that.
Workers aren’t seeing the benefits of working hard so they should work hard and hope to god they get benefits?
Is this the new Messiah?
The joke used to be, “young people, walking around like they rent the place”. But most can’t even afford to rent anymore. Corporate greed is the problem, productivity is at an all time high while wage ratios are at a low. This is because corporations value profits over everything. This old wagon is the deluded one, nobody wants to kill themselves for a job that doesn’t give them any sort of quality of life.
The nicest thing I can say about that waffle is at least it’s a change from the “Spineless coddled Millennials need to grow a pair and stand up for themselves” narrative.
Insert “Nooooo not like *that*” meme face here.
I love when the older generations go off about the cynical youth as if they’re the ones inheriting a spiralling housing market and climate catastrophe.
Tone deaf article
This is a post for
r/antiwork sub if ever I saw it. At first I thought that sub was for lazy people who didn’t want a job until
I looked into it further. No, it’s for people who want fair employment and don’t want to live to work.
What a clown. Imagine slating a guy for asking if the workers at a company are getting the same number of holidays as last year, or going back to the bare minimum allowed by law. I don’t really give a fuck if the company I work for is turning a profit in a particular year, especially when that company wasted 3 billion on VR with zero return, but I do care whether I get one week of holidays or three
I take pride in the fact that I’m sitting at my desk supposed to be “*working from home*” but instead I’m the mirror image of the guy on the article while scrolling through Reddit.
Fuck you Irish times and your bullshit.
It’s a shame Pilitas parents didn’t hug her more, if they had, maybe we wouldn’t have to listen to her verbal diarrhea.
Ahh yes, work harder so that you can make the shareholders more money so that they can buy more houses ahead of us to rent back to us at rates we can’t afford. Sounds good.
The issue is the corporate culture of being paid to do 40 hours but being expected to do 70
As a great man once sang: “Is it worth the aggravation to find yourself a job when there’s nothing worth working for?”
As soon as someone uses the US as a comparison and tries to paint it positively I check out. What a tool.
This article is frustrating. The journalist uses examples of employees being « lazy » that she thinks are slamdunks but are literally just common sense to me. For example she is shocked that some employees prefer having a meeting online rather than travelling internationally for the same meeting (!) or that they are not impressed by a request to (be seen to) work from the office in case clients come around… there is also no justification or source when she argues younger workers are over parentified or that there’s never been a better time to be a young employee. Not a convincing article to me at all yet I bet the target audience of butt-in-seat middle managers will lap it up.
The article is just rage bait, don’t even click on it.
I don’t really like the term boomer because it’s not generationally accurate in Ireland, but I’m pretty sure the author is a yank or a Brit so it may actually apply – but this has to be the boomeriest article I’ve seen in a while, that is to say it’s a bunch of myopic tonedeaf bollocks.
The entire article reeks of ageism. “Having more years under your belt means that what you do is naturally more correct than younger colleagues”.
This piece near the top of the article actually says it all;
> Now, I have no idea how old Gary is, but considering the average age of a Facebook employee has been about 28, I doubt he saw the first moon walk.
Pilita, the moonwalk took place 53 years ago. Most people who saw it are dead or retired.
Of course it would never occur that maybe she’s now part of an out of touch older generation. She saw the moon walk after all.
Not as if there is much to have a stake in these days. Sky high rent, fuck all probability of buying a house/apartment any time soon, climate going to shit because of capitalists from the older generations, a very real risk of worldwide collapse in the next 50 years, government that doesn’t give a toss about citizens. What is there to be “engaged” with exactly? Also, Zuckerberg is a complete prick, and I don’t think there was anything wrong in that employee asking about those days off
Every few years the IT comes out with this absolute tripe. They did the same with the housing market, education and now work ethics.
I love the way they think it’s encouraging to tell me I only have two free articles left to read as well. 😆
I’m 47 and I feel disengaged, indifferent and perhaps deluded. I’ve worked for companies of all sizes since I was 17. The corporate world is a drag. What legacy do I leave, other than a few million keystrokes and phone calls?
“Another young man “James from Seattle” told his boss he’d no longer handwrite reports with a quill and ink, as his so called “personal computer” was, in his words, “more efficient”. A girl not long passed debutante age, working for a leading financial firm, reportedly told her manager during a performance review, that the reason she had missed several days that year, was due to tiny invisible animals called “viruses”, that had gotten inside her body and brought illness down upon her, and an accountant from London shocked his bosses by claiming he wanted to use some sort of magical thinking box to keep track of the companies ledgers rather than do the hard honest work of sowing various grains and seeds onto different coloured strings as all hard working accountants have done for generations.”
Why did a newspaper publish the delerious rantings of this very very old lady? Are they trying to embarrass her publicly?
This is literal propaganda. How dare the current young workers be the first generation to not put up with scummy employers bullshit.
The fact these type of articles are a thing are because we have the employers by the balls.
At the end of the day I will never be convinced to working my ass off week in and week out just to barely afford some shitty tiny apartment with 3 or 4 strangers. Especially knowing the people above me do half the work but can afford a more luxurious lifestyle.
Hard work doesn’t pay off unless you’re self employed.
r/antiwork would have a field day with this
Another insightful article from an Irish Times Business guru, or however she models herself. Yeah, lauding the most hated man in tech for taking away some of his workers’ benefits and saying how she’d love to have been there. This just shows you how out of touch the Irish Times is. It doesn’t speak to the nation (if it ever did). Why don’t they give the money they use to commission a piece from this sap to some young professional who can write about how work life REALLY is in Ireland. And this whole “it was much harder in our day”… there is a certain class of middle agers in Irish society who trumpet this like a broken record. No matter how many times you say it, it’s simply not true.
Disengaged? Yes.
Indifferent? Yes.
Deluded? No, but you are.
I work to make money while I study. I am not doing the job I want and I am not in the career I want, one day I will be. Young people are all doing jobs they don’t want to do just to make money, can you blame us for being disinterested in working?
There has been an inflation of workload, for a reduced reward. And we’re being told in articles like this, that we’re coddled and lazy. Fewer and fewer millenials read this dying newspaper, and one sided, myopic articles like this will ensure its eventual capitualtion. I’m sure that will be blamed on millenials too. There is a pattern here.
To put it simply, people have finally realised that the idea that if you work hard you will reap the benefits of it and be able to lead an idealised life, is essentially a scam.
That idea may have been true for the two generations previous to millennial, and it may yet be true for the generation to follow, or more likely the one after that, but the millennial generation are the ones who need to pay for the generations that came before it.
It was not the millennials who caused the financial crisis, and certainly not them who were enriched by it, but they have to make do with what’s left afterwards, which is paltry and rapidly diminishing. And the generation who were enriched? They own the properties millenials need to sacrifice their pension contributions to pay for. The banks? They’re colluding with investor funds to ensure rents stay sky high, build to buy homes are few and overpriced, and mortgages impossible to acquire.
So, why work oneself to misery when it is clear there will be fuck all to show for it at the end? Enjoy life now, you can’t rely on a pension or retirement if the money you should be saving is going towards rent, or if you’ll never actually own a home.
For a long time I’ve been struggling to shake off the idea that Ireland hates its young people, and though the majority of millenials are no longer young, articles like this show me that I have been right in that creeping assumption.
If your job is your whole life then you clearly lead a sad empty existence. This Pilita Clark sounds like a bitter oul one who had a crap work-life balance and now because she suffered she expects anyone who came after her to suffer too.
Lmao, I love how the article casually ends with “Well, is there a reason for this? Yes. Working hard won’t stop you from relying on your parents when you’re a manager, it’s entirely questionable why anyone would commit to achieve nothing.”
Pure click-bait.
I live in mainland Europe after spending all of my 20s being exploited by corporate Ireland. My French colleagues are always shocked at my ‘American’ mindset. My bosses tell me to calm the fuck down and relax.
If she included *any* data at all, it would say the opopsite. OECD report from last year showed Irish are among the highest educated and employers take a short-term approach, not using their skills or managing job progression.
And in exchange, I’m 30 with no family of my own, no house and no respect for who I am outside of work.
So these boomers can fuck right off.
Tripe based on people still being stuck in their slave mindsets. I’m fully remote now and have tons of flexibility and good wages and I’m never going back.