> Government ‘not on course’ to turn UK into ‘science superpower’ by 2030, peers say
“No shit”, everyone says.
> the commitment was at risk of becoming “an empty slogan”
The committee was later unable to clarify exactly which government commitment they were talking about.
> He added: “There’s a danger that the UK may become a bureaucracy superpower instead of a science superpower.”
That’s what 17m people voted for.
The problem is this government (and the previous, and doubtless the next) are stuck in a fundamentally anti-intellectual position. They are all anti-expert, only agreeing with and amplifying expert views when those views match their policies. So how can they credibly lead the way in the international world of scientific research, when every scientist knows that this government will happily ignore, undermine, criticise, or blame them down the road when it suits them?
I’m currently doing a physics degree, it’s not an understatement to say that the entire science community is bereft at the current situations, people are already planning to relocate to Europe to do their research projects.
The UK isn’t on course to anywhere.
It’s drifting, rudderless.
Has been for years.
Kicked unceremoniously out of Horizon Europe with zero prospect of anything like the same money coming from the Brexit government.
So I’m not surprised.
No shit.
Does anyone know who the currenr Minister for Science, Research and Innovation is?
The answer is no, you don’t, because there isn’t one. They resigned and Boris hasn’t been able to fill the role. Our nationwide research is currently rudderless.
Brexit has been terrible, there are less grants available sure but even the day to day of research has become more difficult. Things that once took a week to arrive can now take months. We’ve been waiting for certain reagents for 8 months because there was a shortage and the UK was at the back of the queue behind Europe.
I work for a large tech company that previously employed many people from the EU. They’ve all left. The brain drain has been catastrophic.
More like Science Poundland.
No shit. The British public and the government don’t value scientific research. For whatever reason they believe that academics are just all sitting around raking cash in at the expense of the hardworking British taxpayer. Meanwhile the actual fact of the matter is that even researchers in hard sciences make a pittance and have no job security.
It was never going to happen. Empty marketing slogans aimed at simpletons.
Shocked Pikachu Face
The salaries I’m being offered in London vs other countries to move to industry are a real terms pay cut from academia. My field hasn’t been badly affected (yet…) but I’m seriously considering moving elsewhere in the near future.
>Government ‘not on course’ to turn UK into ‘science superpower’ by 2030, peers say
Nothing to do with an utter fucking total lack of investment in STEM?
We slipped into oblivion years ago.
I’d be hard convinced if they could navigate a golf course
PhD student here, yeah im leaving for europe either after my phd or one post doc, no investment in science and too few industry jobs, all paid at rates substantially lower than out neighbours. The brain bleed is going to be real for the uk.
By the time I finished my undergrad, some kind of lecturer strike was a given for the academic year. A
A “Science Superpower” would have to actually treat its academics properly, and perhaps (and this is apparently radical position) even pay them properly. The UK seemingly isn´t willing or capable of doing that, so the UK is not going to be a Science Superpower.
Wondering when it will finally clock in: an educated country is not in the Tory interest.
A lot of scientists, good research, great universities and an opportunity for people to get great education at a tertiary level is disadvantageous from their perspective. Educated population starts seeing through the social engineering, manipulation and all kinds of trickery they do, and is willing to rise up.
Easier to keep people in the chokehold of lack of awareness, pure ignorance and misunderstanding of what’s going on.
I wish you could add gifs on Reddit because this really warrants a Nicolas Cage you don’t say gif.
This is why Boris wants to pack the Lords with his cronies, so they will keep blowing smoke up his arse
Too busy starving people
How can it on course?
It has become a ‘Hillbillies’ watch.
One hopes for a positive turn around, depending on who is elected.
Latest : When one blantly denies without a ‘shutter,’ what came out of their ‘mouth’
‘When Society accepts :’ A wrong has now become a right’.
I like to think Britain is sailing exactly like the Costa Concordia did.
Captained by an incompetent (and corrupt) captain, useless crew… slowly drifting us into doom. While we pay the price, they run off and probably get cushioned jobs elsewhere.
Make no mistake, British science has world beating potential, but cutting itself out of European funding is a retrograde, contrary move and hurts everyone.
It is on course for turning the UK into a science wasteland by 2023 however.
We went from Charles Darwin to this
Sad sight to see it all fall
God, it’s depressing to know that most of us knew this would be the case. Brexit has done fuck all for us and continues to sink us lower and lower as a country. Not just the big B but just this conservative government in general. I might be optimistic but I just feel that while it wouldn’t be a utopia with a labour gov, it would certainly be better and more optimistic than this :/
Brexit isn’t even the main reason for this, it’s just one of many reasons in how poorly governed we have been for so long.
Fierce anti-skilled immigration policies, some of the lowest salaries in Western Europe, universities run purely as a business, lack of funding, institutional nepotism (Cambridge, Oxford), total destruction of benefits such as pensions, high cost of living.
It’s just so far away from what it could and should be, so many missteps.
Um you didn’t hear? British people have had enough of experts.
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> Government ‘not on course’ to turn UK into ‘science superpower’ by 2030, peers say
“No shit”, everyone says.
> the commitment was at risk of becoming “an empty slogan”
The committee was later unable to clarify exactly which government commitment they were talking about.
> He added: “There’s a danger that the UK may become a bureaucracy superpower instead of a science superpower.”
That’s what 17m people voted for.
The problem is this government (and the previous, and doubtless the next) are stuck in a fundamentally anti-intellectual position. They are all anti-expert, only agreeing with and amplifying expert views when those views match their policies. So how can they credibly lead the way in the international world of scientific research, when every scientist knows that this government will happily ignore, undermine, criticise, or blame them down the road when it suits them?
I’m currently doing a physics degree, it’s not an understatement to say that the entire science community is bereft at the current situations, people are already planning to relocate to Europe to do their research projects.
The UK isn’t on course to anywhere.
It’s drifting, rudderless.
Has been for years.
Kicked unceremoniously out of Horizon Europe with zero prospect of anything like the same money coming from the Brexit government.
So I’m not surprised.
No shit.
Does anyone know who the currenr Minister for Science, Research and Innovation is?
The answer is no, you don’t, because there isn’t one. They resigned and Boris hasn’t been able to fill the role. Our nationwide research is currently rudderless.
Brexit has been terrible, there are less grants available sure but even the day to day of research has become more difficult. Things that once took a week to arrive can now take months. We’ve been waiting for certain reagents for 8 months because there was a shortage and the UK was at the back of the queue behind Europe.
I work for a large tech company that previously employed many people from the EU. They’ve all left. The brain drain has been catastrophic.
More like Science Poundland.
No shit. The British public and the government don’t value scientific research. For whatever reason they believe that academics are just all sitting around raking cash in at the expense of the hardworking British taxpayer. Meanwhile the actual fact of the matter is that even researchers in hard sciences make a pittance and have no job security.
It was never going to happen. Empty marketing slogans aimed at simpletons.
Shocked Pikachu Face
The salaries I’m being offered in London vs other countries to move to industry are a real terms pay cut from academia. My field hasn’t been badly affected (yet…) but I’m seriously considering moving elsewhere in the near future.
>Government ‘not on course’ to turn UK into ‘science superpower’ by 2030, peers say
Nothing to do with an utter fucking total lack of investment in STEM?
We slipped into oblivion years ago.
I’d be hard convinced if they could navigate a golf course
PhD student here, yeah im leaving for europe either after my phd or one post doc, no investment in science and too few industry jobs, all paid at rates substantially lower than out neighbours. The brain bleed is going to be real for the uk.
By the time I finished my undergrad, some kind of lecturer strike was a given for the academic year. A
A “Science Superpower” would have to actually treat its academics properly, and perhaps (and this is apparently radical position) even pay them properly. The UK seemingly isn´t willing or capable of doing that, so the UK is not going to be a Science Superpower.
Wondering when it will finally clock in: an educated country is not in the Tory interest.
A lot of scientists, good research, great universities and an opportunity for people to get great education at a tertiary level is disadvantageous from their perspective. Educated population starts seeing through the social engineering, manipulation and all kinds of trickery they do, and is willing to rise up.
Easier to keep people in the chokehold of lack of awareness, pure ignorance and misunderstanding of what’s going on.
I wish you could add gifs on Reddit because this really warrants a Nicolas Cage you don’t say gif.
This is why Boris wants to pack the Lords with his cronies, so they will keep blowing smoke up his arse
Too busy starving people
How can it on course?
It has become a ‘Hillbillies’ watch.
One hopes for a positive turn around, depending on who is elected.
Latest : When one blantly denies without a ‘shutter,’ what came out of their ‘mouth’
‘When Society accepts :’ A wrong has now become a right’.
I like to think Britain is sailing exactly like the Costa Concordia did.
Captained by an incompetent (and corrupt) captain, useless crew… slowly drifting us into doom. While we pay the price, they run off and probably get cushioned jobs elsewhere.
Make no mistake, British science has world beating potential, but cutting itself out of European funding is a retrograde, contrary move and hurts everyone.
It is on course for turning the UK into a science wasteland by 2023 however.
We went from Charles Darwin to this
Sad sight to see it all fall
God, it’s depressing to know that most of us knew this would be the case. Brexit has done fuck all for us and continues to sink us lower and lower as a country. Not just the big B but just this conservative government in general. I might be optimistic but I just feel that while it wouldn’t be a utopia with a labour gov, it would certainly be better and more optimistic than this :/
Brexit isn’t even the main reason for this, it’s just one of many reasons in how poorly governed we have been for so long.
Fierce anti-skilled immigration policies, some of the lowest salaries in Western Europe, universities run purely as a business, lack of funding, institutional nepotism (Cambridge, Oxford), total destruction of benefits such as pensions, high cost of living.
It’s just so far away from what it could and should be, so many missteps.
Um you didn’t hear? British people have had enough of experts.