These petitions do absolutely nothing unfortunately
What’s an “energy company”?
The national grid?
Shell?
Centrica?
British Gas?
All of the above?
I always wonder why people think they can just nationalise something overnight as if by magic. As if it doesn’t involve a lot of give and take and massive consequences.
Meaningless since those selling are just buying from those generating.
There is some argument to be made for nationalising the generation part of it, but we all know that Torys will just under-fund it and run it into the ground so it can be sold off again much to their personal gain.
Does this work?
I’m all for nationalising wind and solar energy companies. But why do we want to take on all the liabilities of an industry that is destined to collapse in the next decade? And is only seeing profits by squeezing monopolies on natural resources.
If I were a CEO of a fossil fuel company I’d actually want to be nationalised at the moment. Because then I could use whatever profits and buy out money to secure control of renewables.
Nationalising oil, gas, and coal would be like nationalising struggling horse farms in the 1940s. The solution wasn’t government control of horses. It was a transition to mechanised forms of transportation.
Don’t spend money nationalising fossil fuels. Spend money building new government owned green energy sources.
This really would not fix the problem.
I don’t understand why people would go to the effort of making a petition before taking five minutes to understand the issue.
These petitions are useless.
I can already see the response being something like:
>We understand people are struggling to pay their bills… Bla bla bla… Government is doing something to help out… We have no plans to nationalise energy companies… The end.
[removed]
Every single attempt at council run energy supplier has failed
Robin hood energy, victory energy, together energy, Bristol energy all failed.
Even the regulator Ofgem hasn’t a clue how to manage an energy market.
Why on earth do people think the government is capable of running an energy supply business.
They’ve failed on every, single, occasion.
No. We should legislate price caps and wait for them to all go bankrupt, then nationalise them for pennies on the pound. Fuck paying full price to foreign owners.
wait till people find out the cheap rates we had before the crisis was only possible due to the debundling and liberalisation of the energy system.
Lets just all go on strike when pork markets becomes pm
To what end? You think nationalising energy companies is going to help, when it’s the world wide market prices that is the problem?
The only thing the government could do is pay for energy for you. But that’s irrelevant if it’s nationalised or private.
You could be angry at the government for lack of planning, lack of approval for nuclear power, and lack of green energy development. But there’s not much they can do right now.
1) It’d never happen under the Tories
2) Even if it happened under a Corbyn-style Labour government, it’d be a waste of money since the first thing the Tories would do when getting back into power is selling it all off for a pittance to thier ~~owners~~ donors.
Can start by never voting Tory, France capped energy rise to 4%, Westminster under Tory’s allow big business to hammer everyone.
Remember that time when a petition did something? Nah, me neither.
Bit late, decades late actually. Sign all the petitions you want, it won’t make any difference.
Oh yeah, honey, good luck.
You’ll be bathing in your blood in one of your main street before these traitorous sacks of filth would let you have control 🙂
Just out of curiosity, say the government decided to re-nationalise the energy sector. How would that go about? Do they simply just force the owners of these companies to sell them at a value decided by a judge?
They make less than 4% profit and are currently losing money. This is dumb.
It’s a big no from me.
There should be a petition to close down the petition website since it’s completely useless and is a waste of money to run.
All that will happen is the public sector will add 42 layers of bureaucracy to everything they do and whilst a handful of directors will now not be paid millions and pensions with energy companies in them will get shafted, your energy will NOT get cheaper.
A flawless plan. Surely when they see all these signatures, they’ll seize their mates companies!
There are no “energy companies”.
There are energy producers, energy users, energy distribution systems operators, energy transmission system operators, flexibility providers, energy providers, meter operating companies etc.
Which ones should be nationalised?
I can’t believe I used to bother signing these, hasn’t achieved anything ever
“Sign this pointless petition – it will do nothing, but, if you’re a bit thick, it will make you feel like you’re part of some kind of democracy. Then you can clap the nurses and *still* vote Tory again next election.”
Petitions achieve absolutely nothing except waste everyone’s time. You’d be better actually campaigning for an issue instead.
not a fan of this as energy companies need massive innovation
oil companies on the other hand…
Energy Companies is a very vague term, the energy network is built up of tons of steps and companies.
We don’t need nationalisation, we need regulation, better regulation.
Look at the DNO’s in the UK, they operate a monopolised market and OFGEM come down on them like a sack of bricks. They have ridiculously strict rules to follow and by doing this, DNO’s are performing better than they ever have before.
Safety, interruptions, customer services are all at record high performance across the 6 DNO’s.
But the difference is that most people don’t ever interact with these, only for an issue. You pay your service charge in your bills and those for the most part are a tiny % of it.
Instead of nationalising, regulate the energy generators, those are the companies making record profits from the events of this year.
This government can barely keep itself together, nationalisation isn’t going to improve any kind of of services you currently receive.
Can see this one really getting off the ground lol
Never.
The Government are useless.
We just need a government with a couple of engineers in it instead of lawyers, journalists and economists.
The energy system needs strategic technical thinking
Right, and hand over control to our politicians who are so competent and effective at running the country
HK has an interesting solution to some of the problems caused by privatised electricity companies without resorting to nationalisation.
I don’t think this makes much sense, as I’m pretty sure most of BP/Shells’s extraction is abroad, only dregs are left from the UK’s reserves. In fact nationalising the UK extraction elements may increase profits as they don’t have to worry about the massive decommissioning costs associated with offshore rigs.
Petition to have petitions on that site taken seriously
This is the equivalent of those 5000 likes and this thing will happen Facebook posts
I’m starting to believe all you lot are fucking bots. It’s the same comments the same jokes and the same “hurr Durr isn’t life shit?” Sarcasm that would make a chuckle brother wince.
When exactly are we going to take to the streets. How far are we willing to be pushed? How about 24/9/22 London. Weekend before the dontpay pledge date.
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Ahh, if I had a pound…..
These petitions do absolutely nothing unfortunately
What’s an “energy company”?
The national grid?
Shell?
Centrica?
British Gas?
All of the above?
I always wonder why people think they can just nationalise something overnight as if by magic. As if it doesn’t involve a lot of give and take and massive consequences.
Meaningless since those selling are just buying from those generating.
There is some argument to be made for nationalising the generation part of it, but we all know that Torys will just under-fund it and run it into the ground so it can be sold off again much to their personal gain.
Does this work?
I’m all for nationalising wind and solar energy companies. But why do we want to take on all the liabilities of an industry that is destined to collapse in the next decade? And is only seeing profits by squeezing monopolies on natural resources.
If I were a CEO of a fossil fuel company I’d actually want to be nationalised at the moment. Because then I could use whatever profits and buy out money to secure control of renewables.
Nationalising oil, gas, and coal would be like nationalising struggling horse farms in the 1940s. The solution wasn’t government control of horses. It was a transition to mechanised forms of transportation.
Don’t spend money nationalising fossil fuels. Spend money building new government owned green energy sources.
This really would not fix the problem.
I don’t understand why people would go to the effort of making a petition before taking five minutes to understand the issue.
These petitions are useless.
I can already see the response being something like:
>We understand people are struggling to pay their bills… Bla bla bla… Government is doing something to help out… We have no plans to nationalise energy companies… The end.
[removed]
Every single attempt at council run energy supplier has failed
Robin hood energy, victory energy, together energy, Bristol energy all failed.
Even the regulator Ofgem hasn’t a clue how to manage an energy market.
Why on earth do people think the government is capable of running an energy supply business.
They’ve failed on every, single, occasion.
No. We should legislate price caps and wait for them to all go bankrupt, then nationalise them for pennies on the pound. Fuck paying full price to foreign owners.
wait till people find out the cheap rates we had before the crisis was only possible due to the debundling and liberalisation of the energy system.
Lets just all go on strike when pork markets becomes pm
To what end? You think nationalising energy companies is going to help, when it’s the world wide market prices that is the problem?
The only thing the government could do is pay for energy for you. But that’s irrelevant if it’s nationalised or private.
You could be angry at the government for lack of planning, lack of approval for nuclear power, and lack of green energy development. But there’s not much they can do right now.
1) It’d never happen under the Tories
2) Even if it happened under a Corbyn-style Labour government, it’d be a waste of money since the first thing the Tories would do when getting back into power is selling it all off for a pittance to thier ~~owners~~ donors.
Can start by never voting Tory, France capped energy rise to 4%, Westminster under Tory’s allow big business to hammer everyone.
Remember that time when a petition did something? Nah, me neither.
Bit late, decades late actually. Sign all the petitions you want, it won’t make any difference.
Oh yeah, honey, good luck.
You’ll be bathing in your blood in one of your main street before these traitorous sacks of filth would let you have control 🙂
Just out of curiosity, say the government decided to re-nationalise the energy sector. How would that go about? Do they simply just force the owners of these companies to sell them at a value decided by a judge?
They make less than 4% profit and are currently losing money. This is dumb.
It’s a big no from me.
There should be a petition to close down the petition website since it’s completely useless and is a waste of money to run.
All that will happen is the public sector will add 42 layers of bureaucracy to everything they do and whilst a handful of directors will now not be paid millions and pensions with energy companies in them will get shafted, your energy will NOT get cheaper.
https://hbr.org/1992/01/british-privatization-taking-capitalism-to-the-people
A flawless plan. Surely when they see all these signatures, they’ll seize their mates companies!
There are no “energy companies”.
There are energy producers, energy users, energy distribution systems operators, energy transmission system operators, flexibility providers, energy providers, meter operating companies etc.
Which ones should be nationalised?
I can’t believe I used to bother signing these, hasn’t achieved anything ever
“Sign this pointless petition – it will do nothing, but, if you’re a bit thick, it will make you feel like you’re part of some kind of democracy. Then you can clap the nurses and *still* vote Tory again next election.”
Petitions achieve absolutely nothing except waste everyone’s time. You’d be better actually campaigning for an issue instead.
not a fan of this as energy companies need massive innovation
oil companies on the other hand…
Energy Companies is a very vague term, the energy network is built up of tons of steps and companies.
We don’t need nationalisation, we need regulation, better regulation.
Look at the DNO’s in the UK, they operate a monopolised market and OFGEM come down on them like a sack of bricks. They have ridiculously strict rules to follow and by doing this, DNO’s are performing better than they ever have before.
Safety, interruptions, customer services are all at record high performance across the 6 DNO’s.
But the difference is that most people don’t ever interact with these, only for an issue. You pay your service charge in your bills and those for the most part are a tiny % of it.
Instead of nationalising, regulate the energy generators, those are the companies making record profits from the events of this year.
This government can barely keep itself together, nationalisation isn’t going to improve any kind of of services you currently receive.
Can see this one really getting off the ground lol
Never.
The Government are useless.
We just need a government with a couple of engineers in it instead of lawyers, journalists and economists.
The energy system needs strategic technical thinking
Right, and hand over control to our politicians who are so competent and effective at running the country
HK has an interesting solution to some of the problems caused by privatised electricity companies without resorting to nationalisation.
https://www.gov.hk/en/residents/environment/sustainable/energy/schemeofca.htm
I don’t think this makes much sense, as I’m pretty sure most of BP/Shells’s extraction is abroad, only dregs are left from the UK’s reserves. In fact nationalising the UK extraction elements may increase profits as they don’t have to worry about the massive decommissioning costs associated with offshore rigs.
Petition to have petitions on that site taken seriously
This is the equivalent of those 5000 likes and this thing will happen Facebook posts
I’m starting to believe all you lot are fucking bots. It’s the same comments the same jokes and the same “hurr Durr isn’t life shit?” Sarcasm that would make a chuckle brother wince.
When exactly are we going to take to the streets. How far are we willing to be pushed? How about 24/9/22 London. Weekend before the dontpay pledge date.