Corbyn’s Fading Hopes Of Regaining Labour Whip Dampened By Controversial TV Interview | The former leader has been criticised for an appearance on Al Mayadeen in which he questioned the decision to send military assistance to Ukraine.

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  3. Why does this surprise anyone? He has **always** been strictly **anti-war.** The fact he is pushing for peaceful negotiations rather than the continued provision of weapons is exactly what you should expect.

    e: people seem to have interpreted this as me agreeing with him (I dont), or bringing up examples where he may have supported something that would lead to more conflict, not less. I do not disagree with this, but I think its pretty clear he’s always **believed** his positions are anti-violence.

  4. I liked Corbyn for his domestic policy but Jesus Christ what an absolute tool he is on foreign policy. Unfortunately I’m not surprised to see this. Starting to think I should never have tolerated that side of him and his supporters.

    He calls for a ceasefire, which would simply cement Russian gains (which the Russians would almost certainly launch further offensives from in future, given how seriously they’ve taken “diplomacy” before). He also says the west shouldn’t send weapons, which would deny Ukraine the ability to defend itself.

    Not to mention the idea of pushing for diplomacy is treating both Ukraine and Russia as if they’re equally to blame – basically he’s trying to “both sides” an unprovoked war of aggression.

    Edit – that last bit about “both sides” may have been a bit unfair given he does at least condemn Russia’s invasion. But I stand by everything else. It’s just naive stupidity.

  5. Wow man who has held the same views longer than most people on here have been alive still has the same views. I don’t agree with a lot he says but people act like he’s Dr Evil for just being unwavering in his commitment to his personal ideals. Naive? Extremely. But how can pacifism be malicious?

  6. As much as I dislike Boris and his government, I know for certain Boris responded way better to the Ukraine issue than Corbyn would have done as PM.

  8. I tried to post the interview this morning but had my post autodeleted.

    Ukraine has tried looking at a peace deal. There isn’t one, Russia wanted to wipe Ukraine off the map by taking Kyiv in the first days of the invasion.

    They then stalled and the northern assault collapsed. We may even see Kherson liberated in the next couple of months but I am being careful to not be too optimistic.

    Ukraine needs support to defend its self, Russian soldiers need to go and fuck themselves before a javelin does it for them.

    Remember Bucha. This is the barbarism we are dealing with.

  10. Has anyone here experienced a war? Not a war where you’re bombing a country 5000km away with enhanced precision missiles with no return fire, but an actual invasion. I wonder how many of you would be prepared to fight for your countries when bombs fall on your family house. I wonder how many of you would care about which flag flies over town hall when the road down from your childrens school is turned into a minefield, and the local park is now a mass grave.

    My mum grew up in Iran during the Iraq war, and she has told me many horrific first hand accounts. War is the worst possible thing imaginable. She lost several brothers and many many other family members, and for what? She gained nothing. Her family gained nothing. Only one group of corrupt politicians gained the right to continue benefiting off the Iranian people, as opposed to the another. This is why I have no stomach for war in the slightest.

    I have lived in the UK most of my life, and I love the UK. It has problems, but it has given me everything I have. I would consider myself patriotic. But if tomorrow there was to be an invasion by some great power, I would pack up my family and leave immediately if possible, or surrender. Occupation is favourable to the loss of a mother or brother.

    The longer the war in Ukraine lasts, the worse it is for the Ukrainian people irrespective of win or loss. Every day people lose their mothers and sons. If we care so much, we should enter in fully on the side of Ukraine to help against the aggressor. What we are currently doing is just to benefit our own country, by trapping Russia in a long sustained war in Ukraine.

  12. Careful, the Corbyn cultists will be shitting on your door step tomorrow. Corbyn got a lot right, but on foreign policy he’s absolutely hopeless and untrustworthy.

  14. I can only imagine the alternative history. Prime Minister Corbyn leaving the plane with paper in hand. “After a productive meeting with Putin an agreement has been put in place to guarantee peace in our time.”

    I think I’ve seen how that story ends and I’m not a very good fan of it.

  15. What does he propose we do to bring about this peace? Send a strongly worded letter to Russia? Tell Ukraine to surrender?

  17. So what if Putin wants to invade Britain next? Should we just roll over and surrender, Jeremy? Just give the whole world to Putin then. Stupid way of looking at it

  20. I like Corbyn a lot, but I also never really considered him as a good candidate for Prime Minister, and because I’m not part of a “save big dog” cult, I can actually say that.

    People wonder why Corbyn got so popular though? Well it was quite simple; he embodied the deep-rooted socialist values the Labour party was meant to be built on, and by ascending him to the leader of the party, we were telling the party what mattered to us as a party for the working man.

    Too bad nothing constructive was done by the party following Corbyn’s ousting. Corbyn might have been a poor candidate for PM passively, but Starmer’s not exactly a stark upgrade. We could only hope a snap election is called and he puts together a mandate before he turns full Tory, or we really have let the party system amalgamate beyond repair.

  22. Russia was pushing to Kyiv, with the blatant goal of toppling a democratically elected leader and replacing him with a puppet, like what they’ve been doing in the Donbas, Kherson, etc. Thanks to Ukrainian resolve and Western arms, Russia had to rethink its aims and focus on just seizing parts of the country rather than all of it.

    If Corbyn had his way, Ukraine would be another Belarus right now. Absolute moron.

  23. Totally agree with Corbyn. Ukraine has nothing to do with this country and we should not be getting involved. The cost of living crisis is what we should be focusing on not foreign wars. No magic money tree for the poor apparently but billions to waste on military weapons and assistance. I wonder how different opinion would be if it were the US invading Venezuela for example?

  24. He’s right, as usual. The Reddit intelligentsia however are convinced that throwing guns at a warzone somehow stops violence.

  25. [Jeremy Corbyn urges west to stop arming Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/02/jeremy-corbyn-urges-west-to-stop-arming-ukraine)

    I saw this on Twitter. I think the title is extremely misleading. At best, Corbyn possibly suggests that the west should stop its armament policy in the conventional sense. One gets the impression from the title that he wants to immediately stop arming Ukraine so that it will capitulate under the shadow of the Russian incursion. But nowhere in the article does Corbyn ever say, directly, that the west ought to terminate its existing policy in that manner. What Corbyn does say is that the weapons policy isn’t a solution to ending the war, which will hurt all sides. Notice the alternative: he wants effective diplomacy and negotiations between Russia and the west to create a ceasefire — so that the west won’t have to keep prolonging the war. It’s in this sense that I highly suspect Corbyn meant when he spoke in favor of “peace.” A better title would be “Jeremy Corbyn suggests diplomacy, not arms, will help Ukraine.”

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