>At a press briefing on Tuesday, a commission spokesperson said: “We continue to recognise the mutual benefit and cooperation in science, research and innovation, nuclear research and space. However, it’s important to recall the political context.
>“There are serious difficulties in the implementation of the withdrawal agreement and the trade and cooperation agreement. **The TCA provides neither for a specific obligation for the EU to associate the UK to union programmes at this point in time, nor for a precise deadline to do so.** We look forward to a prompt resolution.”
Having read the relevant parts of the TCA, I believe the commission rep is correct here.
“Our universities follow a for-profit business model” declared Ralph Nickleby, chief financial strategist at the Consortium of British Universities. “We get a large share of our money by advertising in the EU to attract paying students, by setting up professional companies to apply for EU grants on behalf of our scientists, and also by aggressively recruiting ERG grant holders from EU countries. What will happen to us if we are cut from the EU cash cow? Oh my! Oh dear!” concluded Mister Nickleby.
Britain’s move received the backing of the League of European Research Universities (LERU), a Belgium-based network of 23 leading universities — including four in the U.K.
“The obsessive stubbornness of [Commission President] Ursula von der Leyen has really caused this action,” said LERU’s Secretary-General Kurt Deketelaere. “So, well done U.K. government, whoever that may be presently, if they go ahead with this. This politicization of research policy really has to end, and fast.”
Repost for your own crappy post that didn’t do well yesterday. OP is just a clown.
British moaners. Lol
Brexit is brexit.
Keep your for profit education. I hope you get absolutely zilch from Europe.
The central question is whether there was an agreement to admit the United Kingdom to associate status with the Horizon program. A quick read of the TCA tells you there was no such agreement, but a draft protocol which was subject to reaching association agreement with the EU. Anyone familiar with the association agreements the EU has reached a respect to Horizon will tell you that most of them condition dispute resolution on the ECJ’s ultimate jurisdiction. Once you realize that, it’s pretty obvious why there was no final agreement in the TCA on membership of Horizon, associate or otherwise – the Brexiters would’ve thrown their toys out of the pram at any such clause. Yes, it’s Frost, Johnson and the Brexiters that evaded a binding Horizon association agreement when they could have got one – the terms are pretty standard…and who decided the UK should immediately start violating the agreements it has, without considering the impact on the new ones it aspired to.
But the result of this simple, the UK’s membership of Horizon was yet to be agreed when the binding TCA was agreed to ‘get Brexit Done™!” – and an unagreed, unfinalised, draft agreement isn’t binding on anyone. Perhaps the UK government should have considered that when it stated flagrantly and ostentatiously reneging on the binding agreements it had entered with the EU.
> Asked about the move, a spokesperson for the European Commission said: “The commission takes note of the UK’s request for consultation and will follow up on this in line with the applicable rules, as set out in the trade and cooperation agreement.”
Sounds reasonable.
Again, just going to leave [this here](https://earma.org/news/earma-signs-open-letter-uk-association-horizon-europe/) to let people know that European researchers themselves are eager to collaborate with British scientists on global challenges and wish this wasn’t treated as a political football. Just in case that was in any question.
I’m sure that even the more sober members of the EU Commission regard this more of a sad necessity than something to gloat over, like some people on here are doing. Maybe you enjoy sticking it to the Brits you hold such contempt for, whether they voted for Brexit or not, and hope they’ll all suffer as a result. But we’ll all be suffering when scientific progress is stifled and we fail to collectively develop solutions to global challenges. Maybe that’s worth it in your eyes as long as Brits get the larger portion of the suffering, but I think that says a great deal about your character.
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>At a press briefing on Tuesday, a commission spokesperson said: “We continue to recognise the mutual benefit and cooperation in science, research and innovation, nuclear research and space. However, it’s important to recall the political context.
>“There are serious difficulties in the implementation of the withdrawal agreement and the trade and cooperation agreement. **The TCA provides neither for a specific obligation for the EU to associate the UK to union programmes at this point in time, nor for a precise deadline to do so.** We look forward to a prompt resolution.”
Having read the relevant parts of the TCA, I believe the commission rep is correct here.
“Our universities follow a for-profit business model” declared Ralph Nickleby, chief financial strategist at the Consortium of British Universities. “We get a large share of our money by advertising in the EU to attract paying students, by setting up professional companies to apply for EU grants on behalf of our scientists, and also by aggressively recruiting ERG grant holders from EU countries. What will happen to us if we are cut from the EU cash cow? Oh my! Oh dear!” concluded Mister Nickleby.
Brexit is Brexit.
Reported [elsewhere ](https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-liz-truss-opens-new-brexit-front-over-delays-to-access-eu-science-programs-northern-ireland/) basically all European scientists are against the politicisation of science as Europeans will all loose out e g. new disease treatments, new ways to improve renewables and their grids, new more environmentally friendly ways to manufacture etc. etc.
Britain’s move received the backing of the League of European Research Universities (LERU), a Belgium-based network of 23 leading universities — including four in the U.K.
“The obsessive stubbornness of [Commission President] Ursula von der Leyen has really caused this action,” said LERU’s Secretary-General Kurt Deketelaere. “So, well done U.K. government, whoever that may be presently, if they go ahead with this. This politicization of research policy really has to end, and fast.”
Repost for your own crappy post that didn’t do well yesterday. OP is just a clown.
British moaners. Lol
Brexit is brexit.
Keep your for profit education. I hope you get absolutely zilch from Europe.
The central question is whether there was an agreement to admit the United Kingdom to associate status with the Horizon program. A quick read of the TCA tells you there was no such agreement, but a draft protocol which was subject to reaching association agreement with the EU. Anyone familiar with the association agreements the EU has reached a respect to Horizon will tell you that most of them condition dispute resolution on the ECJ’s ultimate jurisdiction. Once you realize that, it’s pretty obvious why there was no final agreement in the TCA on membership of Horizon, associate or otherwise – the Brexiters would’ve thrown their toys out of the pram at any such clause. Yes, it’s Frost, Johnson and the Brexiters that evaded a binding Horizon association agreement when they could have got one – the terms are pretty standard…and who decided the UK should immediately start violating the agreements it has, without considering the impact on the new ones it aspired to.
But the result of this simple, the UK’s membership of Horizon was yet to be agreed when the binding TCA was agreed to ‘get Brexit Done™!” – and an unagreed, unfinalised, draft agreement isn’t binding on anyone. Perhaps the UK government should have considered that when it stated flagrantly and ostentatiously reneging on the binding agreements it had entered with the EU.
> Asked about the move, a spokesperson for the European Commission said: “The commission takes note of the UK’s request for consultation and will follow up on this in line with the applicable rules, as set out in the trade and cooperation agreement.”
Sounds reasonable.
Again, just going to leave [this here](https://earma.org/news/earma-signs-open-letter-uk-association-horizon-europe/) to let people know that European researchers themselves are eager to collaborate with British scientists on global challenges and wish this wasn’t treated as a political football. Just in case that was in any question.
I’m sure that even the more sober members of the EU Commission regard this more of a sad necessity than something to gloat over, like some people on here are doing. Maybe you enjoy sticking it to the Brits you hold such contempt for, whether they voted for Brexit or not, and hope they’ll all suffer as a result. But we’ll all be suffering when scientific progress is stifled and we fail to collectively develop solutions to global challenges. Maybe that’s worth it in your eyes as long as Brits get the larger portion of the suffering, but I think that says a great deal about your character.