I’m sorry, what the fuck was that black shadow on his left at the very start?
Don’t think anyone is going to sit through a 9 minute video of a lad standing in a field
So he could tarmac every field and cut down all the trees and have the exact same +co2 stats according to Government…
Amature Ireland.
Thank you John, this was the perfect video for my wake n bake.
He makes some good points, very little support from the government, but this is all one sided. Methane is way worse for climate change than CO2. Just because industry emits methane too doesn’t mean agriculture shouldn’t reduce emissions.
1. Understand and inform the farming community at large of the current situation and developments as they happen
2. Advocate for our private property rights, taking legal action as necessary
3. Work with stakeholders to provide a rational and fair framework in which carbon credits can be monetised by the people who own the property that removes carbon and carbon equivalents from the atmosphere
4. Help farmers to develop markets and secure buyers for their carbon credits, both voluntary and offset credits
I don’t see a lot of “carbon removing” going on there.
This is such an important and well made video.
The idea that carbon credits are not being awarded for positive environmental actions is absolutely bonkers. Especially when you see how quickly governmant are to give tax credits to vulture funds on property.
Environmental schemes are constantly oversubscribed and the funding is often delayed for the normal working farmer and they claim we should be cutting herd size and moving into other enterprises. Like what?
Why not put in a stipulation to data centres and other large scale emmiters to pay farmers for carbon credits in the form of planting tress or erecting wind turbines and solar panels?
His carbon estimates are very much favouring his point of view.
I think if the forest and grass does realistically sequester more carbon than the cattle produces then it should be acknowledged. However I’m pretty certain that most of the carbon sequestered by grass on the farm probably ends up being eaten as grass or silage by the cows and comes back out as carbon and methane again – so it’s impact is probably actually negligible so I doubt that portion of his calculations can be truly environmentally neutral.
The real bogeyman is the methane, which takes over 100 years to break down in the atmosphere. So the real impact of that cannot be understated regardless of its source, and we as a country probably get better at finding ways to capture for commercial purposes or burning off.
John Hourigan is outstanding in his field.
Carbon footprints are a marketing ploy invented by the major oil companies in the early 2000s intended to shift responsibility from corporations to individuals. Although some of this lads statistics are dubious the broad point he makes are valid. There seems to be very little in terms of an evidence based approach to actually calculating the footprints because the data points available are spurious at best.
Fair play. But whys he standing out in the pissing rain?
Bring on huge methane collecting, glass domes for cows.
People keep mentioning methane… yes it is significantly far worse than Co2 but there are trials ongoing at the moment with feed additives that have shown that it is possible to remove 80% of methene emmisions that an animal produces by adding a product that is derived from seaweed. Which we have in abundance of the coasts of Ireland.
People also give out about our large tractors. Majority of farmers in the country have tractors with anywhere from 3.2 litre engines to 4.5 litre engines, there are 80,000 registered tractors being used in the country by farmers of which the majority also have to meet emisson ratings in place by the E.U…
There are 2.2 million vehicles registered in the country… if you take all the 4×4 variants (toyota,volkswagaon, ford,volvo, land rover,range rover, skoda, porchse,bmw, mercedes, etc etc with 2.5 litre+ diesal engines driving around the motorways and dropping the kids to school… there are far more of these than actual tractors working on farms producing the food. Q
I have had several debates on here about this subject with people. Its not to convince or say that the industry is with out problems, it is … we know it, we are working on solutions to meet the reductions of our greenhouse gases… but lets say for instance… the new childrens hospital… how much greenhouse gases has that project created already, and will create forever more based on its location alone. With thousands of people having to travel every single day to inner city dublin, all those lorries, trucks and vans with building supplies sitting in traffic, day in day out… forever more. That is just one example of a project in this country that doesn’t come in to the equation. Not having a go at the hospital itself, its location is completely wrong.
Then we talk about the people who have given us our figures for our production of GHG’s…. the same people who spent 25 years in talks with Brazil to ensure that they would buy our cars and engineered products and we will buy their beef… has anybody gone on Google maps lately… the Amazon rainforest in Brazil is gone, it is actually gone. There are strips of it left, most of the oxygen that the Amazon creates is used up by the rain forest itself but it is a major player in creating new Ozone and helping the North Atlantic Drift. Which determines basically all of our weather, aside from the high oressure spells that drift up from North Africa and Spain. One field in brazil can measure up to 90 hecteres, Mary Mcguinness owns the largest field in Ireland and it comes in around that figure. There isnt any other coming close to it. That is one field here… there are thousands and thousands of them in brazil, which were once Amazonian forests. You might say thats irrelavent to Ireland but when you talk about climate change, it is an world issue, not just an Irish Issue. We produce high quality traceable products in ireland comapred to 0 traceability in Brazil… literally 0. They have no regulations for feed or medicines. We have to jumo through E.U hoops every year with inspections to make sure we are doing everything to their standards… but they have no problem importing cheap, subpar beef from Brazil once they buy our cars. That is hypocrisy manifest. This problem is far bigger than looking at irish farms and saying we are killing the world and people need to start waking up and realising what is going on around them.
Excellent video which explains why there’s so much apprehension around newly set climate goals.
Companies are able to buy their carbon footprint to become Carbon Neutral ( F1 is doing this for example ) but farmers aren’t allowed to work as carbon neutral or negative?
Any idea when this video is from? Was curious on what he was saying so searched for more info and found this article that quotes Prof Gary Lanigan saying basically the opposite unless I’m missing something?
And you wonder why we have so little forest cover in the country, land owners are not getting the benefits out of them like they should from the government
Omw reddit video player is awful
The focus on farming is a result of the oil / gas lobby. We need to stop burning fossil fuels… end of story, stop purchasing new cars, electric or otherwise until a renewable source of energy is the primary source . Good man John. Keep up your good work!!
Yeah but those people have their head up their own hole breathing their own methane and refuse to acceot data thats available to everybody. Ignorance is bliss.
Wait, so they don’t have fart statistics? My day is ruined and dissapointment is immeasurable
I’m not getting it.
An argument for CO2 removal via your trees makes sense if you think they are taking this into account for the farmer 3 fields over and treating you unfairly.
Otherwise it sounds like you’ve been told ‘you must control your emissions’ and you’re dodging your responsibilities.
Cattle is environmentally unsubstainable and animal farming is an ethical disaster to boot.
With all the good weather and he chose a day when it’s pissing rain 🙄
Not getting credit for forestry is bonkers. If true.
He has a point, if big enterprises can buy carbon offsets, farmers should be entitled to have their true carbon footprint monitored.
If we want to measure the methane output, that’s fair and sensible given it’s environmental impact. Bit that’s not what the gov is doing here, it’s unfair to treat them this way and let large corporations profit over this carbon offset nonsense.
There is a ghost dog running past the trees😳
If those gaseous shower of yak balls in the Dáil were culled the methane levels would decrease hugely
CO2 is a global phenomenon. The figures the government want take into account the net effect but we also have to consider the whole world. Basically, the plants in Ireland and other countries need to take in CO2 made from afar like say from China.
This, ladies and gents, is a prime example of cherrypicking…
I watched a really great video that explains this topic, when numbers about water usage are quoted for beef farming, they do seem to forget that the water does come back get recycled back out – when they say ‘beef farming uses up 1/3 of the total grain produced’ most of that is inedible, etc etc. Avocado farming is more detrimental to the environment than beef farming. I’ll try link if anyone is interested.
But the trees and grasslands would remove carbon anyway if he wasn’t producing any, so it’s still higher overall as it’s going from removing carbon to carbon neutral..? Plus if it wasn’t farmed it would probably be more wild and more trees etc that would end up removing even more carbon dioxide..
What runs past his right shoulder 6:05 to 6:03 remaining. Is it a black fox?
Brilliant! Great job you are doing there! Keep it up because the nonsense that you are having to deal with needs to be removed! You are a carbon neutral farm, doing a great job to keep everyone fed and keeping the countryside beautiful.
He is so so right. It is a shame Irish farming is bad at PR, because they are being robbed.
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I’m sorry, what the fuck was that black shadow on his left at the very start?
Don’t think anyone is going to sit through a 9 minute video of a lad standing in a field
So he could tarmac every field and cut down all the trees and have the exact same +co2 stats according to Government…
Amature Ireland.
Thank you John, this was the perfect video for my wake n bake.
He makes some good points, very little support from the government, but this is all one sided. Methane is way worse for climate change than CO2. Just because industry emits methane too doesn’t mean agriculture shouldn’t reduce emissions.
Eamon Ryan has left the chat..
[Carbon Removals Action Group](https://www.cragireland.com/)? Here are their goals-
>Our goals are simple:
1. Understand and inform the farming community at large of the current situation and developments as they happen
2. Advocate for our private property rights, taking legal action as necessary
3. Work with stakeholders to provide a rational and fair framework in which carbon credits can be monetised by the people who own the property that removes carbon and carbon equivalents from the atmosphere
4. Help farmers to develop markets and secure buyers for their carbon credits, both voluntary and offset credits
I don’t see a lot of “carbon removing” going on there.
This is such an important and well made video.
The idea that carbon credits are not being awarded for positive environmental actions is absolutely bonkers. Especially when you see how quickly governmant are to give tax credits to vulture funds on property.
Environmental schemes are constantly oversubscribed and the funding is often delayed for the normal working farmer and they claim we should be cutting herd size and moving into other enterprises. Like what?
Why not put in a stipulation to data centres and other large scale emmiters to pay farmers for carbon credits in the form of planting tress or erecting wind turbines and solar panels?
His carbon estimates are very much favouring his point of view.
I think if the forest and grass does realistically sequester more carbon than the cattle produces then it should be acknowledged. However I’m pretty certain that most of the carbon sequestered by grass on the farm probably ends up being eaten as grass or silage by the cows and comes back out as carbon and methane again – so it’s impact is probably actually negligible so I doubt that portion of his calculations can be truly environmentally neutral.
The real bogeyman is the methane, which takes over 100 years to break down in the atmosphere. So the real impact of that cannot be understated regardless of its source, and we as a country probably get better at finding ways to capture for commercial purposes or burning off.
John Hourigan is outstanding in his field.
Carbon footprints are a marketing ploy invented by the major oil companies in the early 2000s intended to shift responsibility from corporations to individuals. Although some of this lads statistics are dubious the broad point he makes are valid. There seems to be very little in terms of an evidence based approach to actually calculating the footprints because the data points available are spurious at best.
Fair play. But whys he standing out in the pissing rain?
Bring on huge methane collecting, glass domes for cows.
People keep mentioning methane… yes it is significantly far worse than Co2 but there are trials ongoing at the moment with feed additives that have shown that it is possible to remove 80% of methene emmisions that an animal produces by adding a product that is derived from seaweed. Which we have in abundance of the coasts of Ireland.
People also give out about our large tractors. Majority of farmers in the country have tractors with anywhere from 3.2 litre engines to 4.5 litre engines, there are 80,000 registered tractors being used in the country by farmers of which the majority also have to meet emisson ratings in place by the E.U…
There are 2.2 million vehicles registered in the country… if you take all the 4×4 variants (toyota,volkswagaon, ford,volvo, land rover,range rover, skoda, porchse,bmw, mercedes, etc etc with 2.5 litre+ diesal engines driving around the motorways and dropping the kids to school… there are far more of these than actual tractors working on farms producing the food. Q
I have had several debates on here about this subject with people. Its not to convince or say that the industry is with out problems, it is … we know it, we are working on solutions to meet the reductions of our greenhouse gases… but lets say for instance… the new childrens hospital… how much greenhouse gases has that project created already, and will create forever more based on its location alone. With thousands of people having to travel every single day to inner city dublin, all those lorries, trucks and vans with building supplies sitting in traffic, day in day out… forever more. That is just one example of a project in this country that doesn’t come in to the equation. Not having a go at the hospital itself, its location is completely wrong.
Then we talk about the people who have given us our figures for our production of GHG’s…. the same people who spent 25 years in talks with Brazil to ensure that they would buy our cars and engineered products and we will buy their beef… has anybody gone on Google maps lately… the Amazon rainforest in Brazil is gone, it is actually gone. There are strips of it left, most of the oxygen that the Amazon creates is used up by the rain forest itself but it is a major player in creating new Ozone and helping the North Atlantic Drift. Which determines basically all of our weather, aside from the high oressure spells that drift up from North Africa and Spain. One field in brazil can measure up to 90 hecteres, Mary Mcguinness owns the largest field in Ireland and it comes in around that figure. There isnt any other coming close to it. That is one field here… there are thousands and thousands of them in brazil, which were once Amazonian forests. You might say thats irrelavent to Ireland but when you talk about climate change, it is an world issue, not just an Irish Issue. We produce high quality traceable products in ireland comapred to 0 traceability in Brazil… literally 0. They have no regulations for feed or medicines. We have to jumo through E.U hoops every year with inspections to make sure we are doing everything to their standards… but they have no problem importing cheap, subpar beef from Brazil once they buy our cars. That is hypocrisy manifest. This problem is far bigger than looking at irish farms and saying we are killing the world and people need to start waking up and realising what is going on around them.
Excellent video which explains why there’s so much apprehension around newly set climate goals.
Companies are able to buy their carbon footprint to become Carbon Neutral ( F1 is doing this for example ) but farmers aren’t allowed to work as carbon neutral or negative?
Any idea when this video is from? Was curious on what he was saying so searched for more info and found this article that quotes Prof Gary Lanigan saying basically the opposite unless I’m missing something?
https://www.farmersjournal.ie/irish-grasslands-emit-more-carbon-than-they-sequester-teagasc-677973
I just get a black screen?
And you wonder why we have so little forest cover in the country, land owners are not getting the benefits out of them like they should from the government
Omw reddit video player is awful
The focus on farming is a result of the oil / gas lobby. We need to stop burning fossil fuels… end of story, stop purchasing new cars, electric or otherwise until a renewable source of energy is the primary source . Good man John. Keep up your good work!!
Yeah but those people have their head up their own hole breathing their own methane and refuse to acceot data thats available to everybody. Ignorance is bliss.
Wait, so they don’t have fart statistics? My day is ruined and dissapointment is immeasurable
I’m not getting it.
An argument for CO2 removal via your trees makes sense if you think they are taking this into account for the farmer 3 fields over and treating you unfairly.
Otherwise it sounds like you’ve been told ‘you must control your emissions’ and you’re dodging your responsibilities.
Cattle is environmentally unsubstainable and animal farming is an ethical disaster to boot.
With all the good weather and he chose a day when it’s pissing rain 🙄
Not getting credit for forestry is bonkers. If true.
He has a point, if big enterprises can buy carbon offsets, farmers should be entitled to have their true carbon footprint monitored.
If we want to measure the methane output, that’s fair and sensible given it’s environmental impact. Bit that’s not what the gov is doing here, it’s unfair to treat them this way and let large corporations profit over this carbon offset nonsense.
There is a ghost dog running past the trees😳
If those gaseous shower of yak balls in the Dáil were culled the methane levels would decrease hugely
CO2 is a global phenomenon. The figures the government want take into account the net effect but we also have to consider the whole world. Basically, the plants in Ireland and other countries need to take in CO2 made from afar like say from China.
This, ladies and gents, is a prime example of cherrypicking…
I watched a really great video that explains this topic, when numbers about water usage are quoted for beef farming, they do seem to forget that the water does come back get recycled back out – when they say ‘beef farming uses up 1/3 of the total grain produced’ most of that is inedible, etc etc. Avocado farming is more detrimental to the environment than beef farming. I’ll try link if anyone is interested.
For whoever is downvoting, go for it lol https://youtu.be/sGG-A80Tl5g
Was that a 🐕
But the trees and grasslands would remove carbon anyway if he wasn’t producing any, so it’s still higher overall as it’s going from removing carbon to carbon neutral..? Plus if it wasn’t farmed it would probably be more wild and more trees etc that would end up removing even more carbon dioxide..
What runs past his right shoulder 6:05 to 6:03 remaining. Is it a black fox?
Brilliant! Great job you are doing there! Keep it up because the nonsense that you are having to deal with needs to be removed! You are a carbon neutral farm, doing a great job to keep everyone fed and keeping the countryside beautiful.
He is so so right. It is a shame Irish farming is bad at PR, because they are being robbed.