If I remember, maybe this sub doesn’t allow posting a full text archive links? Anyway I will try, in a new comment to this comment, and see what happens:
Homeopathy can be often confused with using natural medicines. I would guess most people do not know the official definition of it.
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This reminds me that French social security was paying for homeopathy up until January of that year. This scam went on for far too long…
a woman i knew died from breast cancer because she refused to start chemotherapy and relied on homeopathic trash to heal her.
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The placebo effect is real and powerful.
Because idiots can’t understand that they’re idiots.
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Because it works.
Mom rubbing your belly as a child made the aches go away. So the same as homeopathy.
> The Nazis embraced homeopathy as part of their darkly motivated pursuit of a robust German Volk. A homeopath was chosen to lead the working group for the Nazi party’s health policy concept, Neue Deutsche Heilkunde (New German Medicine), and in 1937 Deputy Führer Rudolf Hess addressed the 12th International Homeopathic Congress in Berlin. After the war, homeopathy was torn between a supportive West and a disapproving East, but it enjoyed a renaissance in the 1970s as it captured the imagination of anti-establishment youth.
I know a doctor who loves it. What it does is to give his hypochondriac patients someone else’s time to waste and in my country they have to waste their own money on it.
He has a whole “mysterious ways of the universe” speech where he can sell just about any fool on leaving him alone and going all in on this crap.
The key is that they want attention mixed with “science” rules that they can understand. The whole homeopathy thing has these in spades. And who knows, placebo effect?
Fun fact: There’s homeopathic stuff that’s supposed to help against gullibility. If you needed any more proof that homeopathy doesn’t work.
The first time I went to a GP in Germany, there were crystals and rugs in his office. I was so thrown.
I suspect it’s partly because health insurance companies often cover it which kind of subtly legitimizes homeopathy.
Partly it’s because of a lack of education about scientific methods (keyword: anecdotal evidence and „question everything”).
Partly it’s because actual medicine always has a chance of side effects and people don’t like a solution that includes a new problem so they go for something that promises to have no side effects.
And partly for some more reasons that won’t come to my tired mind.
It’s a lot like bottled water, where they sell you tap water for a premium, so why not one up the scam and sell magic healing water?
To be factual, it works as good as a placebo does.
Now that everyone knows it is a placebo it will work less well I suppose.
Because placebo is effective.
Idiots gonna idiot. What else can I say.
The fact that health insurance covers this crap is the tragic thing here.
Because so many germans are fucking stupid. That’s why germany also has so many antivaxxers and anti-covid protests
Both of my parents believe in homeopathy. A fairly healthy person who is lucky to not need serious treatments can survive on the placebo effect during their entir life. Hence, homeopathy, or more precisely, the lack of treatment seem to just work.
They also have the mentality of natural = good, anything non-natural or human engineered = toxic. Homeopathy is sold as natural remedy, so to them, it means not putting toxic products in their body. Therefore, homeopathy is the right option. The natural one. The non-toxic one.
There is obviously anecdotal stories from friends, families or even for themselves. But it’s clear this is how it works everytime: you have been previously been given a prescription for a remedy that matches you as a person. When you fall ill the next time, you will naturally start on that remedy. Start with the smaller dosage (5CH) then gradually make your way up to 10,15,30CH. That takes a few days. When it doesn’t work and the symptoms persist, you will go for a consultation, and be given a different remedy that works better for you now. Then you started the same process. Basically, you are giving your body time to heal itself. In most cases, you only need a week or 2 to heal. So whatever remedy you were given last will be the one that worked. Then you can tell everyone around you “omg! Remedy X was such a good recommendation, it worked like a charm on me! It healed me in only a few days after taking it!”. The more you live on homeopathy, the more anecdotal proof you gather throughout your experiences.
I do not believe in it even if I was brought up with it. But I can see the benefits of it for fairly healthy people, as in, just letting your immune system do its job. I haven’t been prescribed anything and haven’t gone to the doctor for over 14 years now. Evertime I feel ill, I just stay in bed and let it heal itself. Usually takes a few days, sometime a week, never more than 2. Whereas the majority of people would seek to get the latest antibiotics ASAP. I basically act as if I was still on homeopathy, without the visit to the GP or taking pills. But I did remote consultations when I feel my symptoms are unusual for peace of mind.
Obviously, homeopathy can be dangerous. If you only swear by it, but you need immediate treatments, one could just fall for the idea that homeopathy will be able to heal them because it has done so their entire life.
I know my mom would likely refuse other treatments if she gets cancer. She has that view of the medical world as being evil and untrustworthy, manipulated by big pharmaceutical companies, profiting on people’s illnesses. She isn’t entirely wrong, but she tends to forget that companies behind her homeopathy are in it for the money too, meaning they need to mislead her as much as they can.
In Germany homeopathy and natural medicine are often lumped together under the term homeopathy, so I a lot of Germans think it means just natural.
This is also something that baffled me when I moved to Paris. I was really shocked how popular homeopathic treatments seemed to be, alongside other fad-ish things (and occasionally borderline snake oil) like “detoxes”, CBD, and superfoods.
Some people use homeopathy to “treat” their pets too, which makes me furious.
Those who have never tried homeopathy themselves always find it easy to criticize. It is a system that was developed (by a doctor) in Germany + like the NHS in Britain, there are German sceptics with a vested interest in denigrating anything that competes with their public-funded medicine… they are also against TCM (Chinese medicine) + herbal medicine generally.
Homeopathy is not meant to be a cure-all + does not work simply by believing in it. Remedies must be accurately selected. That it has stood the test of time is proof that it does work.
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If I remember, maybe this sub doesn’t allow posting a full text archive links? Anyway I will try, in a new comment to this comment, and see what happens:
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https://youtu.be/DHVVKAKWXcg
Get in the fucking sack.
Homeopathy can be often confused with using natural medicines. I would guess most people do not know the official definition of it.
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This reminds me that French social security was paying for homeopathy up until January of that year. This scam went on for far too long…
a woman i knew died from breast cancer because she refused to start chemotherapy and relied on homeopathic trash to heal her.
[deleted]
The placebo effect is real and powerful.
Because idiots can’t understand that they’re idiots.
[deleted]
Because it works.
Mom rubbing your belly as a child made the aches go away. So the same as homeopathy.
> The Nazis embraced homeopathy as part of their darkly motivated pursuit of a robust German Volk. A homeopath was chosen to lead the working group for the Nazi party’s health policy concept, Neue Deutsche Heilkunde (New German Medicine), and in 1937 Deputy Führer Rudolf Hess addressed the 12th International Homeopathic Congress in Berlin. After the war, homeopathy was torn between a supportive West and a disapproving East, but it enjoyed a renaissance in the 1970s as it captured the imagination of anti-establishment youth.
I know a doctor who loves it. What it does is to give his hypochondriac patients someone else’s time to waste and in my country they have to waste their own money on it.
He has a whole “mysterious ways of the universe” speech where he can sell just about any fool on leaving him alone and going all in on this crap.
The key is that they want attention mixed with “science” rules that they can understand. The whole homeopathy thing has these in spades. And who knows, placebo effect?
Fun fact: There’s homeopathic stuff that’s supposed to help against gullibility. If you needed any more proof that homeopathy doesn’t work.
The first time I went to a GP in Germany, there were crystals and rugs in his office. I was so thrown.
I suspect it’s partly because health insurance companies often cover it which kind of subtly legitimizes homeopathy.
Partly it’s because of a lack of education about scientific methods (keyword: anecdotal evidence and „question everything”).
Partly it’s because actual medicine always has a chance of side effects and people don’t like a solution that includes a new problem so they go for something that promises to have no side effects.
And partly for some more reasons that won’t come to my tired mind.
It’s a lot like bottled water, where they sell you tap water for a premium, so why not one up the scam and sell magic healing water?
Also: it has what plants crave.
Relevant Mitchell and Webb: [Homeopathic A&E](https://youtu.be/HMGIbOGu8q0)
To be factual, it works as good as a placebo does.
Now that everyone knows it is a placebo it will work less well I suppose.
Because placebo is effective.
Idiots gonna idiot. What else can I say.
The fact that health insurance covers this crap is the tragic thing here.
Because so many germans are fucking stupid. That’s why germany also has so many antivaxxers and anti-covid protests
Both of my parents believe in homeopathy. A fairly healthy person who is lucky to not need serious treatments can survive on the placebo effect during their entir life. Hence, homeopathy, or more precisely, the lack of treatment seem to just work.
They also have the mentality of natural = good, anything non-natural or human engineered = toxic. Homeopathy is sold as natural remedy, so to them, it means not putting toxic products in their body. Therefore, homeopathy is the right option. The natural one. The non-toxic one.
There is obviously anecdotal stories from friends, families or even for themselves. But it’s clear this is how it works everytime: you have been previously been given a prescription for a remedy that matches you as a person. When you fall ill the next time, you will naturally start on that remedy. Start with the smaller dosage (5CH) then gradually make your way up to 10,15,30CH. That takes a few days. When it doesn’t work and the symptoms persist, you will go for a consultation, and be given a different remedy that works better for you now. Then you started the same process. Basically, you are giving your body time to heal itself. In most cases, you only need a week or 2 to heal. So whatever remedy you were given last will be the one that worked. Then you can tell everyone around you “omg! Remedy X was such a good recommendation, it worked like a charm on me! It healed me in only a few days after taking it!”. The more you live on homeopathy, the more anecdotal proof you gather throughout your experiences.
I do not believe in it even if I was brought up with it. But I can see the benefits of it for fairly healthy people, as in, just letting your immune system do its job. I haven’t been prescribed anything and haven’t gone to the doctor for over 14 years now. Evertime I feel ill, I just stay in bed and let it heal itself. Usually takes a few days, sometime a week, never more than 2. Whereas the majority of people would seek to get the latest antibiotics ASAP. I basically act as if I was still on homeopathy, without the visit to the GP or taking pills. But I did remote consultations when I feel my symptoms are unusual for peace of mind.
Obviously, homeopathy can be dangerous. If you only swear by it, but you need immediate treatments, one could just fall for the idea that homeopathy will be able to heal them because it has done so their entire life.
I know my mom would likely refuse other treatments if she gets cancer. She has that view of the medical world as being evil and untrustworthy, manipulated by big pharmaceutical companies, profiting on people’s illnesses. She isn’t entirely wrong, but she tends to forget that companies behind her homeopathy are in it for the money too, meaning they need to mislead her as much as they can.
In Germany homeopathy and natural medicine are often lumped together under the term homeopathy, so I a lot of Germans think it means just natural.
This is also something that baffled me when I moved to Paris. I was really shocked how popular homeopathic treatments seemed to be, alongside other fad-ish things (and occasionally borderline snake oil) like “detoxes”, CBD, and superfoods.
Some people use homeopathy to “treat” their pets too, which makes me furious.
Those who have never tried homeopathy themselves always find it easy to criticize. It is a system that was developed (by a doctor) in Germany + like the NHS in Britain, there are German sceptics with a vested interest in denigrating anything that competes with their public-funded medicine… they are also against TCM (Chinese medicine) + herbal medicine generally.
Homeopathy is not meant to be a cure-all + does not work simply by believing in it. Remedies must be accurately selected. That it has stood the test of time is proof that it does work.