> Senior Fine Gael figures do not think the payment should be increased due to high demand for workers across several sectors.
> There is a belief in the party that increasing jobseeker’s allowance will disincentivise unemployed people to take up jobs in the labour market.
In other words, make life more unbearable for people so they’ll be forced to accept shittier jobs.
And some people wonder why Fine Gael is so reviled.
If the pay and working conditions of a full time job can’t compete with the fucking dole, that job is not viable.
>A Fine Gael Cabinet minister said it would not make sense to increase jobseeker’s payments at a “time employers are crying out for staff”.
If you are worried about people choosing job seekers allowance over a job, how shit are the conditions or pay ? Employers can pay more of they are crying out for staff, supply and demand, low supply so high demand of workers better pay more, but I have a feeling they don’t belive in supply and demand when it comes to workers pay
A €15 increase in social welfare across the board, people on the dole is a small percentage of that. But again the government are focusing on the dole to gain support for the general public.
Inflation is 10% and the dole is €208; any increase less than an extra €20.80 means the dole is worth less in real terms.
Anyone in full time employment is still going to be better off financially than someone on welfare but if they have any problems with the current situation they should be demanding more for themselves, not less for the people with less already.
I don’t really care one way or the other if they put up the dole a bit, but how about fine gael making good on that “make work pay” slogan they had and giving us a raise on the minimum wage?
If an employer is paying less than the dole for a weeks work then that employer is taking the piss. I can’t wait for a load more of those greedy exploitative assholes to go under. People should be paid a living wage, not the peanuts offered by some employers. And it still hasn’t dawned on them, their shitty pay and conditions are the reason they can’t find staff.
> Coalition on collision course over [insert latest issue]
The only thing that will bring down this coalition is the mandated election on/before March 2025.
This kind of thing would make me vote Fine Gael (i won’t because of housing) as they seem to be the only party that want’s to incentivize working. I’m all for increasing pension, disability and job seekers benefit. Job seekers allowance should be the very bare minimum, or start off on the full rate and be reduced over time.
Grew up in a council estate and saw first hand how it was abused by so many. A lot of my family members have sat on job seekers allowance their entire lives with no intention of ever working.
I’ve never lived on the dole in Ireland. I’ve lived on the dole in Norway. The dole there was higher than here, the overall cost of living was lower, mainly due to lower rents. It was *miserable.*
The drop in earnings from a full time job was a massive chasm, even if the actual value was small. The social stigma was immense. The mental health impacts were horrendous.
Anyone who honestly believes that people just want to stay on the dole forever is seriously out of touch.
Love it or hate it, you need to be able to afford to survive on the dole.
Should be index linked like everything else pay related.
it seems the government were selling everything to the media the last two weeks and now we find there wont be 30% income tax, there won’t be welfare changes, etc. etc. When will the media actually do their jobs and call it out.
What are the odds the coalition will find some random thing to argue over and cause an election, right before Leo is due to take over in December?
Interesting FFG pantomime. The new party is trying out its new image as the mass party for the 21st century. The FF wing tries to hoover up the welfare class and the lower paid, FG try for the business class, large farmers and upper end PAYE and unionists. Add a coat of fake green paint ( watch Beal na Blath on Sunday but use cringe factor 100) and off we go.
The greatest trick FF/FG pulled in the last 20+ years is getting the general public to blame all government expenditure issues on the social welfare recipients.
Irish social media during boom
“Bleedin dossers on the dole stealing my taxes”
Irish social media during financial crisis
“Bleedin skangers on the dole wasting all our taxes and I have to pay USC for their dole”
“Comical amounts of money” to you maybe, bit if you live on 100 euro a week it’s not so funny.
Keep jobseekers as is but increase minimum wage as an incentive to seek work IMO
I mean I would rather see tax cuts for the middle class over this.
Our employment numbers are the best they have been since the boom.
Less then 5% unemployment in a modern western country is excellent. It’s below what you would normally expect in good times.
If a business is crying out for staff then that business simply isn’t trying to compete on the job market. It’s not the doles fault.
The fact that the dole can be a disincentive for people to look for employment is definitely a problem.
Unfortunately, these eejits think the problem is “nObOdY wAnTs tO wOrK aNyMoRe” when the actual problem is that jobs are paying fuck-all. If you want people to work for you instead of getting the dole, pay them properly you tight fuckers.
Imagine if there would a solution to all these problems. Like paying employees more!
Why can’t they release my stamps so I can give myself a raise for 6 months instead of waiting till im unemployed and struggling. An extra 250 on top of my basic 465 net a week factory job would be life changing for families. Considering its my money anyway.
FG thinks people won’t work before the Dole is giving them a few extra €€ a week // “I’d really like to go work at this company, who’s offering me €650 a week, but the dole is now paying €215! I’d be mad to turn that down” Fucks sake this hatred towards the dole is insane
They don’t give a shit until it dawns on them that they need them eg shit employers today. But instead of fixing the problem they double down on the stupidity and bulshit, in the form of “people don’t want to work” etc.
I’m watching on with a huge grin as they suffer and their shitty businesses fold. 🙃
Man if they raised it by 50 pound how on earth could you justify working? Anyone on minimum wage is working 5 days and coming out with only a pissy 100-130 more than people with all their free time. Min wage should be five times. The dole and dole shouldn’t be cut.
If the job seekers gets a 10% increase to cover inflation but not 10% also for the minimum wage workers, that means there’s something wrong in this country.
Can’t wait to get €10 extra on my disability allowance next month and then have random people online say well, it’s better then nothing, go get a job. 😅
Poor people have been demonised and scapegoated for literal centuries.
The idea that “if you’re poor you’re lazy” has been going on since the industrial revolution and before then.
Remember guys: Just like the government is capable of building houses, the government is capable of providing the unemployed with jobs, too (such as e.g. training and employing them to build houses…) – with the ability to remain unemployed on the dole, if they desire.
There are enough unemployed people out there to almost double the size of the construction industry, who could be paid a living wage by the government, to end the fucking housing crisis – after appropriate training.
Part of the social contract is that you must work in order to earn a decent living – if the government doesn’t guarantee decent work, at a decent living wage, to all of the unemployed (with a Job Guarantee program) – then the government is breaking the social contract.
None of this stops the private sector offering better terms/wages, to employ the same people.
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> Senior Fine Gael figures do not think the payment should be increased due to high demand for workers across several sectors.
> There is a belief in the party that increasing jobseeker’s allowance will disincentivise unemployed people to take up jobs in the labour market.
In other words, make life more unbearable for people so they’ll be forced to accept shittier jobs.
And some people wonder why Fine Gael is so reviled.
If the pay and working conditions of a full time job can’t compete with the fucking dole, that job is not viable.
>A Fine Gael Cabinet minister said it would not make sense to increase jobseeker’s payments at a “time employers are crying out for staff”.
If you are worried about people choosing job seekers allowance over a job, how shit are the conditions or pay ? Employers can pay more of they are crying out for staff, supply and demand, low supply so high demand of workers better pay more, but I have a feeling they don’t belive in supply and demand when it comes to workers pay
A €15 increase in social welfare across the board, people on the dole is a small percentage of that. But again the government are focusing on the dole to gain support for the general public.
Inflation is 10% and the dole is €208; any increase less than an extra €20.80 means the dole is worth less in real terms.
Anyone in full time employment is still going to be better off financially than someone on welfare but if they have any problems with the current situation they should be demanding more for themselves, not less for the people with less already.
I don’t really care one way or the other if they put up the dole a bit, but how about fine gael making good on that “make work pay” slogan they had and giving us a raise on the minimum wage?
If an employer is paying less than the dole for a weeks work then that employer is taking the piss. I can’t wait for a load more of those greedy exploitative assholes to go under. People should be paid a living wage, not the peanuts offered by some employers. And it still hasn’t dawned on them, their shitty pay and conditions are the reason they can’t find staff.
> Coalition on collision course over [insert latest issue]
The only thing that will bring down this coalition is the mandated election on/before March 2025.
https://imgur.com/r/gifs/kuplW0m
This kind of thing would make me vote Fine Gael (i won’t because of housing) as they seem to be the only party that want’s to incentivize working. I’m all for increasing pension, disability and job seekers benefit. Job seekers allowance should be the very bare minimum, or start off on the full rate and be reduced over time.
Grew up in a council estate and saw first hand how it was abused by so many. A lot of my family members have sat on job seekers allowance their entire lives with no intention of ever working.
I’ve never lived on the dole in Ireland. I’ve lived on the dole in Norway. The dole there was higher than here, the overall cost of living was lower, mainly due to lower rents. It was *miserable.*
The drop in earnings from a full time job was a massive chasm, even if the actual value was small. The social stigma was immense. The mental health impacts were horrendous.
Anyone who honestly believes that people just want to stay on the dole forever is seriously out of touch.
Love it or hate it, you need to be able to afford to survive on the dole.
Should be index linked like everything else pay related.
it seems the government were selling everything to the media the last two weeks and now we find there wont be 30% income tax, there won’t be welfare changes, etc. etc. When will the media actually do their jobs and call it out.
What are the odds the coalition will find some random thing to argue over and cause an election, right before Leo is due to take over in December?
Interesting FFG pantomime. The new party is trying out its new image as the mass party for the 21st century. The FF wing tries to hoover up the welfare class and the lower paid, FG try for the business class, large farmers and upper end PAYE and unionists. Add a coat of fake green paint ( watch Beal na Blath on Sunday but use cringe factor 100) and off we go.
The greatest trick FF/FG pulled in the last 20+ years is getting the general public to blame all government expenditure issues on the social welfare recipients.
Irish social media during boom
“Bleedin dossers on the dole stealing my taxes”
Irish social media during financial crisis
“Bleedin skangers on the dole wasting all our taxes and I have to pay USC for their dole”
“Comical amounts of money” to you maybe, bit if you live on 100 euro a week it’s not so funny.
Keep jobseekers as is but increase minimum wage as an incentive to seek work IMO
I mean I would rather see tax cuts for the middle class over this.
Our employment numbers are the best they have been since the boom.
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/0804/1313906-cso-unemployment-figures/#:~:text=Provisional%20data%20had%20shown%20the,in%20July%20of%20last%20year.
Less then 5% unemployment in a modern western country is excellent. It’s below what you would normally expect in good times.
If a business is crying out for staff then that business simply isn’t trying to compete on the job market. It’s not the doles fault.
The fact that the dole can be a disincentive for people to look for employment is definitely a problem.
Unfortunately, these eejits think the problem is “nObOdY wAnTs tO wOrK aNyMoRe” when the actual problem is that jobs are paying fuck-all. If you want people to work for you instead of getting the dole, pay them properly you tight fuckers.
Imagine if there would a solution to all these problems. Like paying employees more!
Why can’t they release my stamps so I can give myself a raise for 6 months instead of waiting till im unemployed and struggling. An extra 250 on top of my basic 465 net a week factory job would be life changing for families. Considering its my money anyway.
FG thinks people won’t work before the Dole is giving them a few extra €€ a week // “I’d really like to go work at this company, who’s offering me €650 a week, but the dole is now paying €215! I’d be mad to turn that down” Fucks sake this hatred towards the dole is insane
They don’t give a shit until it dawns on them that they need them eg shit employers today. But instead of fixing the problem they double down on the stupidity and bulshit, in the form of “people don’t want to work” etc.
I’m watching on with a huge grin as they suffer and their shitty businesses fold. 🙃
Man if they raised it by 50 pound how on earth could you justify working? Anyone on minimum wage is working 5 days and coming out with only a pissy 100-130 more than people with all their free time. Min wage should be five times. The dole and dole shouldn’t be cut.
If the job seekers gets a 10% increase to cover inflation but not 10% also for the minimum wage workers, that means there’s something wrong in this country.
Can’t wait to get €10 extra on my disability allowance next month and then have random people online say well, it’s better then nothing, go get a job. 😅
Poor people have been demonised and scapegoated for literal centuries.
The idea that “if you’re poor you’re lazy” has been going on since the industrial revolution and before then.
Remember guys: Just like the government is capable of building houses, the government is capable of providing the unemployed with jobs, too (such as e.g. training and employing them to build houses…) – with the ability to remain unemployed on the dole, if they desire.
There are enough unemployed people out there to almost double the size of the construction industry, who could be paid a living wage by the government, to end the fucking housing crisis – after appropriate training.
Part of the social contract is that you must work in order to earn a decent living – if the government doesn’t guarantee decent work, at a decent living wage, to all of the unemployed (with a Job Guarantee program) – then the government is breaking the social contract.
None of this stops the private sector offering better terms/wages, to employ the same people.