Does this include trans women? Either way, they should be adding insects to their diet.
This seems like a dumb finding from a good study, there’s no mention of variables like exercise and activity levels, previous weight loss and gain, how long people have been vegetarian, family history with levels of brittle bone.
Sounds very tabloidy
I like how one of the factors proposed is that vegetarians are less likely to be fat enough to protect themselves from a fall, compared to omnivores.
Idk if it’s the same for vegans, but ok, I guess we’ll have to live with not being obese and instead being generally more healthy but with an increased risk of hip injury.
The Guardian article on this quotes the study lead saying:
“The message for vegetarians is don’t give up your diet, because it is healthy for other things and environmentally friendly, but do take care to plan well and don’t miss out on nutrients that you exclude when you don’t eat meat or fish,”
However Sky have quoted him rather differently:
“However, it is not warning people to abandon vegetarian diets – as with any diet, it is important to understand personal circumstances and what nutrients are needed for a balanced healthy lifestyle.”
Sky completely cut out him commending a vegetarian diet for both health and environmental reasons and they word him saying “vegetarians: don’t give up your diets” much more negatively.
Overall the message you’d get from the Guardian article is this man is clearly supportive of vegetarian diets and he’s identified this risk to help people have better vegetarian diets. The Sky article makes it seem like he’s warning against vegetarian diets. Editorial lines are one hell of a drug.
This hits home a bit. I been a vegetarian since mid 2000’s, recent couple years cut out milk. I go swimming & gym. Live a healthy lifestyle except smoking weed (going onto vaping the medicinal stuff though)
Fractured my hip couple weeks ago.
I’m only late twenties!!
Worst thing is, didn’t go to A&E the same night. Somehow withstood the pain went to bed thinking I’ll be alright I’ll go into work.
Turns out I couldn’t move out of bed in the morning. I called 111, said ambulance was on its way at 9:30am.
Ended up at 1pm getting a mate to pick me up carry me into her car.
Gets even worse, I get private medical insurance I could’ve called private ambulance and taken in private hospital all paid for but this all new to me and I’m stupid for not knowing.
Still on crutches otherwise I woddle like a penguin. 🐧.
Edit – I should mention I’m not even female lmao.
As with all issues of this kind, the threat of entrenched ideology rears its head on both sides. I’m rather more interested in taking money out the pockets of the global meat market and putting it into sustainable alternatives though.
Looks like meat’s back on the menu ~~boys~~ girls…
Lol, who is the sponsor of this ‘research’? How long had the women been vegetarian? How many of those women were vegetarian/vegan to mask eating disorders? (more common than you might think). How many of the meat eaters had cancers from high meat consumption. What a load of bollox
I’m also willing to bet that vegetarian women are:
– more likely to be active and thus are more frequently placing themselves in scenarios where falls are more likely
– more likely to have a healthy bmi so will sustain more impact in the event of a hard fall
– are women, and thus likely to have developed/birthed children thus resulting in permanent loss of bone density from the pregnancy
The study doesn’t explain why vegetarian women are more likely to break their hips in the event of a fall.
Even in the article it mentions that it could be that women who eat meat are more likely to be overweight and so their fat deposits may help cushion the bones in the event of a fall.
That’s cos i only bang vegetarian women
Exercise and eating enough protein is so vital as women age, also starting to check bones / bone density when menopause has kicked in.
Everybody knows meat pound for pound is the most nutritious food on the planet.
Anybody completely cutting meat out of there diet is insane .
Not that surprising. Since this is vegeterians and not vegans I doubt that calcium intake is the main culprit. Vegeterians have a lower BMI on average, especially vegeterian women. Lower BMI is heavily associated with a higher risk of hip fracture. And the relationship is non-linear. This means that the difference in risk between an 18 and 23 (18 being around the lower end of normal) is much greater than that between a 25 and a 30 (the difference in risk between somebody who is overweight vs obese).
It might seem weird that having a lower-range but normal BMI puts you at higher risk for a negative health outcome but it’s true. To use an anecdote: who is most likely to get a hip fracture? Me, a vegan with a BMI of 18.6 or my Dad, who weighs 100kg, has diabetes, gout, hypertension, sleep apnoea, has had surgery for benign intestinal tumors, etc. Clearly the answer is “me”. Who is more likely to die earlier though? It pains me to say it, but him.
Hip fractures are serious, don’t get me wrong. Half of the people who get one die within a year. The solution is to make sure that your calcium intake is adequate, to do resistance training to strenghten your bones and maybe, ironically, to aim for a higher BMI within the normal range as you age (maybe a 23). This advice would apply to everybody, but vegeterians tend to struggle most with the BMI bit and ofcs, there are fewer straight up overweight vegeterians which means that even if they do everything perfectly they’ll be at a higher average risk as a group simply for not being as overweight.
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Does this include trans women? Either way, they should be adding insects to their diet.
This seems like a dumb finding from a good study, there’s no mention of variables like exercise and activity levels, previous weight loss and gain, how long people have been vegetarian, family history with levels of brittle bone.
Sounds very tabloidy
I like how one of the factors proposed is that vegetarians are less likely to be fat enough to protect themselves from a fall, compared to omnivores.
>The researchers suspect vegetarians are more likely to be underweight than meat eaters, and that beyond having weaker bones and muscles may also have less fat, which can act as a cushion when people fall. [Guardian article on this](https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/aug/11/vegetarian-women-fracture-hips-study-bone-health)
Idk if it’s the same for vegans, but ok, I guess we’ll have to live with not being obese and instead being generally more healthy but with an increased risk of hip injury.
The Guardian article on this quotes the study lead saying:
“The message for vegetarians is don’t give up your diet, because it is healthy for other things and environmentally friendly, but do take care to plan well and don’t miss out on nutrients that you exclude when you don’t eat meat or fish,”
However Sky have quoted him rather differently:
“However, it is not warning people to abandon vegetarian diets – as with any diet, it is important to understand personal circumstances and what nutrients are needed for a balanced healthy lifestyle.”
Sky completely cut out him commending a vegetarian diet for both health and environmental reasons and they word him saying “vegetarians: don’t give up your diets” much more negatively.
Overall the message you’d get from the Guardian article is this man is clearly supportive of vegetarian diets and he’s identified this risk to help people have better vegetarian diets. The Sky article makes it seem like he’s warning against vegetarian diets. Editorial lines are one hell of a drug.
The Guardian article: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/aug/11/vegetarian-women-fracture-hips-study-bone-health
This hits home a bit. I been a vegetarian since mid 2000’s, recent couple years cut out milk. I go swimming & gym. Live a healthy lifestyle except smoking weed (going onto vaping the medicinal stuff though)
Fractured my hip couple weeks ago.
I’m only late twenties!!
Worst thing is, didn’t go to A&E the same night. Somehow withstood the pain went to bed thinking I’ll be alright I’ll go into work.
Turns out I couldn’t move out of bed in the morning. I called 111, said ambulance was on its way at 9:30am.
Ended up at 1pm getting a mate to pick me up carry me into her car.
Gets even worse, I get private medical insurance I could’ve called private ambulance and taken in private hospital all paid for but this all new to me and I’m stupid for not knowing.
Still on crutches otherwise I woddle like a penguin. 🐧.
Edit – I should mention I’m not even female lmao.
As with all issues of this kind, the threat of entrenched ideology rears its head on both sides. I’m rather more interested in taking money out the pockets of the global meat market and putting it into sustainable alternatives though.
Looks like meat’s back on the menu ~~boys~~ girls…
Lol, who is the sponsor of this ‘research’? How long had the women been vegetarian? How many of those women were vegetarian/vegan to mask eating disorders? (more common than you might think). How many of the meat eaters had cancers from high meat consumption. What a load of bollox
I’m also willing to bet that vegetarian women are:
– more likely to be active and thus are more frequently placing themselves in scenarios where falls are more likely
– more likely to have a healthy bmi so will sustain more impact in the event of a hard fall
– are women, and thus likely to have developed/birthed children thus resulting in permanent loss of bone density from the pregnancy
The study doesn’t explain why vegetarian women are more likely to break their hips in the event of a fall.
Even in the article it mentions that it could be that women who eat meat are more likely to be overweight and so their fat deposits may help cushion the bones in the event of a fall.
That’s cos i only bang vegetarian women
Exercise and eating enough protein is so vital as women age, also starting to check bones / bone density when menopause has kicked in.
Everybody knows meat pound for pound is the most nutritious food on the planet.
Anybody completely cutting meat out of there diet is insane .
Not that surprising. Since this is vegeterians and not vegans I doubt that calcium intake is the main culprit. Vegeterians have a lower BMI on average, especially vegeterian women. Lower BMI is heavily associated with a higher risk of hip fracture. And the relationship is non-linear. This means that the difference in risk between an 18 and 23 (18 being around the lower end of normal) is much greater than that between a 25 and a 30 (the difference in risk between somebody who is overweight vs obese).
It might seem weird that having a lower-range but normal BMI puts you at higher risk for a negative health outcome but it’s true. To use an anecdote: who is most likely to get a hip fracture? Me, a vegan with a BMI of 18.6 or my Dad, who weighs 100kg, has diabetes, gout, hypertension, sleep apnoea, has had surgery for benign intestinal tumors, etc. Clearly the answer is “me”. Who is more likely to die earlier though? It pains me to say it, but him.
Hip fractures are serious, don’t get me wrong. Half of the people who get one die within a year. The solution is to make sure that your calcium intake is adequate, to do resistance training to strenghten your bones and maybe, ironically, to aim for a higher BMI within the normal range as you age (maybe a 23). This advice would apply to everybody, but vegeterians tend to struggle most with the BMI bit and ofcs, there are fewer straight up overweight vegeterians which means that even if they do everything perfectly they’ll be at a higher average risk as a group simply for not being as overweight.