> Traditionally, Norway has dealt with its climate and oil policies separately. This was made easier since, conveniently, under the Paris Agreement, emissions are counted where fossil fuels are consumed, not where they are extracted. So even though the oil and gas exported from Norway last year would emit about 450 million tons of carbon dioxide if burnt (about nine times the nation’s total annual emissions), it could remain a carbon exporter on this scale and still technically cut its emissions to net zero.
> Norway’s drilling operations are said to be the cleanest in the world. If these are stopped, it’s argued, global demand would stay the same but Norway’s cleaner oil and gas would be replaced by dirtier products with higher emissions. In a punchy defence of the industry, the new Labour prime minister, Jonas Gahr Støre, said that a rapid end to Norwegian hydrocarbon production “would put a stop to an industrial transition that is needed” if Europe is to reach its green goals.
we care about the climate, the goverment doesen’t do a sheet
This doesn’t even get into massive animal agriculture and fishing industries. Gets ignored by both politicians and cimate activists.
The norwegian national sport is hipocrisy. We are a nation of peaceful weapons exports.
The attitudes or values of Norwegians are not expressed through individual or political actions. When push comes to shove, as a people, we are far less likely to act upon what we think is right, if it comes at an immediate disatdvantage. Relevant disadvantages are:
* Everyday routine changing – aka need for adaptation
* Costs slightly more money
* Disrupts our social or physical comfort
* Brings about any change whatsoever
All in all this creates a superficial image of Norwegians that we care about climate and nature. But for anyone that has seen how our Nature Management policies has been developing the past decades, see how easily people throw trash on the ground when in nature, see the over-consumption and wasteful (resources) attitudes are expressed, it is an undeserved image.
Yep. Norway is one of the biggest polluters in the world per capita.
I honestly think their oil policy is fine. They are investing in renewables and it’s not like stopping extraction would change the amount of pollution.
On the other hand, the way they treat biodiversity does not convince me. Wolves population diminishing? Even tiny belgium with a fraction of the territory are taking better care of wolves, but also just irresponsible overfishing.
That being said they could do more on climate too. Denmark has this megaproject of building islands and tons of wind turbine, norway has nothing of the sort, no truly ambitious project. I think the time has come to use some of that oil money in ambitious energy generation projects instead of expensive fancy roads and boat tunnels.
They are talking about stopping the oil extraction but instead they could use the money for ambitious energy projects. Yes that would mean not feeding the oil fund anymore but stopping oil production would also stop that.
That is imo the issue with norway and climate. They want their hands clean, some even feel guilty about the oil money, but they don’t care to be part of the solution. If they could plant enough trees to cover their greenhouse gaz emission they would do that then just sit on their asses feeling free of responsability instead of trying to actively solve the worldwide problem.
Tldr: unambitious and only want their hand clean
Yes, yes we are. Or rather, our government are.
I would argue that cutting the oil production would only give someone else with higher production emissions the share. That and that Norway produces a fair amount of technology that can make renewable energy and so on.
But I also think Norway should use more of the oil money towards renewables. Although gas prices are going up and consume is down due to very high electric car market, more export of clean electricity, c02 taxes for business and so on. it’s a long way for the third world countries to go past fossile fuels and directly to clean energy.
If the rich don’t help the poor past fossile it doesn’t matter how clean they are, we live on the same planet after all.
Every single Nation that wants climate change, and at the same time wants a good living standard, is a climate hypocrite by that logic.
Our oil is the least if your worries… if anything our oil allows for the rest of the world to get renewable energy sources and tools that’s not largely relient upon oil products. And we keep the rest of the EU happy by sacrificing our otherwise would be pretty cheap electricity.
If you want to fight climate change going against Norway and taking away one of the largest stable and most future proof fundraising projects to help literally every single person on earth is definitely not the way to go…
“You exercise and eat good food, but you’re unhealthy, because you work at McDonalds”
As a Norwegian I wish we’d put our money where or mouth was. We do some things right: we get most our energy from renewable sources, and probably have the most electric cars pr inhabitant. However, we export huge amounts of oil, and while Norwegian oil companies have to extract oil in the most “climate friendly” way domestically, they don’t give a shit abroad. Statoil* was among other things involved in the oil sand industry in Canada which is one of the most polluting and damaging extraction methods possible.
*Statoil is now called the “energy company” Equinor. This is just green washing though. They’re still an oil company.
Yes.
And that’s a good thing, because it is important to make money on other peoples illusions.
Yes
Yes we are the biggest hypocrites ever 1000%
Every country uses oil to an insane degree and there is also a enormous amount of products we don’t even have any substitute for. No one in the modern world can avoid petroleum based products without shooting themselves in the foot at this point and yet we now see everyone point at producers like they themselves are not at fault for their own consumption. It’s like a morbidly obese man yelling at a McDonalds.
I think every single country that funds itself largely due to industries that burn extreme amount of energy yet points at others as the “bad examples” are hypocritical though that basically amounts to every single western nation.
But the morbidly obese metaphor is apt. The world need to adapt to a new crisis as soon as possible, but that doesn’t mean all carbon emissions can realistically be cut immediately. If that was done today most of Europe would immediately strain the power grid immediately and most would freeze. The 3rd world would stand zero chance. Building infrastructure would immediately halt as common materials for insulation, wiring, pipes etc would not be available. It’s not just “use a different type of shopping bag” and “build a few windmills” that ultimately solves this.
So yeah, while the world literally depends on oil I see no issue with Norway being the one to produce it. That doesn’t mean the clock isn’t ticking though and Norway should therefore also strive to improve as fast as possible as well. The notion that you need to immediately stop everything before you’re allowed to improve is however a monumental idiotic idea with no basis in reality.
Yes of course
Realistically there is No way the demand for Oil is going to go down any time soon. That means that currently, the best option is to improve what we are using. Make our production of Oil greener so we can sell it to other countries. Which in the end, means everyone gets greener Oil. That is what we want to do, and we are being mocked for it. Not by this article, but other media stations. Even in our own country. It is the right decision, it is what we are good at and know we can actually pull off, so let us make it better for everyone.
And our state knows that Oil isn’t the only “money machine” we have. So if the demand for Oil were to go away, we would still have something to make us rich. Yet, we lack the right people for the Job. This means we aren’t only doing it for ourselves, but for the world. We know we are the greenest and we know it will make the world worse by stopping. That is why we don’t. In fact, the best option would be if we produced everything, but of course that is not gonna happen.
However, yes, a lot of our political issues are weird, some people have too much to say. This isn’t a democracy any longer. Like our Electrical bills are over the roof because some people want to make more money. Damn, as corrupt as any other country. Anyhow, democracy is outdated and should be changed for the better. People just haven’t realised it Yet.
We have a lot of money that we definitely should use on greener tech. But it is difficult to know who to give the money to. We lack good scientists in the technological field as well as the balls to support “random” people. Also, since we are so few people, the sudden “revolutionary discoveries” take very long.
Yes
Yes
Green nation that produce oil, peace nation that give the Nobel peace prize and sells weapons 🤷🏻♂️
Yes, we are. At least quite a lot of Norwegians and our politicians are. Oil is to lucrative and profitable to stop extracting, and also employs a lot of people. Animal preservation is not glamorous or profitable, especially when core voters hate predators killing life stock (even if its very small percentages). While updating and improving existing water energy plants are just as, if not more, effective than building new windmill parks (one park was even deemed violating human rights due to cutting into Sami lands), leasing out land is a more open and visual way to pretend you’re makingan effort.
TL:DR: As long as profits and continuous (infinite) economic growth is the priority, climate change won’t be taken seriously until its to late.
Yes, an happy one too
For sure..
But not any more hypocrites than any other nation that burns fossil fuels and pollutes while going on about climate change and the “green change”.
Yes.
No, we are just ordinary hypocrite.
God im fuckimg tired of this bullshit.
Norwegiam here, Yes… yes we are.
Hahah yes
(But please read the comments explaining the complex situation)
The world as a whole is not in a place where we could just turn of the taps on gas and oil (even if we wish we were).
Therefore Norwegian extraction is actually a good thing as its a lot more eco friendly than the Saudi extraction as an example.
And just so people do not get any ideas:
I do not harbor any negative feeling towards the general Saudi population as I know very litle except what I can read in the news, which most of the time is only partially correct.
Yes… and no. Norway exports its “petroleum derivatives”, but whether a nation wants to use it as oil or to create other products (asphalt, lubricants, plastics, etc.), it is up to them. Of course, Norway knows that most importers want to use it for different types of oil (and it even processes the crude oil beforehand), so it is complicit in the result.
Yes, and if you read /r/norge you will see why: Everybody is extremely into fixing the climate and extremely against paying extra for power.
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> Traditionally, Norway has dealt with its climate and oil policies separately. This was made easier since, conveniently, under the Paris Agreement, emissions are counted where fossil fuels are consumed, not where they are extracted. So even though the oil and gas exported from Norway last year would emit about 450 million tons of carbon dioxide if burnt (about nine times the nation’s total annual emissions), it could remain a carbon exporter on this scale and still technically cut its emissions to net zero.
> Norway’s drilling operations are said to be the cleanest in the world. If these are stopped, it’s argued, global demand would stay the same but Norway’s cleaner oil and gas would be replaced by dirtier products with higher emissions. In a punchy defence of the industry, the new Labour prime minister, Jonas Gahr Støre, said that a rapid end to Norwegian hydrocarbon production “would put a stop to an industrial transition that is needed” if Europe is to reach its green goals.
we care about the climate, the goverment doesen’t do a sheet
This doesn’t even get into massive animal agriculture and fishing industries. Gets ignored by both politicians and cimate activists.
The norwegian national sport is hipocrisy. We are a nation of peaceful weapons exports.
The attitudes or values of Norwegians are not expressed through individual or political actions. When push comes to shove, as a people, we are far less likely to act upon what we think is right, if it comes at an immediate disatdvantage. Relevant disadvantages are:
* Everyday routine changing – aka need for adaptation
* Costs slightly more money
* Disrupts our social or physical comfort
* Brings about any change whatsoever
All in all this creates a superficial image of Norwegians that we care about climate and nature. But for anyone that has seen how our Nature Management policies has been developing the past decades, see how easily people throw trash on the ground when in nature, see the over-consumption and wasteful (resources) attitudes are expressed, it is an undeserved image.
Yep. Norway is one of the biggest polluters in the world per capita.
I honestly think their oil policy is fine. They are investing in renewables and it’s not like stopping extraction would change the amount of pollution.
On the other hand, the way they treat biodiversity does not convince me. Wolves population diminishing? Even tiny belgium with a fraction of the territory are taking better care of wolves, but also just irresponsible overfishing.
That being said they could do more on climate too. Denmark has this megaproject of building islands and tons of wind turbine, norway has nothing of the sort, no truly ambitious project. I think the time has come to use some of that oil money in ambitious energy generation projects instead of expensive fancy roads and boat tunnels.
They are talking about stopping the oil extraction but instead they could use the money for ambitious energy projects. Yes that would mean not feeding the oil fund anymore but stopping oil production would also stop that.
That is imo the issue with norway and climate. They want their hands clean, some even feel guilty about the oil money, but they don’t care to be part of the solution. If they could plant enough trees to cover their greenhouse gaz emission they would do that then just sit on their asses feeling free of responsability instead of trying to actively solve the worldwide problem.
Tldr: unambitious and only want their hand clean
Yes, yes we are. Or rather, our government are.
I would argue that cutting the oil production would only give someone else with higher production emissions the share. That and that Norway produces a fair amount of technology that can make renewable energy and so on.
But I also think Norway should use more of the oil money towards renewables. Although gas prices are going up and consume is down due to very high electric car market, more export of clean electricity, c02 taxes for business and so on. it’s a long way for the third world countries to go past fossile fuels and directly to clean energy.
If the rich don’t help the poor past fossile it doesn’t matter how clean they are, we live on the same planet after all.
Every single Nation that wants climate change, and at the same time wants a good living standard, is a climate hypocrite by that logic.
Our oil is the least if your worries… if anything our oil allows for the rest of the world to get renewable energy sources and tools that’s not largely relient upon oil products. And we keep the rest of the EU happy by sacrificing our otherwise would be pretty cheap electricity.
If you want to fight climate change going against Norway and taking away one of the largest stable and most future proof fundraising projects to help literally every single person on earth is definitely not the way to go…
“You exercise and eat good food, but you’re unhealthy, because you work at McDonalds”
As a Norwegian I wish we’d put our money where or mouth was. We do some things right: we get most our energy from renewable sources, and probably have the most electric cars pr inhabitant. However, we export huge amounts of oil, and while Norwegian oil companies have to extract oil in the most “climate friendly” way domestically, they don’t give a shit abroad. Statoil* was among other things involved in the oil sand industry in Canada which is one of the most polluting and damaging extraction methods possible.
*Statoil is now called the “energy company” Equinor. This is just green washing though. They’re still an oil company.
Yes.
And that’s a good thing, because it is important to make money on other peoples illusions.
Yes
Yes we are the biggest hypocrites ever 1000%
Every country uses oil to an insane degree and there is also a enormous amount of products we don’t even have any substitute for. No one in the modern world can avoid petroleum based products without shooting themselves in the foot at this point and yet we now see everyone point at producers like they themselves are not at fault for their own consumption. It’s like a morbidly obese man yelling at a McDonalds.
I think every single country that funds itself largely due to industries that burn extreme amount of energy yet points at others as the “bad examples” are hypocritical though that basically amounts to every single western nation.
But the morbidly obese metaphor is apt. The world need to adapt to a new crisis as soon as possible, but that doesn’t mean all carbon emissions can realistically be cut immediately. If that was done today most of Europe would immediately strain the power grid immediately and most would freeze. The 3rd world would stand zero chance. Building infrastructure would immediately halt as common materials for insulation, wiring, pipes etc would not be available. It’s not just “use a different type of shopping bag” and “build a few windmills” that ultimately solves this.
So yeah, while the world literally depends on oil I see no issue with Norway being the one to produce it. That doesn’t mean the clock isn’t ticking though and Norway should therefore also strive to improve as fast as possible as well. The notion that you need to immediately stop everything before you’re allowed to improve is however a monumental idiotic idea with no basis in reality.
Yes of course
Realistically there is No way the demand for Oil is going to go down any time soon. That means that currently, the best option is to improve what we are using. Make our production of Oil greener so we can sell it to other countries. Which in the end, means everyone gets greener Oil. That is what we want to do, and we are being mocked for it. Not by this article, but other media stations. Even in our own country. It is the right decision, it is what we are good at and know we can actually pull off, so let us make it better for everyone.
And our state knows that Oil isn’t the only “money machine” we have. So if the demand for Oil were to go away, we would still have something to make us rich. Yet, we lack the right people for the Job. This means we aren’t only doing it for ourselves, but for the world. We know we are the greenest and we know it will make the world worse by stopping. That is why we don’t. In fact, the best option would be if we produced everything, but of course that is not gonna happen.
However, yes, a lot of our political issues are weird, some people have too much to say. This isn’t a democracy any longer. Like our Electrical bills are over the roof because some people want to make more money. Damn, as corrupt as any other country. Anyhow, democracy is outdated and should be changed for the better. People just haven’t realised it Yet.
We have a lot of money that we definitely should use on greener tech. But it is difficult to know who to give the money to. We lack good scientists in the technological field as well as the balls to support “random” people. Also, since we are so few people, the sudden “revolutionary discoveries” take very long.
Yes
Yes
Green nation that produce oil, peace nation that give the Nobel peace prize and sells weapons 🤷🏻♂️
Yes, we are. At least quite a lot of Norwegians and our politicians are. Oil is to lucrative and profitable to stop extracting, and also employs a lot of people. Animal preservation is not glamorous or profitable, especially when core voters hate predators killing life stock (even if its very small percentages). While updating and improving existing water energy plants are just as, if not more, effective than building new windmill parks (one park was even deemed violating human rights due to cutting into Sami lands), leasing out land is a more open and visual way to pretend you’re makingan effort.
TL:DR: As long as profits and continuous (infinite) economic growth is the priority, climate change won’t be taken seriously until its to late.
Yes, an happy one too
For sure..
But not any more hypocrites than any other nation that burns fossil fuels and pollutes while going on about climate change and the “green change”.
Yes.
No, we are just ordinary hypocrite.
God im fuckimg tired of this bullshit.
Norwegiam here, Yes… yes we are.
Hahah yes
(But please read the comments explaining the complex situation)
The world as a whole is not in a place where we could just turn of the taps on gas and oil (even if we wish we were).
Therefore Norwegian extraction is actually a good thing as its a lot more eco friendly than the Saudi extraction as an example.
And just so people do not get any ideas:
I do not harbor any negative feeling towards the general Saudi population as I know very litle except what I can read in the news, which most of the time is only partially correct.
Yes… and no. Norway exports its “petroleum derivatives”, but whether a nation wants to use it as oil or to create other products (asphalt, lubricants, plastics, etc.), it is up to them. Of course, Norway knows that most importers want to use it for different types of oil (and it even processes the crude oil beforehand), so it is complicit in the result.
Yes, and if you read /r/norge you will see why: Everybody is extremely into fixing the climate and extremely against paying extra for power.