> He said that had led to a higher risk of people reoffending.
There’s one punishment with a guaranteed zero recidivism rate.
We should use it.
If someone carries a knife or other kind of weapon it should be a mandatory life prison sentence with a minimum term of 12 years. Stop pussyfooting about
The thing with “increasing punishment” is that people who are going to commit a crime either don’t think about the punishment, or think they won’t face it
Those raging justice boners ain’t doing shit to reduce crime
What we need is better education and better community policing. But those aren’t popular because there’s no visible effect to the people who only care about being “tough on criminals”.
No, but it’s a start
It’s not the sentence that’s the problem, it’s the letting them out. Three strikes and your out policy needed.
The issue is that there’s a whole lot of stick, whilst very little carrot on offer.
You can give police all the powers in the world to tackle knife crime. You can give courts the power to send people to jail for life for the first offence. It won’t have a significant impact until those that carry knives are given a better option in life.
Whenever I deal with people involved in serious violence, the people carrying knives, they almost always have an absolutely shit life.
– They live in a house that’s far too small for the family, sharing a room with 3/4 siblings.
– They have parents who aren’t there to raise them, either because they’re too busy trying to earn enough to keep everyone fed and housed, or they had a shit upbringing themselves and so they literally do not care.
– They’ve had a shit time in school, meaning they have no grades and no job prospects.
– They’re surrounded by people in the exact same situation, so they can’t even be held up by their social group.
– They’re living in a shitty, deprived area where there’s no social or sports clubs, no community groups, and simply nothing to do outside of school/work hours.
There’s a reason that people who grow up in posh parts of Kensington and Chelsea don’t carry knives, whilst people who grow up in Hackney are much more likely to. A lack of investment in people’s lives is what causes violent crime.
The sad truth is, like with so many things in life, there is no easy fix, no button that we can press and instantly solve the issue. This is the result of decades of inequality combined with a culture of criminality in certain sectors of the population, almost always deprived working class areas. This will take years of work along with massive funding to rectify, including uplift for those communities to draw them away from crime combined with a crackdown on organised crime that encourages these offenders.
Hello we love to swim in our own shit, and we vote to commit self-sanction. Do you really think we want to listen to experts…. /s
What happened to operation trident ?
I agree, they won’t work while prison life is so easy and comfortable. I’ve worked in the prison service for years, and can tell you criminals have no fear of prison life because it’s so soft. The old career criminals laugh at some of the young soft lads who struggle with it, but most just find their time inside a breeze.
Sure, but this doesn’t mean sentences shouldn’t be raised. Criminals do calculate, especially the dangerous ones. Not every crime is an accident or an in-the-moment “mistake”.
Perhaps part of the reason why killers don’t think much about the sentence is because the sentence is hanging out with your buddies in prison, not the end of a rope?
People who think sentences shouldn’t be raised rarely think we should have lighter sentences, so even they admit that there is some effect.
Put a sterilising drug / chemical in energy drinks. The problem will be resolved within a couple of decades.
Just ban all knives.
Anyone caught in possession of any knives will just get sent to prison.
Problem solved.
Well, yes, but it may be part of a solution that you could put into place sooner rather than later.
At the same time, look as what else you can do to address the issue. You know, a multi-pronged approach.
We don’t have to wait for one singular All-Cure Elixer to deal with issues. You can try multiple things at once, see what works and what doesnt.
Increase the encouragement that families Ur two parents are essential. Knife crime will drop
Of course not! I could’ve told you that. These stupid bloody statements. Nothing will change until you answer the questions about why there is knife crime. Why are people stabbing people?
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> He said that had led to a higher risk of people reoffending.
There’s one punishment with a guaranteed zero recidivism rate.
We should use it.
If someone carries a knife or other kind of weapon it should be a mandatory life prison sentence with a minimum term of 12 years. Stop pussyfooting about
The thing with “increasing punishment” is that people who are going to commit a crime either don’t think about the punishment, or think they won’t face it
Those raging justice boners ain’t doing shit to reduce crime
What we need is better education and better community policing. But those aren’t popular because there’s no visible effect to the people who only care about being “tough on criminals”.
No, but it’s a start
It’s not the sentence that’s the problem, it’s the letting them out. Three strikes and your out policy needed.
The issue is that there’s a whole lot of stick, whilst very little carrot on offer.
You can give police all the powers in the world to tackle knife crime. You can give courts the power to send people to jail for life for the first offence. It won’t have a significant impact until those that carry knives are given a better option in life.
Whenever I deal with people involved in serious violence, the people carrying knives, they almost always have an absolutely shit life.
– They live in a house that’s far too small for the family, sharing a room with 3/4 siblings.
– They have parents who aren’t there to raise them, either because they’re too busy trying to earn enough to keep everyone fed and housed, or they had a shit upbringing themselves and so they literally do not care.
– They’ve had a shit time in school, meaning they have no grades and no job prospects.
– They’re surrounded by people in the exact same situation, so they can’t even be held up by their social group.
– They’re living in a shitty, deprived area where there’s no social or sports clubs, no community groups, and simply nothing to do outside of school/work hours.
There’s a reason that people who grow up in posh parts of Kensington and Chelsea don’t carry knives, whilst people who grow up in Hackney are much more likely to. A lack of investment in people’s lives is what causes violent crime.
The sad truth is, like with so many things in life, there is no easy fix, no button that we can press and instantly solve the issue. This is the result of decades of inequality combined with a culture of criminality in certain sectors of the population, almost always deprived working class areas. This will take years of work along with massive funding to rectify, including uplift for those communities to draw them away from crime combined with a crackdown on organised crime that encourages these offenders.
Hello we love to swim in our own shit, and we vote to commit self-sanction. Do you really think we want to listen to experts…. /s
What happened to operation trident ?
I agree, they won’t work while prison life is so easy and comfortable. I’ve worked in the prison service for years, and can tell you criminals have no fear of prison life because it’s so soft. The old career criminals laugh at some of the young soft lads who struggle with it, but most just find their time inside a breeze.
Sure, but this doesn’t mean sentences shouldn’t be raised. Criminals do calculate, especially the dangerous ones. Not every crime is an accident or an in-the-moment “mistake”.
Perhaps part of the reason why killers don’t think much about the sentence is because the sentence is hanging out with your buddies in prison, not the end of a rope?
People who think sentences shouldn’t be raised rarely think we should have lighter sentences, so even they admit that there is some effect.
Put a sterilising drug / chemical in energy drinks. The problem will be resolved within a couple of decades.
Just ban all knives.
Anyone caught in possession of any knives will just get sent to prison.
Problem solved.
Well, yes, but it may be part of a solution that you could put into place sooner rather than later.
At the same time, look as what else you can do to address the issue. You know, a multi-pronged approach.
We don’t have to wait for one singular All-Cure Elixer to deal with issues. You can try multiple things at once, see what works and what doesnt.
Increase the encouragement that families Ur two parents are essential. Knife crime will drop
Of course not! I could’ve told you that. These stupid bloody statements. Nothing will change until you answer the questions about why there is knife crime. Why are people stabbing people?