Since Greenland and some other territories are missing, I suppose they mean continental Europe, not political Europe, correct?
Then why is Turkey and Cyprus in it?
Fun fact: it’s so low in Scandinavia because people who can’t warm their homes literally just die
^^^/s
So… Poland can into Western Europe?
Also, can someone explain the divide in Romania and Ireland?
We win, as usual. Turkey stronk 💪💪
TV and tourism have the same weight as food and heating fuel? Who made that list?
I don’t own a car because it’s a waste of money, my city has an excellent public transport system with personal mobility costs below 1000€/year. I haven’t owned a TV in 18 years because it’s a useless time waster. I haven’t left the city in 2 years because all the interesting travel destinations are closed due to the pandemic. Guess I’m materially deprived. Can I have free money now?
RIP Svalbard and Iceland, we will miss you bad!!
And Jan Mayen…
Im a “top percentile” earner in the UK (London) and I can’t afford to outright buy a new car… not too sure how thats seen as “severe material deprivation”. Most of the people I know / work with do not own cars, maybe its more common in other places in Europe. Would be good to know what it is like elsewhere.
Wtf is this scale? 0-1, 1-2, 2-5 etc. If it’s 2, do you fall into bracket 2 or 3?
Transylvania STRONK💪
Go Aosta and South Tyrol!
It looks like some colours in some countries could change, for better or worse, if the data was related to regions instead of the whole countries. Although I admit this is just a lazy comment.
Poland can into Western Europe
This is maybe a third recent post, from which I hear that Czechia is doing well in social equality, poverty levels etc.
This has been demonstrated on last election results. Social democrats (who played the biggest part in settling the differences and poverty in our society in such nice numbers we have to day) dropped out of parliament with support under 5% for the first time in the history. So everything comes with a price…
Really? TV, holidays, washing machine?
Oh nice, Belgium doing good for once.
*looks further*
Oh, I can’t warm my home, have unexpected expenses, go on holiday, afford TV, have a washing machine or a car. I am the 2-5%. Well frick.
But nice for the others I guess.
* Let’s check for myself as web developer;
* – pay rent, mortgage or utility bills: takes 1/3 of my wage but okay
* – warm up their homes: a little expensive but okay
* – cover unexpected expenses: NOPE
* – to eat meat or proteins regularly: depends how regular is regular
* – to go on holiday: NOPE
* – TV : I bought 55inch 4K TV which costed me 1.5x more than my monthly wage.
* – washing machine: I found a good deal luckily and managed to buy a new one relatively cheap
* – car : ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLY NOPE
* – phone : iphone 13 is more than double price of my monthly salary.
AH TÜRKİYEMM
Huh this is a very interesting metric.
The distribution in the Netherlands is not what I expected.
Limburg stronk
Holidays are imo luxury. Not essential.
No way it’s only ~10% here
Those definitions are super weird tho. I mean, you could probably find the shittiest rent for less than 100$/month, but that would be a 15 square meter basement with little to no utilities in the worst part of the town. I wouldn’t count it as a suitable living conditions for anyone who… wants to live. But if they take it as an affordable rent, hen yes, 10% is realistic, or even too big.
But if you want a small, room and a half apartmant at least somewhat close to the city center, with full utility included as well as relatively well equipped, then it’s gonna go way above most people’s ability to pay.
Same with car or phone. You can find cars that move for around ~4~500 usd here. Doesn’t mean anyone should buy and use those. they are super deep money sinkholes with absolutely 0 reliability. If you count “Afford a car” to the absolute cheapest new car available here, then I’m sure a LOT of people cannot even come close to owning one.
Since when did Turkey become so poor
Feels like a random list where you can’t really compare items with each other.
person 1 cannot:
* pay for rent
* heat their house
* eat proteins regularly
person 2 cannot:
* buy a car (it’s a luxury if you have great public transport)
* go on holiday
* buy a mobile phone
Somehow these 2 persons are considered to be in an equally bad situation according to this graph.
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surce: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/ilc_mddd21/default/table?lang-en
made in 2021 by Milos Popovic, https://milosp.info
Since Greenland and some other territories are missing, I suppose they mean continental Europe, not political Europe, correct?
Then why is Turkey and Cyprus in it?
Fun fact: it’s so low in Scandinavia because people who can’t warm their homes literally just die
^^^/s
So… Poland can into Western Europe?
Also, can someone explain the divide in Romania and Ireland?
We win, as usual. Turkey stronk 💪💪
TV and tourism have the same weight as food and heating fuel? Who made that list?
I don’t own a car because it’s a waste of money, my city has an excellent public transport system with personal mobility costs below 1000€/year. I haven’t owned a TV in 18 years because it’s a useless time waster. I haven’t left the city in 2 years because all the interesting travel destinations are closed due to the pandemic. Guess I’m materially deprived. Can I have free money now?
RIP Svalbard and Iceland, we will miss you bad!!
And Jan Mayen…
Im a “top percentile” earner in the UK (London) and I can’t afford to outright buy a new car… not too sure how thats seen as “severe material deprivation”. Most of the people I know / work with do not own cars, maybe its more common in other places in Europe. Would be good to know what it is like elsewhere.
Wtf is this scale? 0-1, 1-2, 2-5 etc. If it’s 2, do you fall into bracket 2 or 3?
Transylvania STRONK💪
Go Aosta and South Tyrol!
It looks like some colours in some countries could change, for better or worse, if the data was related to regions instead of the whole countries. Although I admit this is just a lazy comment.
Poland can into Western Europe
This is maybe a third recent post, from which I hear that Czechia is doing well in social equality, poverty levels etc.
However, I don’t think anybody in Czechia is really appreciating this, as housing situation is ([source](https://www.globalpropertyguide.com/Europe/price-gdp-per-cap) & [source](https://www2.deloitte.com/pl/pl/pages/real-estate0/articles/Property-Index-2021.html)) making German “housing crisis” look like nice and friendly environment for living. And even so Czechia has lowest unemployment rates in EU for years, the only countries we chase in terms of PPP are southern Europe countries and only because they’ve been trough massive economical turmoils.
This has been demonstrated on last election results. Social democrats (who played the biggest part in settling the differences and poverty in our society in such nice numbers we have to day) dropped out of parliament with support under 5% for the first time in the history. So everything comes with a price…
Really? TV, holidays, washing machine?
Oh nice, Belgium doing good for once.
*looks further*
Oh, I can’t warm my home, have unexpected expenses, go on holiday, afford TV, have a washing machine or a car. I am the 2-5%. Well frick.
But nice for the others I guess.
* Let’s check for myself as web developer;
* – pay rent, mortgage or utility bills: takes 1/3 of my wage but okay
* – warm up their homes: a little expensive but okay
* – cover unexpected expenses: NOPE
* – to eat meat or proteins regularly: depends how regular is regular
* – to go on holiday: NOPE
* – TV : I bought 55inch 4K TV which costed me 1.5x more than my monthly wage.
* – washing machine: I found a good deal luckily and managed to buy a new one relatively cheap
* – car : ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLY NOPE
* – phone : iphone 13 is more than double price of my monthly salary.
AH TÜRKİYEMM
Huh this is a very interesting metric.
The distribution in the Netherlands is not what I expected.
Limburg stronk
Holidays are imo luxury. Not essential.
No way it’s only ~10% here
Those definitions are super weird tho. I mean, you could probably find the shittiest rent for less than 100$/month, but that would be a 15 square meter basement with little to no utilities in the worst part of the town. I wouldn’t count it as a suitable living conditions for anyone who… wants to live. But if they take it as an affordable rent, hen yes, 10% is realistic, or even too big.
But if you want a small, room and a half apartmant at least somewhat close to the city center, with full utility included as well as relatively well equipped, then it’s gonna go way above most people’s ability to pay.
Same with car or phone. You can find cars that move for around ~4~500 usd here. Doesn’t mean anyone should buy and use those. they are super deep money sinkholes with absolutely 0 reliability. If you count “Afford a car” to the absolute cheapest new car available here, then I’m sure a LOT of people cannot even come close to owning one.
Since when did Turkey become so poor
Feels like a random list where you can’t really compare items with each other.
person 1 cannot:
* pay for rent
* heat their house
* eat proteins regularly
person 2 cannot:
* buy a car (it’s a luxury if you have great public transport)
* go on holiday
* buy a mobile phone
Somehow these 2 persons are considered to be in an equally bad situation according to this graph.
Wonder what happens in groningen
Really curious where this data comes from – it shows Poland as 2-5%, while [official sources](https://stat.gov.pl/files/gfx/portalinformacyjny/pl/defaultaktualnosci/5487/14/8/1/zasieg_ubostwa_ekonomicznego_w_polsce_w_2020_roku.pdf) show that in 2020, over 5% of people in Poland lived in extreme poverty, and about 12% in relative poverty. “Relative poverty” in this context means living off less than $195/month/person, which seems a lot worse than “can’t afford a car and a vacation”.
What a useless map. To equate going on holiday to warming up your home or paying rent lol.