Is this the plot twist now? They’re landlords as well 😲.
I rang up the council a few years back looking for them to do an inspection for a property that wasn’t registered.
I asked if it was correct that they would do it if I told them to and they said yes.
She asked who the landlord was and hung up as soon as I said the name.
I called back and she just told me she had no idea what I was talking about and that they don’t do inspections for private properties.
It should be 4k fine, per year, per apartment or house.
Like many laws, totally not enforced enough.
Recently had to report an unregistered tenancy – neighbours been harassing us and their kids terrorising our old cats. Couldn’t file a dispute since the tenancy wasn’t registered. RTB refused to provide further information after I lodged the report but told me they give the landlord plenty of opportunity to register before going ahead with fines or court.
Just reeks of “please register… Go onnn… I’ll be your friend”.
This particular tenancy has been unregistered for 5+ years btw.
Just fluff and filler.
Last time I looked at this, the “late fee” for not registering is €90 (can go up to €4000 plus legal fees)
So that means about 44 landlords have been fined (at most)…
We must have some very compliant landlords in this country /s
My landlord actually did add us to RTB. Like we got a letter to ring in about it and everything. He had set it up for us the day we moved it. Which was the first time in 10 years that I ever had a landlord who was properly registered with them. Very nice surprise
Why does the tenancy have to be renewed every year though? Why can’t it just be when the status changes?
Ireland severely lacks enforcement and accountability
Recently my letting agency called me up to get details to register me, I’m here six years. She let slip some comment complaining about the tax office wanting all kinds of details… so my landlady got done for not paying taxes perhaps?
Same with so many other things. What’s the point in having rules in place for rental accommodation, or employment rights, or traffic regulations if there’s rarely any action taken against those that break them. The *ah sure it’ll be grand* attitude we have here just leads to people getting screwed over.
Lazy shites
Many years ago I was renting a house for college with a few other students. The place was not in great condition at the end of the year but we cleaned it up and even did some painting. The letting agent still took all of our deposits on behalf of the landlord because he was a slimy bastard.
I didn’t like that so I looked up what Threshold recommended. I eventually found out that the house wasn’t registered and wanted to report him but none of the rest of the people renting the house wanted to. They were too worried that they’d be blacklisted by the letting agent and wouldn’t find anywhere else to rent. It still pisses me off I didn’t do it anyway. What’s more annoying I told him that I was going to report him and he said something like “but it’s not just this house, it would effect several other properties as well”. A pretty stupid admission to someone who he’s just taken money from.
Question, friend of mine was recently illegally evicted from a house they’d been renting for years (they found a place luckily but now want to follow up and report). No RTB register as far as they know. If they report the landlord to revenue would they be in trouble regarding tax? They paid their rent monthly but presumably the landlord hasn’t been paying tax on it, they want to know are they liable in any way? Anyone know? Not sure myself.
would making it so that if the landlord had to repay the rent (backdated to the first payment) to the tenant seeing as it was not a full legal rental do anything to stop this?
Its ignored by the landlords. The government dont want to enforce it because A. They are landlords themselves, why make life harder” B. They are terrified actually enforcing regulation will cause more landlords to quit and they may actually have to get up off there arses and do something about the rental disaster in this country
It is not just Ireland, same in the UK — lots of landlords make their rents entirely tax-free, and then of course all profits on capital gains for owner-occupiers are tax-free too, legally. If a big block of right-wing voters don’t want to pay taxes, which party would dare to force them to?
In the USA same: many voters there are outraged that the vastly understaffed IRS there is getting more inspectors for example here is the author of Dilbert and blogger:
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1558803665753763841>
> «Scott Adams @ScottAdamsSays · Aug 14
> What percentage of small American businesses do you believe could survive an audit by Biden’s new army of auditors and stay in business? I’d put the number at around 20%. In my experience, 80% of small businesses would be cash-negative if they had to pay their taxes.»
In both Ireland and the UK property owners are the single largest block, and most MPs and party local officials are property owners (many of them landlords too). Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas.
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Is this the plot twist now? They’re landlords as well 😲.
I rang up the council a few years back looking for them to do an inspection for a property that wasn’t registered.
I asked if it was correct that they would do it if I told them to and they said yes.
She asked who the landlord was and hung up as soon as I said the name.
I called back and she just told me she had no idea what I was talking about and that they don’t do inspections for private properties.
It should be 4k fine, per year, per apartment or house.
Like many laws, totally not enforced enough.
Recently had to report an unregistered tenancy – neighbours been harassing us and their kids terrorising our old cats. Couldn’t file a dispute since the tenancy wasn’t registered. RTB refused to provide further information after I lodged the report but told me they give the landlord plenty of opportunity to register before going ahead with fines or court.
Just reeks of “please register… Go onnn… I’ll be your friend”.
This particular tenancy has been unregistered for 5+ years btw.
Just fluff and filler.
Last time I looked at this, the “late fee” for not registering is €90 (can go up to €4000 plus legal fees)
So that means about 44 landlords have been fined (at most)…
We must have some very compliant landlords in this country /s
My landlord actually did add us to RTB. Like we got a letter to ring in about it and everything. He had set it up for us the day we moved it. Which was the first time in 10 years that I ever had a landlord who was properly registered with them. Very nice surprise
Why does the tenancy have to be renewed every year though? Why can’t it just be when the status changes?
Ireland severely lacks enforcement and accountability
Recently my letting agency called me up to get details to register me, I’m here six years. She let slip some comment complaining about the tax office wanting all kinds of details… so my landlady got done for not paying taxes perhaps?
Same with so many other things. What’s the point in having rules in place for rental accommodation, or employment rights, or traffic regulations if there’s rarely any action taken against those that break them. The *ah sure it’ll be grand* attitude we have here just leads to people getting screwed over.
Lazy shites
Many years ago I was renting a house for college with a few other students. The place was not in great condition at the end of the year but we cleaned it up and even did some painting. The letting agent still took all of our deposits on behalf of the landlord because he was a slimy bastard.
I didn’t like that so I looked up what Threshold recommended. I eventually found out that the house wasn’t registered and wanted to report him but none of the rest of the people renting the house wanted to. They were too worried that they’d be blacklisted by the letting agent and wouldn’t find anywhere else to rent. It still pisses me off I didn’t do it anyway. What’s more annoying I told him that I was going to report him and he said something like “but it’s not just this house, it would effect several other properties as well”. A pretty stupid admission to someone who he’s just taken money from.
Question, friend of mine was recently illegally evicted from a house they’d been renting for years (they found a place luckily but now want to follow up and report). No RTB register as far as they know. If they report the landlord to revenue would they be in trouble regarding tax? They paid their rent monthly but presumably the landlord hasn’t been paying tax on it, they want to know are they liable in any way? Anyone know? Not sure myself.
would making it so that if the landlord had to repay the rent (backdated to the first payment) to the tenant seeing as it was not a full legal rental do anything to stop this?
Its ignored by the landlords. The government dont want to enforce it because A. They are landlords themselves, why make life harder” B. They are terrified actually enforcing regulation will cause more landlords to quit and they may actually have to get up off there arses and do something about the rental disaster in this country
It is not just Ireland, same in the UK — lots of landlords make their rents entirely tax-free, and then of course all profits on capital gains for owner-occupiers are tax-free too, legally. If a big block of right-wing voters don’t want to pay taxes, which party would dare to force them to?
In the USA same: many voters there are outraged that the vastly understaffed IRS there is getting more inspectors for example here is the author of Dilbert and blogger:
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1558803665753763841>
> «Scott Adams @ScottAdamsSays · Aug 14
> What percentage of small American businesses do you believe could survive an audit by Biden’s new army of auditors and stay in business? I’d put the number at around 20%. In my experience, 80% of small businesses would be cash-negative if they had to pay their taxes.»
In both Ireland and the UK property owners are the single largest block, and most MPs and party local officials are property owners (many of them landlords too). Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas.