This country doesn’t care for science or education.
“In March, I was given a great scientific opportunity: a €2.5m grant from the European Research Council (ERC) to study how disease-causing bacteria swap genes with each other to become more infective, or evade treatments such as antibiotics…
…But just a few weeks later I was informed that …because the UK failed to negotiate an agreement to remain in the EU’s Horizon Europe funding programme – which it had previously committed to doing – my grant, along with those of 142 other UK-based scientists, couldn’t be taken up in this country…
…I began speaking with EU-based universities about moving the research programme, but there are eight to 10 other scientists working under me in my own lab….and moving to France or Spain, even part-time, would disrupt much more than just this one research project.
Ultimately I did not move, and so I lost the money….”
Yeah but who needs experts and science as long as we have blue passports.
Sort of amazing that Permanent Decline and Poor Governance is the explicit policy of the Tory party now…and that their members seem fine with it.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again… Fuck brexit and fuck those who voted for it.
I’m honestly starting to wonder if we are witnessing the United Kingdom just straight up plunge in real-time, and if we will be looking back in hindsight in 20 years saying we could have moved to XYZ country and had a significantly better life.
Can’t UK replace the funding? Isn’t it the government aspiration to become a science superpower?
ERC is known as the Nobel Prize machine too. Pity, I am sure it would have been an excellent project with a lot of benefits down the line. This kind of Horizon funding got mRNA off the ground about 10 years ago and now it’s a pandemic-buster and much more besides.
British science helped us get the COVID vaccine out far quicker than we would normally expect. The Tories will never care but they might pretend to do so if the public cares more itself. People think science does not impact their daily life, despite it being vital for healthcare, infrastructure and agriculture; science touches people’s daily life in ways they could not conceive of. It will also help us navigate climate change. As technology progresses and the challenges facing the world increases, we will need to invest more in research than we ever have. The hard part will be convincing the public it is all worth it.
It was the EU that blocked the funding ……because the U.K. will not do exactly as it says.
There’s the good old lovely EU for you.
Those with Stockholm syndrome feel free to downvote away
BTW – numerous EU academics have been imploring the EU not to do this ….
How much are the EU grants to the UK and how much has the UK contributed to the EU funds?
Does anyone have the numbers?
Look at InnovateUK grants, they scale to this level of spend.
anyone seen any of the benefits of Brexit yet? Are they in the room with us now?
NHS £500 million a week better off?
You have clapped and cheered for the fat guy with the messy hair who sold you that.
Try to forget your just mindless cattle 😉
My entire job in the UK, relied entirely on EU smart city grants for the Manchester area.
Needless to say. I quit my job 1.5 year after the ref, as I could see where it was heading.
I now live and work in Denmark. All though this time, not relying on EU grants.
yeah but, ImMiGrAnTs InIt
It’s okay because the people who voted for Brexit are not Scientists so who needs it.
Honestly. I welcome this aspect of brexit.
Academia is a pyramid scheme for the barons at the top and untouchable professors flogging dead horses.
Most degrees aren’t getting people into good well paying jobs. Yes, good education. But the behaviour of many of these universities towards school leavers has gotten beyond a joke now.
They’ve turned A level students into packaged debt..
Science has fallen far from the great apple tree it once was in the time of Einstein/Dirac and Heisenberg.
Yeah but we’ve got our blue passports back!! Rule Britannia!!
Jesus Christ this Reddit is so one sided, it’s insane, not that I have any thought towards either side, but I doubt anyone will comment to counter, because this place is full of people who clearly are remainers. My instincts say that’s not entirely healthy.
I usually look for oppositional views or counter arguments to get a rounded perspective, on a subject I don’t know much about, but I’m not finding that here.
I think that’s quite dangerous.
I’m in the IT space. not sure how much funding the EU was giving for this sort of stuff but i can imagine it will be a lot. I voted against Brexit for this reason.
Well technically this has come about from inaction on the part of the EU and the UK. Besides, how do we know that the EU would’ve made good on funding anyway, what with the unforeseen economic pressures caused by the war in Ukraine?
Guy i used to work with had a son that was a researcher. From what i gather 90% of the funding came from the EU.
Guess which way the dad voted?
Then has the cheek to moan about how his son is struggling for work.
While in Europe our roads disintegrated a nepotism is still going on jobs for the family it’s corrupt 1 prime minister owns all farm land in 1 country paid for by us labour ex leaders son never had a job but now in our parliament it’s a sick society you will see
Well their plan to makes us all Serfs and take us back to the dark ages is working so far. Not sure the need for science is in their evil plan for us all to be begging the land owners for scraps.
What happens when the NHS is finished being eaten from the inside by contractors? Are we gonna go back to leaving sickly children in the woods for the fairies to adopt?
Actually, the EU refused to honour the participation in Horizon negotiated in the withdrawal agreement. They offered the grants in full knowledge they would be withdrawn. Sorry you got caught up in it but better you know the kind of bullying organisation they are.
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This country doesn’t care for science or education.
“In March, I was given a great scientific opportunity: a €2.5m grant from the European Research Council (ERC) to study how disease-causing bacteria swap genes with each other to become more infective, or evade treatments such as antibiotics…
…But just a few weeks later I was informed that …because the UK failed to negotiate an agreement to remain in the EU’s Horizon Europe funding programme – which it had previously committed to doing – my grant, along with those of 142 other UK-based scientists, couldn’t be taken up in this country…
…I began speaking with EU-based universities about moving the research programme, but there are eight to 10 other scientists working under me in my own lab….and moving to France or Spain, even part-time, would disrupt much more than just this one research project.
Ultimately I did not move, and so I lost the money….”
Yeah but who needs experts and science as long as we have blue passports.
Sort of amazing that Permanent Decline and Poor Governance is the explicit policy of the Tory party now…and that their members seem fine with it.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again… Fuck brexit and fuck those who voted for it.
I’m honestly starting to wonder if we are witnessing the United Kingdom just straight up plunge in real-time, and if we will be looking back in hindsight in 20 years saying we could have moved to XYZ country and had a significantly better life.
Can’t UK replace the funding? Isn’t it the government aspiration to become a science superpower?
ERC is known as the Nobel Prize machine too. Pity, I am sure it would have been an excellent project with a lot of benefits down the line. This kind of Horizon funding got mRNA off the ground about 10 years ago and now it’s a pandemic-buster and much more besides.
British science helped us get the COVID vaccine out far quicker than we would normally expect. The Tories will never care but they might pretend to do so if the public cares more itself. People think science does not impact their daily life, despite it being vital for healthcare, infrastructure and agriculture; science touches people’s daily life in ways they could not conceive of. It will also help us navigate climate change. As technology progresses and the challenges facing the world increases, we will need to invest more in research than we ever have. The hard part will be convincing the public it is all worth it.
It was the EU that blocked the funding ……because the U.K. will not do exactly as it says.
There’s the good old lovely EU for you.
Those with Stockholm syndrome feel free to downvote away
BTW – numerous EU academics have been imploring the EU not to do this ….
How much are the EU grants to the UK and how much has the UK contributed to the EU funds?
Does anyone have the numbers?
Look at InnovateUK grants, they scale to this level of spend.
anyone seen any of the benefits of Brexit yet? Are they in the room with us now?
NHS £500 million a week better off?
You have clapped and cheered for the fat guy with the messy hair who sold you that.
Try to forget your just mindless cattle 😉
My entire job in the UK, relied entirely on EU smart city grants for the Manchester area.
Needless to say. I quit my job 1.5 year after the ref, as I could see where it was heading.
I now live and work in Denmark. All though this time, not relying on EU grants.
yeah but, ImMiGrAnTs InIt
It’s okay because the people who voted for Brexit are not Scientists so who needs it.
Honestly. I welcome this aspect of brexit.
Academia is a pyramid scheme for the barons at the top and untouchable professors flogging dead horses.
Most degrees aren’t getting people into good well paying jobs. Yes, good education. But the behaviour of many of these universities towards school leavers has gotten beyond a joke now.
They’ve turned A level students into packaged debt..
Science has fallen far from the great apple tree it once was in the time of Einstein/Dirac and Heisenberg.
Yeah but we’ve got our blue passports back!! Rule Britannia!!
Jesus Christ this Reddit is so one sided, it’s insane, not that I have any thought towards either side, but I doubt anyone will comment to counter, because this place is full of people who clearly are remainers. My instincts say that’s not entirely healthy.
I usually look for oppositional views or counter arguments to get a rounded perspective, on a subject I don’t know much about, but I’m not finding that here.
I think that’s quite dangerous.
I’m in the IT space. not sure how much funding the EU was giving for this sort of stuff but i can imagine it will be a lot. I voted against Brexit for this reason.
Well technically this has come about from inaction on the part of the EU and the UK. Besides, how do we know that the EU would’ve made good on funding anyway, what with the unforeseen economic pressures caused by the war in Ukraine?
Guy i used to work with had a son that was a researcher. From what i gather 90% of the funding came from the EU.
Guess which way the dad voted?
Then has the cheek to moan about how his son is struggling for work.
While in Europe our roads disintegrated a nepotism is still going on jobs for the family it’s corrupt 1 prime minister owns all farm land in 1 country paid for by us labour ex leaders son never had a job but now in our parliament it’s a sick society you will see
Well their plan to makes us all Serfs and take us back to the dark ages is working so far. Not sure the need for science is in their evil plan for us all to be begging the land owners for scraps.
What happens when the NHS is finished being eaten from the inside by contractors? Are we gonna go back to leaving sickly children in the woods for the fairies to adopt?
Actually, the EU refused to honour the participation in Horizon negotiated in the withdrawal agreement. They offered the grants in full knowledge they would be withdrawn. Sorry you got caught up in it but better you know the kind of bullying organisation they are.