>it’s ironic that our Government seems to be purposely trying to drive out the next generation of adults.
Not that ironic, happens every generation, dilutes the young vote and keeps FFG in town, only thing has changed is that the go to places, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the UK are also in crisis for accommodation
Yeah she’s right only it extends to people above 30 too.
“So, we can’t afford a car, we can’t afford rent in the city. We can’t get around. We have nowhere to live. We can’t plan a life or look to a prosperous future. What are our options? Leave.”
Pretty much. And then you see that the world is so much better and also a fair bit worse than you expect. But at least you get a roof over your head, a vehicle to get around in and a chance to live independently with a night out or two a week. Ireland doesn’t have that and hasn’t had that since 2011 when rent was dirt cheap from the recession.
I honestly don’t know where to begin with that piece.
>The generation ahead of us are quick to judge. There’s a degrading sense of disapproval that lingers.
Lol. How self centered can you get. Most of the generation ahead of you aren’t even thinking of you. That generation are doing their best to manage their dependents, children and others, amongst rising costs.
Edit: Welp. This went down like a lead balloon
“Our bosses tell us we are too inexperienced to be given the same salary as somebody our senior”
Yes
I get the sentiment but that’s a dreadful article.
I think as well, we have no unions, no pensions, nobody fighting for a better situation. We crack sarcastic jokes instead of making real change. We are just expected to job hop for better wages because employers pay as little as humanly possible. No such thing as secure jobs. We are a generation left behind and forgotten. We need to vote.
Seems a bit mad tbh, I’ve no idea how a make up artist and nail technician in a town of 5k people expects to earn enough for a mortgage. 24k is honestly about double what I would have guessed that job in that location to make.
Some good points but mostly comes off as a massive whinge
>Forget trying to save for a mortgage. Twenty-two year-olds walking out the university door to jobs paying €24,000 a year; to put food on the table, run a car, enjoy life, pay rent, survive (barely).
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>The generation ahead of us are quick to judge. There’s a degrading sense of disapproval that lingers. We sense it in the workplace and at home. Our parents wonder if we will ever move out and get on with our lives. Our bosses tell us we are too inexperienced to be given the same salary as somebody our senior
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I get the sentiment but WTF is this utter tripe? I am someone who is half a generation ahead in that I’ve managed to buy a small, 3-bed mid-terrace house, married, kids etc. I have been screaming until I’m blue in the face that we need to build more (and honestly most of the pushback on that comes from people like the author of this article, who think this one simple trick will solve the housing crisis), but I have my own life to live and I don’t give a second of my time judging anyone, unless they write an article like this admittedly.
24k doesn’t sound like a normal grad salary. I was on more than that as a grad a decade+ ago. And at 22 you are obviously at the lowest point of your earnings in your professional life. Does she expect to stroll into a job and get paid as if she’s 10 years of experience? Gain some experience and you’ll get paid for it ffs, I am all for people getting paid but you have to make something happen for yourself.
As for the notion you should leave college and instantly start trying to buy a house, just no. This hasn’t been a thing since we turned into a services based economy.
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And finally, as for the only option is to leave, the govt are purposefully trying to drive us away (a truly demented line of thought), where are you going to go? What western country isn’t suffering very similar problems to Ireland at the moment?
We need more rental property, on a massive scale. Of all price points, of all sizes, market rate apartments, 1 beds, BTR, co-living, cost-rental, social, everything. Some of the people most resistant to this are the people suffering the most from its absence.
Ireland is the sow that eats her marrow
The grandparents generation must realise it is their failure. It is time they accepted that their blind loyalty to FFG is destroying the future of their grandchildren. This article needs to be followed by a flood of similar messages to those over 50. Step back. If you have any regard for children and grandchildren, step back.
I’m 35. Got married this year. Heading into my second recession. I have a masters, I have worked 2-3 jobs most of my adult life. I am moving back to my parents house this year to save for a mortgage with a full time job in tech and a decent salary. My husband and I can’t afford to rent a house to ourselves, we have been sharing with (awesome) roommates for the last 4 years. My parents tell me when they bought their house they both worked and saved and rented and still went out once or twice a week. That sounds like an absolute fantasy to me. The cost of everything is astronomical. Running a car, bills, healthcare etc. I can’t imagine ever being secure enough financially to have children. I am so frustrated with the whole thing I could scream. I am really fortunate and extremely privileged and am in this situation, others have it way way worse than me and don’t have the option to move home to save or have the education I have. There’s a whole generation of us who couldn’t go back to study or get jobs when we were in our late teens and early 20’s due to the recession and other being ‘more qualified’ etc. We are on the back foot and constantly falling further.
place is a shit hole. why the fuck would any young person stay here. what’s fucking here for them ?
Im broke after paying my bills & rent every month and having a single night out around payday. Cant afford to go on a holiday get a car up and running or do anything else fulfilling…..destroying my soul
Every single generation is drowning in the sea of disregard by the government.
Because young people don’t vote, and especially don’t vote for the government parties of FFG.
Young people in Ireland get utterly shafted in so many ways because they simply aren’t a cohesive voting block like older people are. I’ve seen it so many times over the years where people just refuse to vote and yet still complain about things. And often these are well educated people in decent jobs.
As far as I’m concerned, if you don’t even make an attempt to vote you don’t get to complain.
Because the Government is the problem
I read the full article. I’m in Ireland on holiday. I’ve read up and understand the cause of the housing market problems. What is the cause of everything else being expensive?
Lots of my dads mates in their 60s still renting…
22 and hating every minute of being in this shithole. I have genuinely never seen a single year of this country being successful and it feels completely, absolutely hopeless to me.
Fuck-ing-vote you fuckers.
I was thinking today a lot of older generations near me have become really horrible lately. But it is not just near me. A lot of them seem intent on pulling the ladder up after them. One objected and organised others to object to a house being built opposite him, spoiling his view. He nearly went nuts when someone tried to do the same to his son when they building their house. Proud trade Union man.
Same with a business man who made a lot of money during Celtic tiger era is launching court cases over right of ways to land he bought. Always has a suspicious amount of cash available.
But is happening in towns as well, sometimes I think the Irish systems and even country doesn’t seem to be equipped to deal with a country when most of the next generation don’t leave, no matter what your political leanings are. But I know the problems were there before.
We need to be willing to do three things to have any kind of power
Protest; it’s the kind of temporary show of force that makes governments take notice, it makes the problem real
Strike; a week of strikes can be crippling to a company, a week of a general strike can cripple a state
Vote; if you don’t vote you don’t get counted. I know lots of people go “oh what’s the point I’m only one person” fucking no, you’re one of hundreds of thousands who say the same thing, if all of you cunts voted you’d absolutely sway an election
Protest and Strikes don’t necessarily help for some of the problems we have, but voting would absolutely be effective at any point, the problem is not enough of us actually fucking vote
It’s like bemoaning the fact that we haven’t won the lottery without buying a ticket. Fucking vote
Its ironic that this is published in the Irish Times who facilitate them every step of the way by repeating and engaging in their theatrical games in a seemingly serious manor.
Protest has been far too tame for too long, that’s all I’m saying
The official ECB rate is nil. Fixed interest rates on Irish mortgages (1-3 year duration) per CBI statistics have declined from 4.49% in Dec 2014 to 2.66% in June 2022
I feel you and I’m 38.
Similar thing’s happening in the States, but it’s mainly in the big cities. One of the big problems is that all the expensive shit is actually giving the government more money. And, not surprisingly, they really like the money. They don’t care if it alienates an entire generation. They don’t care if they’re creating a new super class division. They don’t care if a few corporations and the 1% own all the houses and apartment complexes and can basically charge whatever they want for rent or house payments. The kicker is that the 1% and the corporations can raise the property values themselves because, well, they can. They go into a shitty neighborhood, buy a shit house, renovate it, then sell it at a huge markup. All the shit houses next to that one are now “worth more” because they’re next to the renovated house. Prices go up, rinse, repeat.
The Government in 20 years: “Why are the young people not having any kids? The population is declining!”
Imagine the country if we had a government who cared!
My sixth great grandfather left Scotland when the English took the Highlands to raise “their” sheep. He settled in Canada. In those days, the wealthy were stealing everything in sight in Scotland and Ireland. So, why would it be any different today? Why would it be different in any country then or now? It isn’t. So the solution was to go where there was so much opportunity the wealthy couldn’t take it all: Canada or America. One of my cousins on my father’s side eventually moved to America. His name was Daniel Petrie. He went there with nothing and became a Hollywood Director. For his movies, he was knighted, Sir Daniel Mannix Petrie. His entire family is in the movie business and lives the high-life. That part of the family could go back to Scotland and buy the Highlands. I guess I’m trying to tell yas – don’t wait for it to happen. Good Luck Ádh mór
We applied for the housing list they said to wait 5 years. 5 years later they said another 10 years. That’s 15 years!
Where is this sea of disregard? I want to know so I can avoid it on my holidays.
I’m 35 and left 8 years ago. I’d like to come back but not if I have to rent as from what I’ve rent landlords are just extorting people all while saying there is no money in it due to the high rate of tax.
I’d say the absence of a normal future would do that. Young people will barely be able to afford a family and even at that it will only be one child which wont be enough to sustain the country.
Politicians seem to think ‘oh we can rely in fdi, ‘green’ policy, immigration and German bailouts forever. If so we are well and truly fucked. Nice knowing you guys.
Irelands greatest export is young high skilled workers
They’ve been saying this for so long.
I stopped being a young person a few years ago, but everything else remained the same.
I emigrated in 2019 at 22 to Canada because I was beginning to see the shitshow that was unfolding. because of COVID, I ended up having to move home due to visa complications. now 3 years later I’m 25 living at home with my parents. I have an okay job but after rent, expenses, and saving for a car/insurance I’m left with around 300 a month discretionary. I realize that although I don’t pay through the roof for rent, How on earth is any young person in Ireland who does supposed to make a life for themselves here? under 4000 a year to spare/save?? they say you need 10-20% down for a house, with the average house prices nearing 400k what the fuck are we supposed to do? we can’t live independent lives because we lie under someone else’s roof/rules. we can’t socialize because we’re all broke after fuel/bills/expenses. we cry for help and we get told to suck it up and stop paying for avocados coffee and Netflix. We go out to vote and try to make a difference and the country just votes the same people who’ve ruined our generation’s prospects in again and again. our country has abandoned us. I take no pride in saying this, in fact it brings me to tears to, but; it’s no wonder Ireland has been plagued by emigration and youth suicide.
Remember years ago some people laughed when me and the missus bought our 3 bedroom council houses in Glasgow for £19000,paid it of in 2 years, worth £90000 now but could buy fuck all if we sold it,hate to be young now, the whole place is fucked
The younger generation back home in Brazil is facing the exact same issue, but I believe in a more intense way considering that the inequality and wage gaps in Brazil are way higher than in Ireland.
Funny thing is, I actually moved to Ireland to have a better life quality, which I certainly have. But when reading the article and seeing that the author mentioned that one of the possible solutions for Ireland’s current issues is to leave, I asked myself what ft am I going to do ? lol
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Bad timing with that title 🤦♀️
>it’s ironic that our Government seems to be purposely trying to drive out the next generation of adults.
Not that ironic, happens every generation, dilutes the young vote and keeps FFG in town, only thing has changed is that the go to places, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the UK are also in crisis for accommodation
Yeah she’s right only it extends to people above 30 too.
“So, we can’t afford a car, we can’t afford rent in the city. We can’t get around. We have nowhere to live. We can’t plan a life or look to a prosperous future. What are our options? Leave.”
Pretty much. And then you see that the world is so much better and also a fair bit worse than you expect. But at least you get a roof over your head, a vehicle to get around in and a chance to live independently with a night out or two a week. Ireland doesn’t have that and hasn’t had that since 2011 when rent was dirt cheap from the recession.
I honestly don’t know where to begin with that piece.
>The generation ahead of us are quick to judge. There’s a degrading sense of disapproval that lingers.
Lol. How self centered can you get. Most of the generation ahead of you aren’t even thinking of you. That generation are doing their best to manage their dependents, children and others, amongst rising costs.
Edit: Welp. This went down like a lead balloon
“Our bosses tell us we are too inexperienced to be given the same salary as somebody our senior”
Yes
I get the sentiment but that’s a dreadful article.
I think as well, we have no unions, no pensions, nobody fighting for a better situation. We crack sarcastic jokes instead of making real change. We are just expected to job hop for better wages because employers pay as little as humanly possible. No such thing as secure jobs. We are a generation left behind and forgotten. We need to vote.
Seems a bit mad tbh, I’ve no idea how a make up artist and nail technician in a town of 5k people expects to earn enough for a mortgage. 24k is honestly about double what I would have guessed that job in that location to make.
Some good points but mostly comes off as a massive whinge
>Forget trying to save for a mortgage. Twenty-two year-olds walking out the university door to jobs paying €24,000 a year; to put food on the table, run a car, enjoy life, pay rent, survive (barely).
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>The generation ahead of us are quick to judge. There’s a degrading sense of disapproval that lingers. We sense it in the workplace and at home. Our parents wonder if we will ever move out and get on with our lives. Our bosses tell us we are too inexperienced to be given the same salary as somebody our senior
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I get the sentiment but WTF is this utter tripe? I am someone who is half a generation ahead in that I’ve managed to buy a small, 3-bed mid-terrace house, married, kids etc. I have been screaming until I’m blue in the face that we need to build more (and honestly most of the pushback on that comes from people like the author of this article, who think this one simple trick will solve the housing crisis), but I have my own life to live and I don’t give a second of my time judging anyone, unless they write an article like this admittedly.
24k doesn’t sound like a normal grad salary. I was on more than that as a grad a decade+ ago. And at 22 you are obviously at the lowest point of your earnings in your professional life. Does she expect to stroll into a job and get paid as if she’s 10 years of experience? Gain some experience and you’ll get paid for it ffs, I am all for people getting paid but you have to make something happen for yourself.
As for the notion you should leave college and instantly start trying to buy a house, just no. This hasn’t been a thing since we turned into a services based economy.
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And finally, as for the only option is to leave, the govt are purposefully trying to drive us away (a truly demented line of thought), where are you going to go? What western country isn’t suffering very similar problems to Ireland at the moment?
We need more rental property, on a massive scale. Of all price points, of all sizes, market rate apartments, 1 beds, BTR, co-living, cost-rental, social, everything. Some of the people most resistant to this are the people suffering the most from its absence.
Ireland is the sow that eats her marrow
The grandparents generation must realise it is their failure. It is time they accepted that their blind loyalty to FFG is destroying the future of their grandchildren. This article needs to be followed by a flood of similar messages to those over 50. Step back. If you have any regard for children and grandchildren, step back.
I’m 35. Got married this year. Heading into my second recession. I have a masters, I have worked 2-3 jobs most of my adult life. I am moving back to my parents house this year to save for a mortgage with a full time job in tech and a decent salary. My husband and I can’t afford to rent a house to ourselves, we have been sharing with (awesome) roommates for the last 4 years. My parents tell me when they bought their house they both worked and saved and rented and still went out once or twice a week. That sounds like an absolute fantasy to me. The cost of everything is astronomical. Running a car, bills, healthcare etc. I can’t imagine ever being secure enough financially to have children. I am so frustrated with the whole thing I could scream. I am really fortunate and extremely privileged and am in this situation, others have it way way worse than me and don’t have the option to move home to save or have the education I have. There’s a whole generation of us who couldn’t go back to study or get jobs when we were in our late teens and early 20’s due to the recession and other being ‘more qualified’ etc. We are on the back foot and constantly falling further.
place is a shit hole. why the fuck would any young person stay here. what’s fucking here for them ?
Im broke after paying my bills & rent every month and having a single night out around payday. Cant afford to go on a holiday get a car up and running or do anything else fulfilling…..destroying my soul
Every single generation is drowning in the sea of disregard by the government.
Because young people don’t vote, and especially don’t vote for the government parties of FFG.
Young people in Ireland get utterly shafted in so many ways because they simply aren’t a cohesive voting block like older people are. I’ve seen it so many times over the years where people just refuse to vote and yet still complain about things. And often these are well educated people in decent jobs.
As far as I’m concerned, if you don’t even make an attempt to vote you don’t get to complain.
Because the Government is the problem
I read the full article. I’m in Ireland on holiday. I’ve read up and understand the cause of the housing market problems. What is the cause of everything else being expensive?
Lots of my dads mates in their 60s still renting…
22 and hating every minute of being in this shithole. I have genuinely never seen a single year of this country being successful and it feels completely, absolutely hopeless to me.
Fuck-ing-vote you fuckers.
I was thinking today a lot of older generations near me have become really horrible lately. But it is not just near me. A lot of them seem intent on pulling the ladder up after them. One objected and organised others to object to a house being built opposite him, spoiling his view. He nearly went nuts when someone tried to do the same to his son when they building their house. Proud trade Union man.
Same with a business man who made a lot of money during Celtic tiger era is launching court cases over right of ways to land he bought. Always has a suspicious amount of cash available.
But is happening in towns as well, sometimes I think the Irish systems and even country doesn’t seem to be equipped to deal with a country when most of the next generation don’t leave, no matter what your political leanings are. But I know the problems were there before.
We need to be willing to do three things to have any kind of power
Protest; it’s the kind of temporary show of force that makes governments take notice, it makes the problem real
Strike; a week of strikes can be crippling to a company, a week of a general strike can cripple a state
Vote; if you don’t vote you don’t get counted. I know lots of people go “oh what’s the point I’m only one person” fucking no, you’re one of hundreds of thousands who say the same thing, if all of you cunts voted you’d absolutely sway an election
Protest and Strikes don’t necessarily help for some of the problems we have, but voting would absolutely be effective at any point, the problem is not enough of us actually fucking vote
It’s like bemoaning the fact that we haven’t won the lottery without buying a ticket. Fucking vote
Its ironic that this is published in the Irish Times who facilitate them every step of the way by repeating and engaging in their theatrical games in a seemingly serious manor.
Protest has been far too tame for too long, that’s all I’m saying
The official ECB rate is nil. Fixed interest rates on Irish mortgages (1-3 year duration) per CBI statistics have declined from 4.49% in Dec 2014 to 2.66% in June 2022
I feel you and I’m 38.
Similar thing’s happening in the States, but it’s mainly in the big cities. One of the big problems is that all the expensive shit is actually giving the government more money. And, not surprisingly, they really like the money. They don’t care if it alienates an entire generation. They don’t care if they’re creating a new super class division. They don’t care if a few corporations and the 1% own all the houses and apartment complexes and can basically charge whatever they want for rent or house payments. The kicker is that the 1% and the corporations can raise the property values themselves because, well, they can. They go into a shitty neighborhood, buy a shit house, renovate it, then sell it at a huge markup. All the shit houses next to that one are now “worth more” because they’re next to the renovated house. Prices go up, rinse, repeat.
The Government in 20 years: “Why are the young people not having any kids? The population is declining!”
Imagine the country if we had a government who cared!
My sixth great grandfather left Scotland when the English took the Highlands to raise “their” sheep. He settled in Canada. In those days, the wealthy were stealing everything in sight in Scotland and Ireland. So, why would it be any different today? Why would it be different in any country then or now? It isn’t. So the solution was to go where there was so much opportunity the wealthy couldn’t take it all: Canada or America. One of my cousins on my father’s side eventually moved to America. His name was Daniel Petrie. He went there with nothing and became a Hollywood Director. For his movies, he was knighted, Sir Daniel Mannix Petrie. His entire family is in the movie business and lives the high-life. That part of the family could go back to Scotland and buy the Highlands. I guess I’m trying to tell yas – don’t wait for it to happen. Good Luck Ádh mór
We applied for the housing list they said to wait 5 years. 5 years later they said another 10 years. That’s 15 years!
Where is this sea of disregard? I want to know so I can avoid it on my holidays.
I’m 35 and left 8 years ago. I’d like to come back but not if I have to rent as from what I’ve rent landlords are just extorting people all while saying there is no money in it due to the high rate of tax.
I’d say the absence of a normal future would do that. Young people will barely be able to afford a family and even at that it will only be one child which wont be enough to sustain the country.
Politicians seem to think ‘oh we can rely in fdi, ‘green’ policy, immigration and German bailouts forever. If so we are well and truly fucked. Nice knowing you guys.
Irelands greatest export is young high skilled workers
They’ve been saying this for so long.
I stopped being a young person a few years ago, but everything else remained the same.
I emigrated in 2019 at 22 to Canada because I was beginning to see the shitshow that was unfolding. because of COVID, I ended up having to move home due to visa complications. now 3 years later I’m 25 living at home with my parents. I have an okay job but after rent, expenses, and saving for a car/insurance I’m left with around 300 a month discretionary. I realize that although I don’t pay through the roof for rent, How on earth is any young person in Ireland who does supposed to make a life for themselves here? under 4000 a year to spare/save?? they say you need 10-20% down for a house, with the average house prices nearing 400k what the fuck are we supposed to do? we can’t live independent lives because we lie under someone else’s roof/rules. we can’t socialize because we’re all broke after fuel/bills/expenses. we cry for help and we get told to suck it up and stop paying for avocados coffee and Netflix. We go out to vote and try to make a difference and the country just votes the same people who’ve ruined our generation’s prospects in again and again. our country has abandoned us. I take no pride in saying this, in fact it brings me to tears to, but; it’s no wonder Ireland has been plagued by emigration and youth suicide.
Remember years ago some people laughed when me and the missus bought our 3 bedroom council houses in Glasgow for £19000,paid it of in 2 years, worth £90000 now but could buy fuck all if we sold it,hate to be young now, the whole place is fucked
The younger generation back home in Brazil is facing the exact same issue, but I believe in a more intense way considering that the inequality and wage gaps in Brazil are way higher than in Ireland.
Funny thing is, I actually moved to Ireland to have a better life quality, which I certainly have. But when reading the article and seeing that the author mentioned that one of the possible solutions for Ireland’s current issues is to leave, I asked myself what ft am I going to do ? lol