>Although Lisa believes it’s not a case of officers failing to care. “I got the impression the police believed it was pointless – that nothing will come of it.”
She’s not wrong tbh. There’s no point investigating youth crime because the most that will come of it is a suspended sentence or community resolution (i.e, “promise not to do it again”), and the little shits will be let free to carry on their shitty behaviour.
This article is rage inducing. The police force say they are working on protocols that have been established in a national level. Well those national protocols are not fit for purpose. These kids are feral, a written apology from them is not enough.
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These attackers seem literally feral. Likely receiving little parental attention, and likely because said parents are addicted to their phones (?)
I walked past a couple of teenage boys the other night and was waiting for them to say something (because god forbid they just shut the hell up and leave you alone). One of them said ‘hello’ which I ignored because, from past experience, it doesn’t matter if you answer them or not, they will escalate it in some way. Then a stone was thrown, which didn’t hit me, but if that stone had hit me, if it caught me in the head and I was bleeding, absolutely nothing would be done about it. Yet, if I had retaliated? I was previously bothered for months by a couple of teenage boys while I was walking to work. I knew that they could literally do what they wanted and I would just have to put up with it. It’s the most infuriating feeling. I tried to avoid them if I could, not even because I was scared, but just because you’re powerless to respond in any way and I would get no help if they tried to hurt me- again, I was already getting things thrown at me when they felt like it. I know this thread is about children being attacked and what I mentioned above doesn’t compare. I just wish we all had more protection.
From chorley myself originally. This shit is nothing new, growing up there violence was literally fucking everywhere. I had my head stoved in in the same spot as the kid in the video. Police didn’t do fuck all back then either, because *they don’t give a single fuck about poor people*
12 years of living under the ‘tough on crime’ conservatives, and things are getting if anything worse, it’s almost like they only care about crimes which can effect them and their friends or something
I have dealt with a case that mimics this article. Three kids have beat the shit out of another in the park, leaving her hospitalized.
Over the course of a couple months, I was able to identify all three attackers, get them all interviewed, take a statement from both the victim and the medical staff that treated her, and secure CCTV of the attack.
This girl ended up with a destroyed Iphone (£1000 worth of phone), a swollen face, and bruises all over her body. Following the attack, she moved school, moved house, and attempted suicide as a result of the trauma from the attack.
The CPS decision was to offer a caution to all three attackers, on account of them being under 18 and first time offenders. (A caution carries very little real world penalty). All three suspects refused to accept this, so it ended up going to court, where the three girls all pleaded guilty. Because they went guilty, their sentence was to go to a Youth Offender Team.
The victim was out of pocket £1000, at a new school, a new home, and suffering severe enough trauma to attempt suicide. And the criminal justice systems response was to send the attackers for a telling off from a Youth Offender Officer.
It’s not that police don’t give a fuck about this sort of behavior. It’s that the criminal justice system does everything it can to prevent the criminalization of ‘children’, almost always at the expense of their victims.
This is absurd. Get together, teach them a lesson. If you know who they are, it can’t be that hard. If the cops find you, take the charge.
Or suffer.
Vigilante justice will become the norm across the country
Imagine hearing voluntary caution after your kid is beaten, filmed and plastered online.
That’s why they get away with it, minimal consequences for something so vile is criminal in itself.
Funny how people are saying police should be more harsh on these kids and yet in another thread they would be complaining about police strip searching young offenders with weapons and drugs.
Which one is it?
When I was 14 (15 years ago) my friend and I was the victim of an armed robbery with a knife. I knew they guy and had nothing on us to give anyway, so he got nothing. Fast forward interviews, video line-up, and several months later the kid admitted it just before trial.
He was “banned” from the area and was required to move. Two months later saw him walking down the same road it happened.
Police and justice system have always been shit against under 18 crime. At least the police accept it now, and don’t pretend they’ll help.
In the past there would be a community to hold these kids accountable, now thanks to extreme individualist ideologies there’s no one. Single mothers with men coming and going, deadbeat dads, both parents hooked on drugs. No one is raising these kids.
Seeing this has made my blood boil, I can’t put it into words beyond that.
Clearly not the cops fault…blame the ridiculous legal system we have which essentially means if you are under 18 you are untouchable.
She’s right. They’re a lot less likelier to do something after they have a few teeth broken.
The juxtaposition between the complete lack of police response and the police saying they are proud of their inaction is honestly horrifying. It makes me very angry to read.
Great to see our country’s in such a state that people are so comfortable committing violent crimes that they’re even willing to film themselves. I absolutely dread to think how those victims must feel, or what their attackers will be like in a few years if that’s what they’re like as teenagers.
Kids like this, are like this because they have nothing to fear, no repercussions, nothing, if they hit you or someone else, it’s unlikely they’ll get hit back because of the consequences involved for the retaliator.
I was a bit like this as a young teen, not to this degree but I used to street drink and hassle random people in the street, I picked on the wrong person one day and he fucking battered me, I went home told my dad and he told me I deserved it. I very quickly learned my lesson, never did that again.
I’m not trying to say we should be able to punch teenagers who cause trouble or goad us, or seek retribution if our kids get a beating but the current protocols the police use are absolutely useless, something needs to change, what that is, I’m not sure.
N.b there’s probably something to be said about these kids parents too.
This is depressingly not new, though it does seem to be reaching a breaking point for many finally.
I grew up in inner south London in the 90s and 00s, knife crime, muggings, assaults, harassment etc etc were just a part of your life as a kid.
A friend and I who grew up in the same area later started referring to it as “kids London”. The law doesn’t apply, right and wrong doesn’t apply, just how well you can spot trouble coming and either get away, fight back, or get done in if you failed.
Both of us living life in London as adults said it was surreal how all of a sudden the worst of it just wasn’t part of your day to day anymore. But you struggle to unlearn that hyper vigilance, that sense of constantly assessing threat and taking preventative action. I still struggle to sit with my back to an open room, always subconsciously putting my back to the wall if I can.
It’s a hideous existence to be trapped in, and I’ve no patience for anyone who molly coddles the cunts who subject kids of all ages to a decade or more of terror.
They themselves may be (often are, in fact) victims of abuse and / or neglect at home, or have been victims in the streets before they became the victimisers – but not coming down hard on them does nothing to end that cycle and just surrenders more young people to a life of hyper vigilance and anxiety.
Only a matter of time before perent’s take matters into their own hands to defend their kids.
The police would be better able to respond to the incidents and carry out deterrence patrols, and make the perpetrator’s continuing actions difficult, if the Tories hadn’t cut police numbers.
The CPS and courts would be better able to promptly charge and take more challenging cases to court, and make harder but better decisions, if the Tories hadn’t cut funding for courts and the CPS.
Social Services would better be able to intervene in these kid’s home lives, and even remove them from the home, and work on action plans to get their parents to parent them, if the Tories hadn’t cut funding.
The kids would have more prospects and more things to do, if the Tories hadn’t cut local government funding.
And so on.
There is a group of kids in my town who have, over the last 4 years, smashed empty properties, set cars on fire, attempted to set a bus depot on fire and more recently managed to start a major fire in the old convent.
A mate of mine was involved with one of the targeted projects, I helped him out up anti-vandal paint, board up windows, repair damage etc. We caught the kids on-site on more than one occasion. The police were called and attended, the kids were taken home to their parents.
Rinse, repeat.
They know who they are, they know everything. The convent had CCTV and people in the streets nearby called the police before it started as they saw the kids heading up earlier.
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>Although Lisa believes it’s not a case of officers failing to care. “I got the impression the police believed it was pointless – that nothing will come of it.”
She’s not wrong tbh. There’s no point investigating youth crime because the most that will come of it is a suspended sentence or community resolution (i.e, “promise not to do it again”), and the little shits will be let free to carry on their shitty behaviour.
This article is rage inducing. The police force say they are working on protocols that have been established in a national level. Well those national protocols are not fit for purpose. These kids are feral, a written apology from them is not enough.
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These attackers seem literally feral. Likely receiving little parental attention, and likely because said parents are addicted to their phones (?)
I walked past a couple of teenage boys the other night and was waiting for them to say something (because god forbid they just shut the hell up and leave you alone). One of them said ‘hello’ which I ignored because, from past experience, it doesn’t matter if you answer them or not, they will escalate it in some way. Then a stone was thrown, which didn’t hit me, but if that stone had hit me, if it caught me in the head and I was bleeding, absolutely nothing would be done about it. Yet, if I had retaliated? I was previously bothered for months by a couple of teenage boys while I was walking to work. I knew that they could literally do what they wanted and I would just have to put up with it. It’s the most infuriating feeling. I tried to avoid them if I could, not even because I was scared, but just because you’re powerless to respond in any way and I would get no help if they tried to hurt me- again, I was already getting things thrown at me when they felt like it. I know this thread is about children being attacked and what I mentioned above doesn’t compare. I just wish we all had more protection.
From chorley myself originally. This shit is nothing new, growing up there violence was literally fucking everywhere. I had my head stoved in in the same spot as the kid in the video. Police didn’t do fuck all back then either, because *they don’t give a single fuck about poor people*
12 years of living under the ‘tough on crime’ conservatives, and things are getting if anything worse, it’s almost like they only care about crimes which can effect them and their friends or something
I have dealt with a case that mimics this article. Three kids have beat the shit out of another in the park, leaving her hospitalized.
Over the course of a couple months, I was able to identify all three attackers, get them all interviewed, take a statement from both the victim and the medical staff that treated her, and secure CCTV of the attack.
This girl ended up with a destroyed Iphone (£1000 worth of phone), a swollen face, and bruises all over her body. Following the attack, she moved school, moved house, and attempted suicide as a result of the trauma from the attack.
The CPS decision was to offer a caution to all three attackers, on account of them being under 18 and first time offenders. (A caution carries very little real world penalty). All three suspects refused to accept this, so it ended up going to court, where the three girls all pleaded guilty. Because they went guilty, their sentence was to go to a Youth Offender Team.
The victim was out of pocket £1000, at a new school, a new home, and suffering severe enough trauma to attempt suicide. And the criminal justice systems response was to send the attackers for a telling off from a Youth Offender Officer.
It’s not that police don’t give a fuck about this sort of behavior. It’s that the criminal justice system does everything it can to prevent the criminalization of ‘children’, almost always at the expense of their victims.
This is absurd. Get together, teach them a lesson. If you know who they are, it can’t be that hard. If the cops find you, take the charge.
Or suffer.
Vigilante justice will become the norm across the country
Imagine hearing voluntary caution after your kid is beaten, filmed and plastered online.
That’s why they get away with it, minimal consequences for something so vile is criminal in itself.
Funny how people are saying police should be more harsh on these kids and yet in another thread they would be complaining about police strip searching young offenders with weapons and drugs.
Which one is it?
When I was 14 (15 years ago) my friend and I was the victim of an armed robbery with a knife. I knew they guy and had nothing on us to give anyway, so he got nothing. Fast forward interviews, video line-up, and several months later the kid admitted it just before trial.
He was “banned” from the area and was required to move. Two months later saw him walking down the same road it happened.
Police and justice system have always been shit against under 18 crime. At least the police accept it now, and don’t pretend they’ll help.
In the past there would be a community to hold these kids accountable, now thanks to extreme individualist ideologies there’s no one. Single mothers with men coming and going, deadbeat dads, both parents hooked on drugs. No one is raising these kids.
Seeing this has made my blood boil, I can’t put it into words beyond that.
Clearly not the cops fault…blame the ridiculous legal system we have which essentially means if you are under 18 you are untouchable.
She’s right. They’re a lot less likelier to do something after they have a few teeth broken.
The juxtaposition between the complete lack of police response and the police saying they are proud of their inaction is honestly horrifying. It makes me very angry to read.
Great to see our country’s in such a state that people are so comfortable committing violent crimes that they’re even willing to film themselves. I absolutely dread to think how those victims must feel, or what their attackers will be like in a few years if that’s what they’re like as teenagers.
Kids like this, are like this because they have nothing to fear, no repercussions, nothing, if they hit you or someone else, it’s unlikely they’ll get hit back because of the consequences involved for the retaliator.
I was a bit like this as a young teen, not to this degree but I used to street drink and hassle random people in the street, I picked on the wrong person one day and he fucking battered me, I went home told my dad and he told me I deserved it. I very quickly learned my lesson, never did that again.
I’m not trying to say we should be able to punch teenagers who cause trouble or goad us, or seek retribution if our kids get a beating but the current protocols the police use are absolutely useless, something needs to change, what that is, I’m not sure.
N.b there’s probably something to be said about these kids parents too.
This is depressingly not new, though it does seem to be reaching a breaking point for many finally.
I grew up in inner south London in the 90s and 00s, knife crime, muggings, assaults, harassment etc etc were just a part of your life as a kid.
A friend and I who grew up in the same area later started referring to it as “kids London”. The law doesn’t apply, right and wrong doesn’t apply, just how well you can spot trouble coming and either get away, fight back, or get done in if you failed.
Both of us living life in London as adults said it was surreal how all of a sudden the worst of it just wasn’t part of your day to day anymore. But you struggle to unlearn that hyper vigilance, that sense of constantly assessing threat and taking preventative action. I still struggle to sit with my back to an open room, always subconsciously putting my back to the wall if I can.
It’s a hideous existence to be trapped in, and I’ve no patience for anyone who molly coddles the cunts who subject kids of all ages to a decade or more of terror.
They themselves may be (often are, in fact) victims of abuse and / or neglect at home, or have been victims in the streets before they became the victimisers – but not coming down hard on them does nothing to end that cycle and just surrenders more young people to a life of hyper vigilance and anxiety.
Only a matter of time before perent’s take matters into their own hands to defend their kids.
The police would be better able to respond to the incidents and carry out deterrence patrols, and make the perpetrator’s continuing actions difficult, if the Tories hadn’t cut police numbers.
The CPS and courts would be better able to promptly charge and take more challenging cases to court, and make harder but better decisions, if the Tories hadn’t cut funding for courts and the CPS.
Social Services would better be able to intervene in these kid’s home lives, and even remove them from the home, and work on action plans to get their parents to parent them, if the Tories hadn’t cut funding.
The kids would have more prospects and more things to do, if the Tories hadn’t cut local government funding.
And so on.
There is a group of kids in my town who have, over the last 4 years, smashed empty properties, set cars on fire, attempted to set a bus depot on fire and more recently managed to start a major fire in the old convent.
A mate of mine was involved with one of the targeted projects, I helped him out up anti-vandal paint, board up windows, repair damage etc. We caught the kids on-site on more than one occasion. The police were called and attended, the kids were taken home to their parents.
Rinse, repeat.
They know who they are, they know everything. The convent had CCTV and people in the streets nearby called the police before it started as they saw the kids heading up earlier.
There are no consequences. None.