We can’t, there’s F’all chance the EU will agree to a reverse where the UK returns to the same place it was in before we left.
It would be a complete mess if we joined again. we basically had one of the best deals ever and we chucked it in the bin for “sovereignty”
There would be no going back to the old deal, If we joined we would get a crummy deal and would probably have to use the euro € as a punishment for all the problems we have made.
Cup of cocoa for Lord Sugar please nurse
I’d be surprised if he doesn’t receive death threats off the back of this, given the fervent idiocy of many hard-core Brexit supporters. You’d have to be a complete idiot not to see the damage brexit is causing to Britain, but unfortunately we have plenty of idiots.
The UK will simply get closer to the EU again without full membership, much the same as Switzerland is.
It will take a few years to undo the damage, but little by little Boris’s legacy of decay will be undone as younger voters in particular ask why they are being denied the same opportunities the no longer with us Brexit voters had.
Now that link doesn’t work for me but in response to the headline, there would need to be another referendum in favour of rejoining and we would have to apply like any other nation and play by all of the rules (join euro, Schengen etc.).
I can actually see it happening one day, but Alan Sugar will be long dead.
This is exactly the national conversation that needs to start asap. We’re stuck with a compromised conservative party run by russian assets and ultra-wealthy who fear the EU for regulation that will stop the wealth transfer from the masses to their pockets.
We need an implosion of the tory party at the next GE, and the only way to achieve that is by labour and libdems agreeing to target achievable constituencies to minimise blue MPs. PR comes next.
Then whoever is in power needs to start a campaign of de-torisation of key government institutions and related organisations. The BBC should be one of them.
I would also go as far as reviewing regulation on news outlets and making those organisations liable for spreading lies, but I appreciate that’s a minefield that could go way too far so who knows.
Just use that reverse uno card innit.
Sure. All the brexit related economic damage can be reversed quite quickly by formally agreeing to follow the EU Single Market and Customs Union, the economic institutions of the EU.
All that would be lacking would be the formal representation to decide any of that policy, as we wouldn’t be in the EU. Having said that, Norway, Switzerland, Turkey and others aren’t in it either and they’re fine with it.
As a bonus we won’t need a second referendum, as this is still a form of Brexit. Brexit referendum only ever explicitly said leave the EU, with nothing about retaining SM and CU membership. This is otherwise known as a “soft Brexit.” Outside **the EU** *and all its representative functions* while continue to reap the more important economic benefits of being in the Single Market and Customs Union.
This is also quite less strict than the approval required to join the EU proper, nevermind the EU is incentivized to fast track this both economically to reopen access to a large market and diplomatically to resolve the UK-led tensions surrounding the Irish Sea border. SM and CU worked for decades for Good Friday Agreement precisely because both sides had the same standards and tariffs, so don’t need any checks or the subsequent border infrastructure to conduct them.
All that’s required is
1) Parliament is restricted in its legislation and policies to *at mininum* be compliant with any SM and CU rules, including any other agreements like EU’s EASA for pilots, human rights, or their CE manufacturing standard. Not really an issue given the Tories haven’t had the time diverge too much from Single Market standards yet. Those it’d be forced to return to would be quite welcome if anything, like not dumping effluence into our waters or “allowing” HGV drivers to drive well past the recommended working hours.
2) must forfeit any and all trade arrangements in order to conform to the trade policy of the Customs Union, which sets tariff and trade with those outside the CU with a uniform policy. Not really a bad thing either if the existing post Brexit trade deals are any indicator. The ones like Australia or Japan where we basically sold off sectors of the economy (farmers particularly angry about Australian deal) just to have worse terms than what the EU has with these countries. Customs Union can arguably be avoided, but then you’d need customs checks between Northern Ireland and Ireland or Northern Ireland and Great Britain…….which is arguably more of a hassle than just tossing the already anemic post Brexit deals that exist.
3) Resubmit to the European Court of Justice which oversees disputes within the Single Market which we’d be rejoining. Amongst other institutions like Horizon or agreements like Lugano.
This is basically a prerequisite to full rejoining anyways, as other applicants like Ukraine has been converting their standards to Single Market ones in their application to join.
If the UK were to rejoined the EU, which Brexit benefit would you miss the most?
Shut down all UK tax havens.
If the uk government were to adopt the EU Anti Tax Avoidance Directive then Brexit could be reversed.
The only logical reason for certain sectors pushing hard for brexit is the EU anti tax avoidance directive. Bit of a clumsy mouthful but learn its power.
UK tax havens offer anonymity, escape from local taxes and money laundering, great for those who have something to hide.
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Serious question – Why did Jeffrey Epstein want a hold over Prince Andrew?
Anyone seen Farage? Boris? Davies? JRM? Fat Face Pubdude?
Re-joining would be a political minefield for any government that either got lumped with the task or was elected on the basis of delivering it for the electorate that voted for it.
You would need a PM that had proper statesman like charisma and the ability to pick a ministerial cabinet that would actually be competent and not a bunch of lickspittles and careerists/Eurosceptics.
You would need to get the news barons on side and keep them on side, which means *locking down your party* and putting an end to expenses scandals, abuses of power etc and stopping ambitious or disgruntled party members from leaking anything to the press. Your ship needs to be watertight to stop the sensationalist press from blowing holes in it.
OR
Things would have to get seriously bad and this country would have to be in serious dire straits with the unions/mass strikes/civil disobedience for the electorate to maybe consider that re-joining the EU would bring some economic advantages and relieve some of the awfulness going on. Without the national press stoking the flames and blaming it on somebody other than who’s fault it actually is.
*5 years* since the Brexit vote and whilst there are some extraneous factors making things worse, we have multiple unions voting mass industrial action, NHS missing vital waiting time targets, ambulances piling up outside hospitals, people dying in the streets because it’s taking an ambulance hours and hours to reach them, an unprecedented cost of living crisis as rapid inflation guts consumer confidence, a PM that has broken the law, mass use of food banks, people in in work poverty, children going hungry, water companies simply not bothering to treat sewage and discharging it raw into the seas and rivers and around our precious beaches and national marine reserves, crops wilting in the fields because there is not enough manpower to pick them….none of this is worth any kind of regaining control from some perceived interfering committee.
Why is it that whenever we have an article or post about rejoin there’s load of comments saying the same thing:
“Impossible, we won’t get the old deal back”
First of all, please read the thread before posting to see if what you’re about to say has already been said.
Secondly, it’s vanishingly rare that the OP article mentions reverting back to the same as in 2015, its simply rejoining the EU. So I don’t really know why you always insist on bringing up “we won’t get the old deal back” because nobody mentioned that.
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We can’t, there’s F’all chance the EU will agree to a reverse where the UK returns to the same place it was in before we left.
It would be a complete mess if we joined again. we basically had one of the best deals ever and we chucked it in the bin for “sovereignty”
There would be no going back to the old deal, If we joined we would get a crummy deal and would probably have to use the euro € as a punishment for all the problems we have made.
Cup of cocoa for Lord Sugar please nurse
I’d be surprised if he doesn’t receive death threats off the back of this, given the fervent idiocy of many hard-core Brexit supporters. You’d have to be a complete idiot not to see the damage brexit is causing to Britain, but unfortunately we have plenty of idiots.
The UK will simply get closer to the EU again without full membership, much the same as Switzerland is.
It will take a few years to undo the damage, but little by little Boris’s legacy of decay will be undone as younger voters in particular ask why they are being denied the same opportunities the no longer with us Brexit voters had.
Now that link doesn’t work for me but in response to the headline, there would need to be another referendum in favour of rejoining and we would have to apply like any other nation and play by all of the rules (join euro, Schengen etc.).
I can actually see it happening one day, but Alan Sugar will be long dead.
This is exactly the national conversation that needs to start asap. We’re stuck with a compromised conservative party run by russian assets and ultra-wealthy who fear the EU for regulation that will stop the wealth transfer from the masses to their pockets.
We need an implosion of the tory party at the next GE, and the only way to achieve that is by labour and libdems agreeing to target achievable constituencies to minimise blue MPs. PR comes next.
Then whoever is in power needs to start a campaign of de-torisation of key government institutions and related organisations. The BBC should be one of them.
I would also go as far as reviewing regulation on news outlets and making those organisations liable for spreading lies, but I appreciate that’s a minefield that could go way too far so who knows.
Just use that reverse uno card innit.
Sure. All the brexit related economic damage can be reversed quite quickly by formally agreeing to follow the EU Single Market and Customs Union, the economic institutions of the EU.
All that would be lacking would be the formal representation to decide any of that policy, as we wouldn’t be in the EU. Having said that, Norway, Switzerland, Turkey and others aren’t in it either and they’re fine with it.
As a bonus we won’t need a second referendum, as this is still a form of Brexit. Brexit referendum only ever explicitly said leave the EU, with nothing about retaining SM and CU membership. This is otherwise known as a “soft Brexit.” Outside **the EU** *and all its representative functions* while continue to reap the more important economic benefits of being in the Single Market and Customs Union.
This is also quite less strict than the approval required to join the EU proper, nevermind the EU is incentivized to fast track this both economically to reopen access to a large market and diplomatically to resolve the UK-led tensions surrounding the Irish Sea border. SM and CU worked for decades for Good Friday Agreement precisely because both sides had the same standards and tariffs, so don’t need any checks or the subsequent border infrastructure to conduct them.
All that’s required is
1) Parliament is restricted in its legislation and policies to *at mininum* be compliant with any SM and CU rules, including any other agreements like EU’s EASA for pilots, human rights, or their CE manufacturing standard. Not really an issue given the Tories haven’t had the time diverge too much from Single Market standards yet. Those it’d be forced to return to would be quite welcome if anything, like not dumping effluence into our waters or “allowing” HGV drivers to drive well past the recommended working hours.
2) must forfeit any and all trade arrangements in order to conform to the trade policy of the Customs Union, which sets tariff and trade with those outside the CU with a uniform policy. Not really a bad thing either if the existing post Brexit trade deals are any indicator. The ones like Australia or Japan where we basically sold off sectors of the economy (farmers particularly angry about Australian deal) just to have worse terms than what the EU has with these countries. Customs Union can arguably be avoided, but then you’d need customs checks between Northern Ireland and Ireland or Northern Ireland and Great Britain…….which is arguably more of a hassle than just tossing the already anemic post Brexit deals that exist.
3) Resubmit to the European Court of Justice which oversees disputes within the Single Market which we’d be rejoining. Amongst other institutions like Horizon or agreements like Lugano.
This is basically a prerequisite to full rejoining anyways, as other applicants like Ukraine has been converting their standards to Single Market ones in their application to join.
If the UK were to rejoined the EU, which Brexit benefit would you miss the most?
Shut down all UK tax havens.
If the uk government were to adopt the EU Anti Tax Avoidance Directive then Brexit could be reversed.
The only logical reason for certain sectors pushing hard for brexit is the EU anti tax avoidance directive. Bit of a clumsy mouthful but learn its power.
UK tax havens offer anonymity, escape from local taxes and money laundering, great for those who have something to hide.
​
Serious question – Why did Jeffrey Epstein want a hold over Prince Andrew?
​
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EU Anti Tax Avoidance Directive
https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/anti-tax-avoidance-directive_en
Anyone seen Farage? Boris? Davies? JRM? Fat Face Pubdude?
Re-joining would be a political minefield for any government that either got lumped with the task or was elected on the basis of delivering it for the electorate that voted for it.
You would need a PM that had proper statesman like charisma and the ability to pick a ministerial cabinet that would actually be competent and not a bunch of lickspittles and careerists/Eurosceptics.
You would need to get the news barons on side and keep them on side, which means *locking down your party* and putting an end to expenses scandals, abuses of power etc and stopping ambitious or disgruntled party members from leaking anything to the press. Your ship needs to be watertight to stop the sensationalist press from blowing holes in it.
OR
Things would have to get seriously bad and this country would have to be in serious dire straits with the unions/mass strikes/civil disobedience for the electorate to maybe consider that re-joining the EU would bring some economic advantages and relieve some of the awfulness going on. Without the national press stoking the flames and blaming it on somebody other than who’s fault it actually is.
*5 years* since the Brexit vote and whilst there are some extraneous factors making things worse, we have multiple unions voting mass industrial action, NHS missing vital waiting time targets, ambulances piling up outside hospitals, people dying in the streets because it’s taking an ambulance hours and hours to reach them, an unprecedented cost of living crisis as rapid inflation guts consumer confidence, a PM that has broken the law, mass use of food banks, people in in work poverty, children going hungry, water companies simply not bothering to treat sewage and discharging it raw into the seas and rivers and around our precious beaches and national marine reserves, crops wilting in the fields because there is not enough manpower to pick them….none of this is worth any kind of regaining control from some perceived interfering committee.
Why is it that whenever we have an article or post about rejoin there’s load of comments saying the same thing:
“Impossible, we won’t get the old deal back”
First of all, please read the thread before posting to see if what you’re about to say has already been said.
Secondly, it’s vanishingly rare that the OP article mentions reverting back to the same as in 2015, its simply rejoining the EU. So I don’t really know why you always insist on bringing up “we won’t get the old deal back” because nobody mentioned that.