Discussion Thread for the popular vote on 25 September 2022

12 comments

1. We do have problems with poultry, the amount of chicken raised for meat is incredible. Look at the ratio of chicken for a pig or a cow. And they are often raised in closed spaces with sometimes 10 to 15 chicken per square meter.

   I have not read all the changes in the OASI but increase the age limit for retirement is already a no for me. Call me ageist but most old people I work with are slow, allergic to change and learn and overall a pain in the ass, can’t wait for them to get retirement. And yes I know I’ll probably be like that too when my time comes so I accepted the fact that at some point people gotta leave the workforce for younger people.

   As for the tax it’s a no for me just like the stamp tax (which they wanted to do a little sneaky here by also removing it here if we vote yes). Why make tax evasion easier for companies and not me?

2. 1. no

   2. yes

   3. uncertain, tend to no

3. The later retirement age does not affect me directly, so i asked some collegues. My desicion to vote no got reaffired when i saw that the mwst gets raised as well. This would again affect poorer people more… i’m sure there are better solutions.

   Chicken meat is some of the eco frendliest meat production but the conditions are horrible.

4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcINh0Aqax4 i will vote no on 2

5. 1. I want to vote yes but I know that there are challenges regarding food autonomy. therefore still undecided.
   2. I think I will vote yes for egalitarian reasons.
   3. I would say no but I have to study the consequences more.

6. Does anyone know why they want to increase the TVA/MWST instead of the AVS/AHV contributions? Wouldn’t the goal be to have a perennial AVS/AHV without indirect injections of money?

7. I’m not sure what to vote on the factory farming initiative.

   I will vote yes on the OASI reform for reasons of equality as well as securing funds for the OASI. The raising of the MWSt is unfortunate though.

   And I will vote yes on the third one in order to strengthen Switzerland as a place of business

8. Yes 100%
   No
   No

9. Pretty easy for me:

   1. no

   2. Yes

   3. No

   Me matching 3/4 times with the FC is a rarity. But I think the outcome will match parliament/FC recommendations exactly. Opinion polls are pretty clear, the usual trends will persist and the outcome will be clear, imho.

10. On the 3, there’s so much misunderstanding:

    – it doesn’t change the tax, only the withholding
    – today’s situation is absurd: is the bonds were issued in Switzerland, there’s a whole additional complexity (and therefore cost) due to the withholding. But of the same company issued the bonds elsewhere, there wouldn’t be

    The result is that Swiss companies have a harder time borrowing money through issuing bonds, and this disproportionately impacts smaller Swiss companies who’ll have a harder time issuing bonds abroad.

    The current situation has no benefit at all, except for compliance companies (aka, lawyers) who offer withholding compliance services. It funnels money from companies and from savers to lawyers.

11. With the factory farming initiative, you choose between what is economic and what is more far beyond animal prosperity.
    Animals would vote “No” !

12. I love how people always tell me they only eat meat from happy animals / ethical places now all vote against the factory farming initiative because they don’t wanna pay more money for meat. You can really see people’s hypocrisy unfold, they don’t actually care about animal wellbeing, they just wanna eat cheap meat without feeling guilty.