Sturgeon consented to the once in an generation criterior stipulated in the last referendum but uses the veil of independence to distract the electorate from her numerous and grave errors the country has endured.
It won’t vote no again. Quite confident of that
As if the Nationalists aren’t bitter already
The die hards would do better to move on if its another No. Moderates wont be up for having endless referendums.
The UK is utterly broken as an idea the Scots would be mad not to vote yes. If not why on earth do they keep voting SNP
Hahaha, they won’t don’t worry
I fully expect that Westiminster will do everything to fuck us over
If they vote No again, Sturgeon or any other SNP leader who replaces her will just try to push through another independence vote a few short years later.
It’s the *only* thing the SNP cares about. Couldn’t give an actual fuck about the country they run or the people in it, nor their people’s democratic wishes. They’ll just keep pushing again, and again, and again. They will never stop until they get what they want. And when they eventually do get what they want, they’ll realise how fucked they are when suddenly they have to focus on something else besides getting a Yes on independence vote.
It’ll be a classic case of the saying;
Be careful what you wish for, lest it come true!
It should be pretty clear that something needs to change with what’s going on with Scotland. If it doesn’t vote for independence it can’t go on as it has done in the past. A consistent vote for staying in the UK, while constantly electing Scottish Nationalists is a political nightmare for the people to live in.
I can see from this thread that nationalists are totally geared up for the ‘politics of bitterness’ in the event of a No result. Not surprised.
Do people in Scotland think they’ll be able to walk back into the EU with open arms within a year of independence and everyone there will pat them on the back and welcome them with heaps of trade and prosperity and give them a seat at the grown ups table?
EU membership would be at least a decade out, come with mountains of concessions that you didn’t have to endure under GB’s membership, and whilst you’re focused on that you’ll have completely alienated your most established international partner, England.
I’m getting brexit PTSD reading some of these comments.
The SNP just has to let the Tories continue. 95% for independence if Truss is in power for 3 years till the next GE I would bet on it…
First, there is not going to be another referendum, any time soon. Without the buy in of Westminster, it becomes just an SNP opinion poll that many will just not bother with. It’s perfectly acceptable for Westminster not to grant a second referendum as they have all to lose and nothing to gain, while the SNP has nothing to lose and everything to gain. If the SNP lost a second referendum, they would instantly start demanding a third.
Secondly, if and when there is another referendum, it’s highly unlikely it will be a repeat of the last question with a yes/no answer. Expect a three or four answer “preferendum” with a requirement for a super majority. Distilling a complex issue into a yes/no or leave/remain question obviously does not put the issue to bed.
Thirdly, I’d expect the voter base to be different from the last vote. No EU citizens, Scots in the whole of the UK getting a vote.
And lastly, The UK Government could, pass a Clarity Act. This would spell out exactly what leaving the UK would look like from the UK’s point of view. i.e. no sharing of the pound, hard borders, sovereign base areas, issues surrounding citizenship.
I fear the disruption that Scottish independence would cause to an already utterly sinking nation (The UK, and all of its constituent nations) but as an English person I’ll be big enough to admit that it’s none of my fucking business whether the Scot’s want to stay in the UK or not. Others in England should lose their thin skins for once and follow suit.
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Is it a referendum or a neverendum?
Sturgeon consented to the once in an generation criterior stipulated in the last referendum but uses the veil of independence to distract the electorate from her numerous and grave errors the country has endured.
It won’t vote no again. Quite confident of that
As if the Nationalists aren’t bitter already
The die hards would do better to move on if its another No. Moderates wont be up for having endless referendums.
The UK is utterly broken as an idea the Scots would be mad not to vote yes. If not why on earth do they keep voting SNP
Hahaha, they won’t don’t worry
I fully expect that Westiminster will do everything to fuck us over
If they vote No again, Sturgeon or any other SNP leader who replaces her will just try to push through another independence vote a few short years later.
It’s the *only* thing the SNP cares about. Couldn’t give an actual fuck about the country they run or the people in it, nor their people’s democratic wishes. They’ll just keep pushing again, and again, and again. They will never stop until they get what they want. And when they eventually do get what they want, they’ll realise how fucked they are when suddenly they have to focus on something else besides getting a Yes on independence vote.
It’ll be a classic case of the saying;
Be careful what you wish for, lest it come true!
It should be pretty clear that something needs to change with what’s going on with Scotland. If it doesn’t vote for independence it can’t go on as it has done in the past. A consistent vote for staying in the UK, while constantly electing Scottish Nationalists is a political nightmare for the people to live in.
I can see from this thread that nationalists are totally geared up for the ‘politics of bitterness’ in the event of a No result. Not surprised.
Do people in Scotland think they’ll be able to walk back into the EU with open arms within a year of independence and everyone there will pat them on the back and welcome them with heaps of trade and prosperity and give them a seat at the grown ups table?
EU membership would be at least a decade out, come with mountains of concessions that you didn’t have to endure under GB’s membership, and whilst you’re focused on that you’ll have completely alienated your most established international partner, England.
I’m getting brexit PTSD reading some of these comments.
The SNP just has to let the Tories continue. 95% for independence if Truss is in power for 3 years till the next GE I would bet on it…
First, there is not going to be another referendum, any time soon. Without the buy in of Westminster, it becomes just an SNP opinion poll that many will just not bother with. It’s perfectly acceptable for Westminster not to grant a second referendum as they have all to lose and nothing to gain, while the SNP has nothing to lose and everything to gain. If the SNP lost a second referendum, they would instantly start demanding a third.
Secondly, if and when there is another referendum, it’s highly unlikely it will be a repeat of the last question with a yes/no answer. Expect a three or four answer “preferendum” with a requirement for a super majority. Distilling a complex issue into a yes/no or leave/remain question obviously does not put the issue to bed.
Thirdly, I’d expect the voter base to be different from the last vote. No EU citizens, Scots in the whole of the UK getting a vote.
And lastly, The UK Government could, pass a Clarity Act. This would spell out exactly what leaving the UK would look like from the UK’s point of view. i.e. no sharing of the pound, hard borders, sovereign base areas, issues surrounding citizenship.
I fear the disruption that Scottish independence would cause to an already utterly sinking nation (The UK, and all of its constituent nations) but as an English person I’ll be big enough to admit that it’s none of my fucking business whether the Scot’s want to stay in the UK or not. Others in England should lose their thin skins for once and follow suit.