>The male suicide rate for was 15.3 per 100,000* compared to the female suicide rate of 4.9 per 100,000*
>Males aged 45-49 continue to have the highest suicide rate (23.8 per 100,000)
There is no hope for the future. We know that there is a chronic lack of mental health support in this country, you’re having to wait weeks or months to be seen, even if you are in desperate need of care now.
This winter it will only get worse as people struggle and see no other way out.
The mental health support in the UK is absymal, and gets worse with every cut the Tories make. Absolutely insane waiting lists, an inordinate focus on CBT (which works for many people, I’m not knocking it, but it’s treated as a cure-all when research shows it simply does not work for some types of mental health issues), and a complete disinterest in helping people until their issues are so severe that they necessitate intervention from a crisis team (who, in my experience, are also shockingly lacking).
Last year I told my GP I was suicidal and was fobbed off with some print-outs about making a cup of tea when I felt stressed. A week later I tried to take my own life and had to be sectioned.
If you read the article, the one expert they asked said it was likely due to coroners reports being delayed due to the pandemic – not that suicides had actually measurably increased among those age groups (or any groups) as a result of the pandemic – but again these are pretty loose categories, it makes sense you wouldn’t see a trend along age/gender lines (but maybe you would along income lines…)
Fuck, now women are demanding equality in Suicides?! CAN YOU PLEASE LET US MEN HAVE SOMETHING TO BE LEADERS IN?!
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If you can’t see the above being sarcasm, then I’ll hang my head.
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(No really, there’s people you can talk to, you don’t have to feel like you’re alone)
Mental health has been underfunded much longer. The long term erosion of support for the most vulnerable through early life, failing opportunities, wage stagnation, no hope of home ownership while rent rises in real term, the cost of living crisis and those at the bottom struggling the most without the money to even heat their houses OR eat at this point.
I think the solution is obvious at this point I’m not going to say it, we all know it. It is not something that will instantly resolve but requires long term commitment to turn around. Fixing it would help the NHS and strain on police and reduce welfare too.
I wonder what role social media plays in the decline of mental health for both women and men (if any).
In debt because of the cost of a degree but still can’t get a job. Those who aren’t in debt can’t get jobs because they don’t have a degree.
The cost of rent is too much for even those on high salary and the buying a house is not even an option for a young person.
We have stripped the young generation from any hope of having the luxury lives that their older generation are telling them they should have or be aiming for.
20 years ago you could get a degree for 3k and student halls for £100 a month. A 1 bed flat was £40k or less. And you could get a 18k a year for a 1st time job in admin. So 2x salary for a single person fresh out of uni, could buy a house within 2-3 years, probably less as 5% mortgages were common, so only £2k needed for a deposit.
Now you need to have a dual income to even consider a mortgage and a deposit of 10% which will be the price that house could be purchased outright 25 years ago.
What the f is the point for these kids when their life is going to be based around watching the fake reality that is presented to them yet never attainable.
Chronic lack of investment in mental health, highest rate of divorce, lowest level of conviction for actual rapists and female attackers, impoverished society, degenerate social media and broken government. Not surprising, is it?
Social media is a massive part of this. I know this first hand
I don’t understand why the article specifies women when the increase in men and women was exactly the same. Suicide among everyone increasing at the fastest rate ever recorded, and there is no difference in increase between men and women. Men continue to make up 3/4 of suicides.
Well known research from Clinical Psychologists such as Rory O Connor has shown that perfectionism, defeat/humiliation as well as feeling ‘trapped’ by ones circumstances predict the transition from suicidal thoughts to suicidal behaviour (alongside other factors).
Given the exposure we have to highly competitive messages through the media/education, record house prices, a society that encourages debt, consumer capitalism and the widening gap between rich and poor its no surprise that this leads to increased suicidality as people feel that they should do better (perfectionism) aren’t doing as well as they could be (defeated) and feel hopeless or helpless (ie. trapped) regarding their current circumstances.
Yes we need better funded mental health services which support individuals but we also more recognition that sometimes these trends are the result of broader socio-economic influences as well.
I’m convinced that Social Media in 20-30 years time will be seen as the Tobacco of it’s day. Those in charge knew full well how unhealthy it was for many people but kept that information to themselves for personal gain / profit.
Comparing yourself to millions of other people, many of whom are paid or sponsored to sell a dream life which is incomparable and unachievable does nobody any favours.
Whoever would’ve thought that slashing child mental health services, denying the existence of most of their challenges, and parading perceived beautiful people on demand on tiktok wasn’t the solution
Interesting that numbers in Scotland were down:
>The number of probable deaths by suicide in Scotland decreased by 6% last year, according to annual figures.
>Most of the decrease was down to a fall in female suicides, the National Records of Scotland said.
Good to see we are closing the gap in equality between men and women
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It’s not like we have a nice future ahead of us, mostly just working until every semblance of a will to live has been torn away from us
I have private healthcare which is what I’ve used to help my wife get the support she needed and continues to need.
I worry where she would be today if we weren’t that fortunate.
This country is in a terrible place with nothing but despair for most people under the age of 30. I’m not even sure there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
No future for young people anymore. Can’t afford homes, can’t afford rented homes, can’t afford gas/electric, can’t afford marriage, can’t afford kids. What else is left for them? The tories have stripped everything away for normal people.
In 4 years, I have lost 3 female friends aged 30 to 40 yo to suicide, all from completely separate friend circles. It’s heartbreaking that so little support is quickly and meaningfully available. We need to be doing more as a country and a society or this tragedy will only continue to worsen.
Not a woman but everyone my age (21) have no future. We can’t afford houses, wages are stagnant, no mental health help at all, NHS failing and a government that doesn’t care about us,bills are high and there is no end in sight. What’s the point if there’s no hope.
I have ADHD and find the act of being a semi-functioning adult absolutely fucking exhausting. The older I get, the harder I’m finding life, and it looks likely to be getting even more difficult. What with the cost of living crisis (struggling to afford my gas bill? Better spend money I don’t have on shit I don’t need for that 5 minute dopamine hit), and possibility of losing employee protection (if we go down the US route of at will employment I WILL end up getting fired due to all the little mistakes I make), the future isn’t looking too bright.
Currently trying to get medicated or at least some sort of additional help but I don’t seem to be ADHD enough to warrant it on the NHS.
Article about an increase in suicides among women and the comments overflow with misogyny. How surprising…
Mental health support is a joke in this country, that’s why.
I was waiting for years to speak to someone in person after doing an online CBT thing which for my situation did not help at all. I was close to dying and on a transplant waiting list and the transplant came before I got any mental health support.
About 6 months after the transplant I got some bad infections and lost a third of my bodyweight and everything doctors tried didn’t help and so I was spoken to by hospital mental health support who said it might be 6 months or more before I could speak to someone.
I just broke down in tears, I’d spent about 3 months of that year in hospital, 25% of my life that year and I was at my wit’s end. I genuinely thought I was going to die but apparently that isn’t much of a worry to the mental health services.
In the end they chopped out my Colon and I now shit in a bag.
Then about 3 months after coming out of hospital, a year after having two organs removed and one replaced and adapting to a complete change in my circumstances they asked me if I would like to stay on the waiting list as I was still about 6 months away from being seen. I just laughed to be honest and told them to remove me. I was lucky in that I had people who supported me but I imagine others are not.
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>The male suicide rate for was 15.3 per 100,000* compared to the female suicide rate of 4.9 per 100,000*
>Males aged 45-49 continue to have the highest suicide rate (23.8 per 100,000)
There is no hope for the future. We know that there is a chronic lack of mental health support in this country, you’re having to wait weeks or months to be seen, even if you are in desperate need of care now.
This winter it will only get worse as people struggle and see no other way out.
The mental health support in the UK is absymal, and gets worse with every cut the Tories make. Absolutely insane waiting lists, an inordinate focus on CBT (which works for many people, I’m not knocking it, but it’s treated as a cure-all when research shows it simply does not work for some types of mental health issues), and a complete disinterest in helping people until their issues are so severe that they necessitate intervention from a crisis team (who, in my experience, are also shockingly lacking).
Last year I told my GP I was suicidal and was fobbed off with some print-outs about making a cup of tea when I felt stressed. A week later I tried to take my own life and had to be sectioned.
If you read the article, the one expert they asked said it was likely due to coroners reports being delayed due to the pandemic – not that suicides had actually measurably increased among those age groups (or any groups) as a result of the pandemic – but again these are pretty loose categories, it makes sense you wouldn’t see a trend along age/gender lines (but maybe you would along income lines…)
Fuck, now women are demanding equality in Suicides?! CAN YOU PLEASE LET US MEN HAVE SOMETHING TO BE LEADERS IN?!
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If you can’t see the above being sarcasm, then I’ll hang my head.
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(No really, there’s people you can talk to, you don’t have to feel like you’re alone)
Mental health has been underfunded much longer. The long term erosion of support for the most vulnerable through early life, failing opportunities, wage stagnation, no hope of home ownership while rent rises in real term, the cost of living crisis and those at the bottom struggling the most without the money to even heat their houses OR eat at this point.
I think the solution is obvious at this point I’m not going to say it, we all know it. It is not something that will instantly resolve but requires long term commitment to turn around. Fixing it would help the NHS and strain on police and reduce welfare too.
I wonder what role social media plays in the decline of mental health for both women and men (if any).
In debt because of the cost of a degree but still can’t get a job. Those who aren’t in debt can’t get jobs because they don’t have a degree.
The cost of rent is too much for even those on high salary and the buying a house is not even an option for a young person.
We have stripped the young generation from any hope of having the luxury lives that their older generation are telling them they should have or be aiming for.
20 years ago you could get a degree for 3k and student halls for £100 a month. A 1 bed flat was £40k or less. And you could get a 18k a year for a 1st time job in admin. So 2x salary for a single person fresh out of uni, could buy a house within 2-3 years, probably less as 5% mortgages were common, so only £2k needed for a deposit.
Now you need to have a dual income to even consider a mortgage and a deposit of 10% which will be the price that house could be purchased outright 25 years ago.
What the f is the point for these kids when their life is going to be based around watching the fake reality that is presented to them yet never attainable.
Chronic lack of investment in mental health, highest rate of divorce, lowest level of conviction for actual rapists and female attackers, impoverished society, degenerate social media and broken government. Not surprising, is it?
Social media is a massive part of this. I know this first hand
I don’t understand why the article specifies women when the increase in men and women was exactly the same. Suicide among everyone increasing at the fastest rate ever recorded, and there is no difference in increase between men and women. Men continue to make up 3/4 of suicides.
Well known research from Clinical Psychologists such as Rory O Connor has shown that perfectionism, defeat/humiliation as well as feeling ‘trapped’ by ones circumstances predict the transition from suicidal thoughts to suicidal behaviour (alongside other factors).
Given the exposure we have to highly competitive messages through the media/education, record house prices, a society that encourages debt, consumer capitalism and the widening gap between rich and poor its no surprise that this leads to increased suicidality as people feel that they should do better (perfectionism) aren’t doing as well as they could be (defeated) and feel hopeless or helpless (ie. trapped) regarding their current circumstances.
Yes we need better funded mental health services which support individuals but we also more recognition that sometimes these trends are the result of broader socio-economic influences as well.
[https://suicideresearch.info/the-imv/](https://suicideresearch.info/the-imv/)
I’m convinced that Social Media in 20-30 years time will be seen as the Tobacco of it’s day. Those in charge knew full well how unhealthy it was for many people but kept that information to themselves for personal gain / profit.
Comparing yourself to millions of other people, many of whom are paid or sponsored to sell a dream life which is incomparable and unachievable does nobody any favours.
Whoever would’ve thought that slashing child mental health services, denying the existence of most of their challenges, and parading perceived beautiful people on demand on tiktok wasn’t the solution
Interesting that numbers in Scotland were down:
>The number of probable deaths by suicide in Scotland decreased by 6% last year, according to annual figures.
>Most of the decrease was down to a fall in female suicides, the National Records of Scotland said.
Good to see we are closing the gap in equality between men and women
/s
It’s not like we have a nice future ahead of us, mostly just working until every semblance of a will to live has been torn away from us
I have private healthcare which is what I’ve used to help my wife get the support she needed and continues to need.
I worry where she would be today if we weren’t that fortunate.
This country is in a terrible place with nothing but despair for most people under the age of 30. I’m not even sure there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
No future for young people anymore. Can’t afford homes, can’t afford rented homes, can’t afford gas/electric, can’t afford marriage, can’t afford kids. What else is left for them? The tories have stripped everything away for normal people.
In 4 years, I have lost 3 female friends aged 30 to 40 yo to suicide, all from completely separate friend circles. It’s heartbreaking that so little support is quickly and meaningfully available. We need to be doing more as a country and a society or this tragedy will only continue to worsen.
Not a woman but everyone my age (21) have no future. We can’t afford houses, wages are stagnant, no mental health help at all, NHS failing and a government that doesn’t care about us,bills are high and there is no end in sight. What’s the point if there’s no hope.
I have ADHD and find the act of being a semi-functioning adult absolutely fucking exhausting. The older I get, the harder I’m finding life, and it looks likely to be getting even more difficult. What with the cost of living crisis (struggling to afford my gas bill? Better spend money I don’t have on shit I don’t need for that 5 minute dopamine hit), and possibility of losing employee protection (if we go down the US route of at will employment I WILL end up getting fired due to all the little mistakes I make), the future isn’t looking too bright.
Currently trying to get medicated or at least some sort of additional help but I don’t seem to be ADHD enough to warrant it on the NHS.
Article about an increase in suicides among women and the comments overflow with misogyny. How surprising…
Mental health support is a joke in this country, that’s why.
I was waiting for years to speak to someone in person after doing an online CBT thing which for my situation did not help at all. I was close to dying and on a transplant waiting list and the transplant came before I got any mental health support.
About 6 months after the transplant I got some bad infections and lost a third of my bodyweight and everything doctors tried didn’t help and so I was spoken to by hospital mental health support who said it might be 6 months or more before I could speak to someone.
I just broke down in tears, I’d spent about 3 months of that year in hospital, 25% of my life that year and I was at my wit’s end. I genuinely thought I was going to die but apparently that isn’t much of a worry to the mental health services.
In the end they chopped out my Colon and I now shit in a bag.
Then about 3 months after coming out of hospital, a year after having two organs removed and one replaced and adapting to a complete change in my circumstances they asked me if I would like to stay on the waiting list as I was still about 6 months away from being seen. I just laughed to be honest and told them to remove me. I was lucky in that I had people who supported me but I imagine others are not.