I looked into installing wind mills, due to living in a windy area. It would have generated more than engough power for my needs. However the current regulations wouldn’t allow me to. Only semi detached or detached housing can install an attracted wind mill, and a pole wind mill has to be a certain distance away from other buildings. To say they can only be installed at big fancy houses or those with land. And they cost more than just £1k. This to me seems like a really good idea.
I also think the government really need to change the regulation regarding installing them yourself. Currently only the wealthy can.
Wind turbines scale dramatically. Make it twice the size and you get 4 times the output.
The solution to nimbyism around wind farms is to ensure that the locals have a controlling interest in the wind farm and get a share of the profits.
I looked into Ripple energy a few months ago, essentially an alternative for “your own” energy generation if you can’t have solar panels. There’s quite a wait for the next turbine to come online though, so it isn’t like this investment will immediately see you saving money, and you’re bound to a specific energy supplier (Octopus) for the time being.
You have the rules to follow hight restrictions space restrictions.
You also need storage capacity.
There also needs to be a more fair deal for what you sell back to the grid.
A friend of mine looked into a wind turbine for his house ( well, country pile ) on the Isle of Wight a few years ago, after doing the surveys etc he came to the conclusion that it made no sense economically on this scale. He looked into it for the music festival he ran too, you needed just as many diesel generators that this didn’t make any sense either. Solar just didn’t generate enough power for this purpose.
He did however go with a geothermal bore hole for his pad and that was pretty successfully, but this only works in certain areas.
We really need to get rid of NIMBYs.
Sizewell was mostly delayed due to them, and a lot of them don’t even live near frigging Sizewell, but in Rendlesham/Framlingham which is like 20 minutes away, and you can’t even seen Sizewelll from the fucking area.
And if you’ve ever been near Sizewell, THERE IS FUCKING NOTHING AROUND IT.
I have a relative who was quoted £27,000 for a domestic windmill for his house.
I installed 4 small vertical axis turbines on the ridge of my roof, cost about £4k, worth it
Vertical axis turbines are much more suitable for homes
Why wont the British government get solar power to the people batteries and panels can be made pretty cheap and we could be a world leaders in no time putting multiple batterys in each house would take time but every house and building complete would lower the energy shortage across the country. Make the energy firms use the profits they are making to build solar farms/factory’s and let them run with a 5% profit cap (it’s currently 2% in northern Ireland)
They are noisy don’t change the regulations, but we should be able to “buy” into a green energy source maybe a local one? Some of my work colleagues “much better paid than me” say just buy share in the energy companies
I’m tickled by the irony.
All the folk who hate on wind turbines now having to consider having one strapped to the side of their home … and in double-whammy, we used to think the UHF aerials bolted to chimneys were an eyesore.
This article is about Ripple and the headline is misleading. Ripple Energy is a company that let you invest in co-op wind farms (minimum is £25, max is 120% of your annual usage).
I am with them as a shareholder and user, from their first farm. It takes around a year or so for an investment to turn into active production.
But this way you get a sensible sized wind energy source without needing to host it yourself. The energy is actually sold according to an annual contract and then the savings generated are applied to your bills (you must be with an Octopus platform using energy supplier for now – they are adding more as fast as they can).
I am very happy I signed up for this, have invested in their second farm due to be completed next year and I am on the waiting list for the third. I pay about £50 a month (investments are pledged but can be paid over time) to accumulate a stake equivalent to 120% of our annual usage eventually.
AMA.
Ahah, they took the £20 energy saving kettle trope and just went ham.
The government have a Micro-generation scheme to allow for home installs:
>Development is permitted only if the stand alone wind turbine installation complies with the Microgeneration Certification Scheme Planning Standard (MCS 020) or equivalent standards. Read more about the scheme.
>
>The installation must not be sited on safeguarded land.
>
>Only the first installation of any wind turbine would be permitted development, and only if there is no existing air source heat pump at the property. Additional wind turbines or air source heat pumps at the same property requires an application for planning permission.
>
>The highest part of the stand alone wind turbine must not exceed 11.1 metres.
>
>The distance between ground level and the lowest part of any wind turbine blade must not be less than five metres.
>
>An installation is not permitted if any part of the stand alone wind turbine (including blades) would be in a position which is less than a distance equivalent to the overall height of the turbine (including blades) plus 10 per cent of its height when measured from any point along the property boundary.
>
>The swept area of any stand alone wind turbine blade must be no more than 3.8 square metres.
>
>In Conservation Areas, development would not be permitted if the stand alone wind turbine would be installed so that it is nearer to any highway which bounds the curtilage (garden or grounds) of the house or block of flats than the part of the house or block of flats which is nearest to that highway.
>
>Permitted development rights do not apply to a turbine within the curtilage of a Listed Building or within a site designated as a Scheduled Monument or on designated land* other than Conservation Areas.
In addition, the following conditions must also be met. The wind turbine must:
>use non-reflective materials on blades.
>
>be removed as soon as reasonably practicable when no longer needed for microgeneration.
>
>be sited, so far as is practicable, to minimise its effect on the external appearance of the building and its effect on the amenity of the area.
I’d love to see a comprehensive list of turbines that actually fall under this scheme if anyone has one!
Surely for 100 billion they plan to spend they could fit most homes in the UK with solar panels or build wind / solar farms
People here are not reading the article. You invest in an existing farm. You don’t literally build your own.
Why are we discussing what’s basically an advert? Nothing against Ripple, but this is just a promotion dressed up as journalism. Hell, I’m not even sure it is dressed up…
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Interesting scheme but the title is inaccurate.
I looked into installing wind mills, due to living in a windy area. It would have generated more than engough power for my needs. However the current regulations wouldn’t allow me to. Only semi detached or detached housing can install an attracted wind mill, and a pole wind mill has to be a certain distance away from other buildings. To say they can only be installed at big fancy houses or those with land. And they cost more than just £1k. This to me seems like a really good idea.
I also think the government really need to change the regulation regarding installing them yourself. Currently only the wealthy can.
Wind turbines scale dramatically. Make it twice the size and you get 4 times the output.
The solution to nimbyism around wind farms is to ensure that the locals have a controlling interest in the wind farm and get a share of the profits.
I looked into Ripple energy a few months ago, essentially an alternative for “your own” energy generation if you can’t have solar panels. There’s quite a wait for the next turbine to come online though, so it isn’t like this investment will immediately see you saving money, and you’re bound to a specific energy supplier (Octopus) for the time being.
They do something similar already in Holland, but there it’s mainly to get people to accept building of wind farms. The end result is the same however https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/dutch-wind-farm-blows-away-opposition-new-millers-get-stake-2022-08-29/
If only it was that easy or cheep. Ours was 12k.
You have the rules to follow hight restrictions space restrictions.
You also need storage capacity.
There also needs to be a more fair deal for what you sell back to the grid.
A friend of mine looked into a wind turbine for his house ( well, country pile ) on the Isle of Wight a few years ago, after doing the surveys etc he came to the conclusion that it made no sense economically on this scale. He looked into it for the music festival he ran too, you needed just as many diesel generators that this didn’t make any sense either. Solar just didn’t generate enough power for this purpose.
He did however go with a geothermal bore hole for his pad and that was pretty successfully, but this only works in certain areas.
We really need to get rid of NIMBYs.
Sizewell was mostly delayed due to them, and a lot of them don’t even live near frigging Sizewell, but in Rendlesham/Framlingham which is like 20 minutes away, and you can’t even seen Sizewelll from the fucking area.
And if you’ve ever been near Sizewell, THERE IS FUCKING NOTHING AROUND IT.
I have a relative who was quoted £27,000 for a domestic windmill for his house.
I installed 4 small vertical axis turbines on the ridge of my roof, cost about £4k, worth it
Vertical axis turbines are much more suitable for homes
Why wont the British government get solar power to the people batteries and panels can be made pretty cheap and we could be a world leaders in no time putting multiple batterys in each house would take time but every house and building complete would lower the energy shortage across the country. Make the energy firms use the profits they are making to build solar farms/factory’s and let them run with a 5% profit cap (it’s currently 2% in northern Ireland)
They are noisy don’t change the regulations, but we should be able to “buy” into a green energy source maybe a local one? Some of my work colleagues “much better paid than me” say just buy share in the energy companies
I’m tickled by the irony.
All the folk who hate on wind turbines now having to consider having one strapped to the side of their home … and in double-whammy, we used to think the UHF aerials bolted to chimneys were an eyesore.
This article is about Ripple and the headline is misleading. Ripple Energy is a company that let you invest in co-op wind farms (minimum is £25, max is 120% of your annual usage).
I am with them as a shareholder and user, from their first farm. It takes around a year or so for an investment to turn into active production.
But this way you get a sensible sized wind energy source without needing to host it yourself. The energy is actually sold according to an annual contract and then the savings generated are applied to your bills (you must be with an Octopus platform using energy supplier for now – they are adding more as fast as they can).
I am very happy I signed up for this, have invested in their second farm due to be completed next year and I am on the waiting list for the third. I pay about £50 a month (investments are pledged but can be paid over time) to accumulate a stake equivalent to 120% of our annual usage eventually.
AMA.
Ahah, they took the £20 energy saving kettle trope and just went ham.
The government have a Micro-generation scheme to allow for home installs:
[https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/microgeneration-certification-scheme-mcs-transfer-to-mcs-service-company](https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/microgeneration-certification-scheme-mcs-transfer-to-mcs-service-company)
The wind turbine specific docs are here:
[https://mcscertified.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/MCS-006.pdf](https://mcscertified.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/MCS-006.pdf)
The specifics are listed here:
[https://www.planningportal.co.uk/permission/common-projects/wind-turbines/planning-permission-stand-alone-wind-turbines](https://www.planningportal.co.uk/permission/common-projects/wind-turbines/planning-permission-stand-alone-wind-turbines)
And they are:
Limits to be met:
>Development is permitted only if the stand alone wind turbine installation complies with the Microgeneration Certification Scheme Planning Standard (MCS 020) or equivalent standards. Read more about the scheme.
>
>The installation must not be sited on safeguarded land.
>
>Only the first installation of any wind turbine would be permitted development, and only if there is no existing air source heat pump at the property. Additional wind turbines or air source heat pumps at the same property requires an application for planning permission.
>
>The highest part of the stand alone wind turbine must not exceed 11.1 metres.
>
>The distance between ground level and the lowest part of any wind turbine blade must not be less than five metres.
>
>An installation is not permitted if any part of the stand alone wind turbine (including blades) would be in a position which is less than a distance equivalent to the overall height of the turbine (including blades) plus 10 per cent of its height when measured from any point along the property boundary.
>
>The swept area of any stand alone wind turbine blade must be no more than 3.8 square metres.
>
>In Conservation Areas, development would not be permitted if the stand alone wind turbine would be installed so that it is nearer to any highway which bounds the curtilage (garden or grounds) of the house or block of flats than the part of the house or block of flats which is nearest to that highway.
>
>Permitted development rights do not apply to a turbine within the curtilage of a Listed Building or within a site designated as a Scheduled Monument or on designated land* other than Conservation Areas.
In addition, the following conditions must also be met. The wind turbine must:
>use non-reflective materials on blades.
>
>be removed as soon as reasonably practicable when no longer needed for microgeneration.
>
>be sited, so far as is practicable, to minimise its effect on the external appearance of the building and its effect on the amenity of the area.
I’d love to see a comprehensive list of turbines that actually fall under this scheme if anyone has one!
Surely for 100 billion they plan to spend they could fit most homes in the UK with solar panels or build wind / solar farms
People here are not reading the article. You invest in an existing farm. You don’t literally build your own.
Why are we discussing what’s basically an advert? Nothing against Ripple, but this is just a promotion dressed up as journalism. Hell, I’m not even sure it is dressed up…
Is it a farm at such small scale?
Wind-owbox?
Sounds good actually, I’ll make a reservation.