We keep seeing this headline and nothing is fucking done at all.
We live in a country that highly encourages young people to fuck off out of the country, and which relies heavily on them doing so in order for the individual and the country to survive. The idea of being able to own a home, to start a family, to climb the social ladder, is becoming more and more of a pipe dream. If you seek mental health advice from professionals, provided you aren’t run out of the doctors office, there’s insane wait times to actually speak to someone who can help. Its just strain after strain, with very little support, and what support you manage to get is often given begrudgingly.
Mentally, it’s fucking draining, and it feels like the issues facing younger people are getting worse and worse with each passing day.
Reading this makes me feel ill.
My son is not in a good place, I’ve counselling organised and doctors appointments.
The counsellor specialises in men between the ages of 18 and 23.
I just don’t know what else to do.
Well you can’t afford a car anymore. If you are living in a rural place you basically will have no social life, no transportation to try and get one and no chance of moving out because of the price of housing. You keep backing people into corners and you get situations like this. Then you have the opposite in the city where you maybe have different pressures that affect your mental health. It really is a fairly bleak time, other than gaming I think I would have been a fairly bad situation if I was born a few years later.
It should be pointed out that the actual suicide rates are higher than what’s reported. Sometimes the family would prefer an open verdict or another cause of death. When my granda deliberately stopped taking his meds that kept his heart working, the coroner ruled that it was a natural heart failure
This is honestly the bleakest and saddest news there is. This needs to be fixed.
It’s not a popular thing to say, but the absolutely rampant normalisation of generalising hate speech about human beings who happen to be male is impossible to sweep under the carpet when statistics like this come up.
It’s been bad for most of the 2010s since around 2014 or so, but the last three or four years it’s genuinely become a bit shocking just how socially acceptable it is for people to spread memes and make casual off the cuff “men are the worst” remarks.
Coupled with the fact that it’s (rightly!) socially *unacceptable* to flip the genders and make the same kind of remarks, there’s a real sense of hopelessness and injustice among many who are exposed to this crap at a young age. And nobody seems to care about the impact of such injustices on mental health, because “clearly those people need to think in collectivist, systemic terms and not about individuals” or some such shite.
It’s very, very difficult to talk about this because anyone who tries is immediately jumped on as a whingey eejit at best and a secret far-right nazi at worst. Because clearly those who believe that equality should apply to everyone are in fact ultra-conservative fascists. But it’s a serious problem. And I feel I can say this because I’m in my early thirties and I can at least anecdotally say that myself and several of my friends have been seriously impacted by the normalisation of this shit over the last number of years, it comes up in conversation every now and again and it all just feels so… Bleak.
Look, maybe it’s true that the vast majority of us are shitty people and that it’s only a small minority who are worthy of being regarded as human beings with actual worth and feelings. Obviously I find such a proposition absolutely sickening, not to mention utterly moronic. But just for a moment imagine that it is indeed the case – doesn’t the existence of such a subset still ultimately mean that generalisations shouldn’t be considered ok? This is the case with literally every other demographic – you’re not allowed, in polite society, to say “X are Y” where “X” is a demographic descriptor and “Y” is a criticism. But with us, that’s simply not the case. And when you’re young, that kind of injustice fucking *hurts*. Especially when you’ve been raised in a society which has taught you from birth to be kind and respectful towards the other side under all circumstances.
IDK, it feels very pointless typing any of this out, but it is what it is. This will continue, IMO, to be a problem until this particular cause of it is on the table as a problem society should attempt to address. “Teach young boys not to be bad people” is all the rage as a soundbite these days, is it possible that “teach young girls that boys have feelings and are all different individual people” could be on the table as well? So that people in their twenties and thirties won’t think it’s ok to make memes generalising an entire demographic just because some people within that demographic are absolute shitheads? If I amalgamated all of the bad experiences I’ve had with women (among the endlessly uncountable good ones, just to be clear!) and put up a “jokey” Facebook or Instagram story that just said “Mood: Ugh. Women.”, I’d get ostracised socially and probably banned from either platform. **And that’s a good thing**, such bigotry shouldn’t be accepted. But I see that kind of shit from so many people on a daily basis with the demographics reversed, and apparently, that’s entirely acceptable.
All I’m saying is, raise people with such double standards instilled into them, and many of them will end up feeling extremely put upon just because of who they are. Some of those people will decide that the constant attacks on their identity aren’t worth it, and in my opinion that conclusion will ultimately contribute to horrific statistics just like these.
EDIT: The fact that this is getting downvoted underlines exactly what I’m saying, TBH. It seems highly unlikely that those downvoting believe such hate speech is *not* rampant, so therefore more likely that they think it’s acceptable. And just being aware of that injustice really, really fucks with a young person’s mind.
fucken hell
Late registered deaths:
Death due to intentional self-harm is classified as an unnatural death and therefore, must be referred to the Coroner for investigation. This investigation can take a protracted length of time to complete for various reasons (such as getting medical reports, health and safety reports, engineer’s report, the involvement of the Director of Public Prosecutions etc.) and this delays the registration of such deaths. There were 989 deaths registered late in 2021, of which 595 were male and 394 were female. There were 612 of these late registered deaths that occurred in 2019 and 377 that occurred in various years prior to 2019. See table B.
To address this problem the CSO publishes tables of late registered deaths by cause of death, sex and specific age-groups in the relevant Vital Statistics Annual Report. Numbers of deaths registered late due to intentional self-harm in 2021 will be included in the Appendix 2021 of the Annual Report 2021 and will be referred to the year that the death occurred i.e. 2019 and prior. These will be published in table 3.C and 3.D of that report which is scheduled for dissemination in October 2023. Therefore, any additional deaths due to intentional self-harm will be added to the deaths that were registered in time to be included in the relevant Annual Report.
For example:
There were 390 deaths due to intentional self-harm in 2019, 300 (or 76.9%) males and 90 (or 23.1%) females and were reported in table 3.17 of the Vital Statistics Annual Report 2019. Any death assigned an underlying cause of death that is included in the 612 late registered deaths in 2021, and where death occurred in 2019, will be added to the 390 figure of deaths due to intentional self-harm when the Vital Statistics Annual Report 2021 is published. Please refer to the CSO open data portal (tables VSD33 and VSD34) for the most up to date figures on deaths from intentional self-harm.
I want to get checked for ADHD.. for various reasons.. I’m currently on a 3 year waiting list after having a proper argument with my doctor on whether or not I should get a consultation. He told me because I play instruments and have a good job, I don’t have adhd. Now I know adhd and depression aren’t the same… but fuck me some of my habits get me down and I can’t do anything to shift them
Stop voting FF FG. They do not give a fuck about us.
I always wonder when you hear on the news about an overnight fatal single car crash with one male occupant, how many of those are actually suicides that aren’t considered or counted as such.
It’s mad that there were 524 suicides compared with 140 road deaths.
Combatting road deaths is rightly given huge funding and attention but I don’t think mental health is given the same sort of attention at all (albeit it’s a far harder thing to tackle)
This is so sad. There could be any number of reasons, but I think mostly it boils down to people being terrible to one another, in a variety of different ways. I know that’s quite simplistic, but it’s apparent to me anyways.
I’ll just leave it here for anyone who may need it.
If you are struggling with your mental health and/or you find yourself thinking about suicide you can text 50808 and chat with a crisis volunteer. The service is sponsored by the HSE and we are there to provide you with the support you need and deserve. It’s free and anonymous and we can provide some other resources that could help you following the chat.
It’s available 24/7 and we are here to listen. No issues is too big or too small and sometimes a chat can make the difference.
EDIT: because there seem to be some confusion. The person you talk to doesn’t follow a script, you can text in for any reason even if you don’t have suicidal ideations and we will talk to you and listen to you if you’re going through a tough time whatsoever the reason is. We don’t just check if you’re suicidal and send you your merry way.
So many lads when i was going to secondary school killed themselves in the 7 years I went. Just boys.
3 lads I knew from secondary school killed themselves over the years and i’m only 26 right now. One was because his gf dumped him, the others I say just didn’t have much going on for themselves and were down that they were trapped by that.
“If youre struggling, please talk to someone”
​
Fucking. Who?
The 18-25 period of a man’s life is so difficult.
One thing that I’ve noticed from experience is that I feel is a huge cause of the issue is that young men are thought that they need to have a reason to love themselves. I see young women are encouraged to love themselves just for existing, and have a ton of support from the media and institutions. This is something we really need to adopt for men too.
I often see if a guy tries to express that he loves himself without having “achieved” something to justify it, people are very quick to tear him down. A sort of “why do you think you’re so great? What have you done?” Attitude.
I’m 27, and I’m only starting to achieve things that I’m actually proud of now. A decade is a long time to slog through when you’re conditioned to believe you’re entire self worth should be based on whether or not you’re achieving more than the fella next to you.
I know people don’t like Jordan Peterson, and I know there’s a ton of reasons not to (his behaviour since his coma is very hard to justify) but I’m so glad I discovered his books, and started reading Stoic philosophy when I was in this period of my life. Really helped me get my head on straight.
It also doesn’t help that it’s so hard to talk about men’s issues without people trying to chime in to minimise them, or say that they’re our own fault. I reckon that’s why people had such a strong reaction to that scene in the new Hulk show. I’d say lads are just sick of being told that their issues don’t matter when compared to other people’s problems.
I’m lucky that I have such a great partner. She listens to my issues and I listen to hers. No minimising. Most people don’t seem to have that.
No one gives a fuck so we deal in our own way, it’s apart of been a man unfortunately.
There’s not enough support systems out there for men. Usually told to just ‘man up’. To my knowledge (and please correct me if I’m wrong) isn’t there only 1 domestic abuse centre in ireland for men?
Nothing should be killing young men under 25.
I think anything about this subject should have help as the first comment
The biggest thing is when certain people do the whole ‘talk to people if your feeling down’ thing and then when you insinuate to these certain people that you might be struggling a bit they do the whole ‘yeah life can be tough, we all go through this sort of thing”.
If that’s your reply if I’m letting you know when things are getting rough how the fuck can you expect me to talk to you straight when I’m suicidal
Felt the sting of this particular issue so many times over the years, at this stage I’m desensitized to it, which is grim enough but I’m sure others can relate.
Myself and a few pals made a short film about this topic a while back, maybe some of you might find it healing (please wait for the end, trust me)
Everyone should do SafeTalk training. It’s a half day free training through the HSE that teaches people how to notice the signs of suicide and how to talk to people who exhibit those signs. Anyone can do it, and the more people who do it the more lives can be saved.
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We keep seeing this headline and nothing is fucking done at all.
We live in a country that highly encourages young people to fuck off out of the country, and which relies heavily on them doing so in order for the individual and the country to survive. The idea of being able to own a home, to start a family, to climb the social ladder, is becoming more and more of a pipe dream. If you seek mental health advice from professionals, provided you aren’t run out of the doctors office, there’s insane wait times to actually speak to someone who can help. Its just strain after strain, with very little support, and what support you manage to get is often given begrudgingly.
Mentally, it’s fucking draining, and it feels like the issues facing younger people are getting worse and worse with each passing day.
Reading this makes me feel ill.
My son is not in a good place, I’ve counselling organised and doctors appointments.
The counsellor specialises in men between the ages of 18 and 23.
I just don’t know what else to do.
Well you can’t afford a car anymore. If you are living in a rural place you basically will have no social life, no transportation to try and get one and no chance of moving out because of the price of housing. You keep backing people into corners and you get situations like this. Then you have the opposite in the city where you maybe have different pressures that affect your mental health. It really is a fairly bleak time, other than gaming I think I would have been a fairly bad situation if I was born a few years later.
It should be pointed out that the actual suicide rates are higher than what’s reported. Sometimes the family would prefer an open verdict or another cause of death. When my granda deliberately stopped taking his meds that kept his heart working, the coroner ruled that it was a natural heart failure
This is honestly the bleakest and saddest news there is. This needs to be fixed.
It’s not a popular thing to say, but the absolutely rampant normalisation of generalising hate speech about human beings who happen to be male is impossible to sweep under the carpet when statistics like this come up.
It’s been bad for most of the 2010s since around 2014 or so, but the last three or four years it’s genuinely become a bit shocking just how socially acceptable it is for people to spread memes and make casual off the cuff “men are the worst” remarks.
Coupled with the fact that it’s (rightly!) socially *unacceptable* to flip the genders and make the same kind of remarks, there’s a real sense of hopelessness and injustice among many who are exposed to this crap at a young age. And nobody seems to care about the impact of such injustices on mental health, because “clearly those people need to think in collectivist, systemic terms and not about individuals” or some such shite.
It’s very, very difficult to talk about this because anyone who tries is immediately jumped on as a whingey eejit at best and a secret far-right nazi at worst. Because clearly those who believe that equality should apply to everyone are in fact ultra-conservative fascists. But it’s a serious problem. And I feel I can say this because I’m in my early thirties and I can at least anecdotally say that myself and several of my friends have been seriously impacted by the normalisation of this shit over the last number of years, it comes up in conversation every now and again and it all just feels so… Bleak.
Look, maybe it’s true that the vast majority of us are shitty people and that it’s only a small minority who are worthy of being regarded as human beings with actual worth and feelings. Obviously I find such a proposition absolutely sickening, not to mention utterly moronic. But just for a moment imagine that it is indeed the case – doesn’t the existence of such a subset still ultimately mean that generalisations shouldn’t be considered ok? This is the case with literally every other demographic – you’re not allowed, in polite society, to say “X are Y” where “X” is a demographic descriptor and “Y” is a criticism. But with us, that’s simply not the case. And when you’re young, that kind of injustice fucking *hurts*. Especially when you’ve been raised in a society which has taught you from birth to be kind and respectful towards the other side under all circumstances.
IDK, it feels very pointless typing any of this out, but it is what it is. This will continue, IMO, to be a problem until this particular cause of it is on the table as a problem society should attempt to address. “Teach young boys not to be bad people” is all the rage as a soundbite these days, is it possible that “teach young girls that boys have feelings and are all different individual people” could be on the table as well? So that people in their twenties and thirties won’t think it’s ok to make memes generalising an entire demographic just because some people within that demographic are absolute shitheads? If I amalgamated all of the bad experiences I’ve had with women (among the endlessly uncountable good ones, just to be clear!) and put up a “jokey” Facebook or Instagram story that just said “Mood: Ugh. Women.”, I’d get ostracised socially and probably banned from either platform. **And that’s a good thing**, such bigotry shouldn’t be accepted. But I see that kind of shit from so many people on a daily basis with the demographics reversed, and apparently, that’s entirely acceptable.
All I’m saying is, raise people with such double standards instilled into them, and many of them will end up feeling extremely put upon just because of who they are. Some of those people will decide that the constant attacks on their identity aren’t worth it, and in my opinion that conclusion will ultimately contribute to horrific statistics just like these.
EDIT: The fact that this is getting downvoted underlines exactly what I’m saying, TBH. It seems highly unlikely that those downvoting believe such hate speech is *not* rampant, so therefore more likely that they think it’s acceptable. And just being aware of that injustice really, really fucks with a young person’s mind.
fucken hell
Late registered deaths:
Death due to intentional self-harm is classified as an unnatural death and therefore, must be referred to the Coroner for investigation. This investigation can take a protracted length of time to complete for various reasons (such as getting medical reports, health and safety reports, engineer’s report, the involvement of the Director of Public Prosecutions etc.) and this delays the registration of such deaths. There were 989 deaths registered late in 2021, of which 595 were male and 394 were female. There were 612 of these late registered deaths that occurred in 2019 and 377 that occurred in various years prior to 2019. See table B.
To address this problem the CSO publishes tables of late registered deaths by cause of death, sex and specific age-groups in the relevant Vital Statistics Annual Report. Numbers of deaths registered late due to intentional self-harm in 2021 will be included in the Appendix 2021 of the Annual Report 2021 and will be referred to the year that the death occurred i.e. 2019 and prior. These will be published in table 3.C and 3.D of that report which is scheduled for dissemination in October 2023. Therefore, any additional deaths due to intentional self-harm will be added to the deaths that were registered in time to be included in the relevant Annual Report.
For example:
There were 390 deaths due to intentional self-harm in 2019, 300 (or 76.9%) males and 90 (or 23.1%) females and were reported in table 3.17 of the Vital Statistics Annual Report 2019. Any death assigned an underlying cause of death that is included in the 612 late registered deaths in 2021, and where death occurred in 2019, will be added to the 390 figure of deaths due to intentional self-harm when the Vital Statistics Annual Report 2021 is published. Please refer to the CSO open data portal (tables VSD33 and VSD34) for the most up to date figures on deaths from intentional self-harm.
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-vsys/vitalstatisticsyearlysummary2021/
I want to get checked for ADHD.. for various reasons.. I’m currently on a 3 year waiting list after having a proper argument with my doctor on whether or not I should get a consultation. He told me because I play instruments and have a good job, I don’t have adhd. Now I know adhd and depression aren’t the same… but fuck me some of my habits get me down and I can’t do anything to shift them
Stop voting FF FG. They do not give a fuck about us.
I always wonder when you hear on the news about an overnight fatal single car crash with one male occupant, how many of those are actually suicides that aren’t considered or counted as such.
It’s mad that there were 524 suicides compared with 140 road deaths.
Combatting road deaths is rightly given huge funding and attention but I don’t think mental health is given the same sort of attention at all (albeit it’s a far harder thing to tackle)
This is so sad. There could be any number of reasons, but I think mostly it boils down to people being terrible to one another, in a variety of different ways. I know that’s quite simplistic, but it’s apparent to me anyways.
I’ll just leave it here for anyone who may need it.
If you are struggling with your mental health and/or you find yourself thinking about suicide you can text 50808 and chat with a crisis volunteer. The service is sponsored by the HSE and we are there to provide you with the support you need and deserve. It’s free and anonymous and we can provide some other resources that could help you following the chat.
It’s available 24/7 and we are here to listen. No issues is too big or too small and sometimes a chat can make the difference.
EDIT: because there seem to be some confusion. The person you talk to doesn’t follow a script, you can text in for any reason even if you don’t have suicidal ideations and we will talk to you and listen to you if you’re going through a tough time whatsoever the reason is. We don’t just check if you’re suicidal and send you your merry way.
So many lads when i was going to secondary school killed themselves in the 7 years I went. Just boys.
3 lads I knew from secondary school killed themselves over the years and i’m only 26 right now. One was because his gf dumped him, the others I say just didn’t have much going on for themselves and were down that they were trapped by that.
“If youre struggling, please talk to someone”
​
Fucking. Who?
The 18-25 period of a man’s life is so difficult.
One thing that I’ve noticed from experience is that I feel is a huge cause of the issue is that young men are thought that they need to have a reason to love themselves. I see young women are encouraged to love themselves just for existing, and have a ton of support from the media and institutions. This is something we really need to adopt for men too.
I often see if a guy tries to express that he loves himself without having “achieved” something to justify it, people are very quick to tear him down. A sort of “why do you think you’re so great? What have you done?” Attitude.
I’m 27, and I’m only starting to achieve things that I’m actually proud of now. A decade is a long time to slog through when you’re conditioned to believe you’re entire self worth should be based on whether or not you’re achieving more than the fella next to you.
I know people don’t like Jordan Peterson, and I know there’s a ton of reasons not to (his behaviour since his coma is very hard to justify) but I’m so glad I discovered his books, and started reading Stoic philosophy when I was in this period of my life. Really helped me get my head on straight.
It also doesn’t help that it’s so hard to talk about men’s issues without people trying to chime in to minimise them, or say that they’re our own fault. I reckon that’s why people had such a strong reaction to that scene in the new Hulk show. I’d say lads are just sick of being told that their issues don’t matter when compared to other people’s problems.
I’m lucky that I have such a great partner. She listens to my issues and I listen to hers. No minimising. Most people don’t seem to have that.
No one gives a fuck so we deal in our own way, it’s apart of been a man unfortunately.
There’s not enough support systems out there for men. Usually told to just ‘man up’. To my knowledge (and please correct me if I’m wrong) isn’t there only 1 domestic abuse centre in ireland for men?
Nothing should be killing young men under 25.
I think anything about this subject should have help as the first comment
https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/list/4/mental-health-services/nosp/help/
The biggest thing is when certain people do the whole ‘talk to people if your feeling down’ thing and then when you insinuate to these certain people that you might be struggling a bit they do the whole ‘yeah life can be tough, we all go through this sort of thing”.
If that’s your reply if I’m letting you know when things are getting rough how the fuck can you expect me to talk to you straight when I’m suicidal
Felt the sting of this particular issue so many times over the years, at this stage I’m desensitized to it, which is grim enough but I’m sure others can relate.
Myself and a few pals made a short film about this topic a while back, maybe some of you might find it healing (please wait for the end, trust me)
https://youtu.be/hpVkeEO4cVc
Everyone should do SafeTalk training. It’s a half day free training through the HSE that teaches people how to notice the signs of suicide and how to talk to people who exhibit those signs. Anyone can do it, and the more people who do it the more lives can be saved.