> Launching its new Hate Crimes Hurt Us All campaign on Monday, the coalition is pushing for the introduction of tailored legislation and more deep-seated measures to address the problem.
Looking over at the UK this week and seeing the people getting arrested for using offence language shows that these type laws, good in nature are very serious threats to freedom of expression.
Wankers will always exist. I got shouted at this weekend by a load of young lads and I’m over 6 foot straight white man. No law is going to stop them. It’s a culture change that is needed. More Guards would help too.
very disappointing
You have intelligent, professional qualified people leaving their home countries and paying large amounts of tax here (and allowing large companies to be viable here, companies that pay gobs of corporation tax). And they you have scrotes abusing them on the streets. Let’s be honest, these folks are not being racially abused by other working people.
From RTE
> The ICCL said the sample may be small, but it **targeted key members** of the minority groups who have experienced hate and is a valuable “snapshot” into their daily lives.
gets generalized into
> Over 40% of Ireland’s minority community
Maybe I’m just too dense to follow, but a targeted survey to discuss a problem, isn’t a survey that can be generalized to the population.
With the obvious disclaimer that abusing people is wrong in place.
I’m a bit cynical about a report by an NGO where the outcome is derived from a questionable methodology where the outcomes supports legislation that they want passed at a time when the govt is trying to build public support for passing new hate crime laws.
You can like or dislike hate crime laws, but we should probably all be very careful to avoid building our political views off of potentially coordinated pr attempts where the underlying evidence is questionable
How many of these were in Dublin? No point blaming the rest of us for their crime issue
Not surprising. I’m a white immigrant. People are super chill with me, because they usually think I’m a tourist. As soon as they find out I live here the attitude completely shifts. Doesn’t bother me, because I’m super privileged. I imagine if I were brown it would be 100x worse.
What’s a “hate crime” and how can you prove hate, slippery slope
Regardless of what the figure is, I’m not surprised. There is a nasty undercurrent of racism in Ireland and no one wants to admit that.
A lot of it gets swept under the rug or justified away, pretending it’s not as bad as other countries etc. There’s even sometimes the notion that being Irish automatically makes us not being *capable* of racism, when I literally seen people blast out the likes of N words or other racist nonsense, some cases even from my own family.
I even see it on here. For example, I got heavily downvoted for simply pointing out determining that someone is “foreign” or not by skin colour is a literal example of racism.
People here twisting their minds into knots trying to disprove this. Maybe ask someone from these minority communities instead? This thread looks like something you would see in England.
I read that wrong and thought they support hate crime, how magnanimous
I was in Ireland for a month back in 2018. I am a filipino btw, I was surprised because I got called out racially by black teens while I was walking into town.
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Unfortunately I’m not surprised.
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> Launching its new Hate Crimes Hurt Us All campaign on Monday, the coalition is pushing for the introduction of tailored legislation and more deep-seated measures to address the problem.
Looking over at the UK this week and seeing the people getting arrested for using offence language shows that these type laws, good in nature are very serious threats to freedom of expression.
Wankers will always exist. I got shouted at this weekend by a load of young lads and I’m over 6 foot straight white man. No law is going to stop them. It’s a culture change that is needed. More Guards would help too.
very disappointing
You have intelligent, professional qualified people leaving their home countries and paying large amounts of tax here (and allowing large companies to be viable here, companies that pay gobs of corporation tax). And they you have scrotes abusing them on the streets. Let’s be honest, these folks are not being racially abused by other working people.
From RTE
> The ICCL said the sample may be small, but it **targeted key members** of the minority groups who have experienced hate and is a valuable “snapshot” into their daily lives.
gets generalized into
> Over 40% of Ireland’s minority community
Maybe I’m just too dense to follow, but a targeted survey to discuss a problem, isn’t a survey that can be generalized to the population.
With the obvious disclaimer that abusing people is wrong in place.
I’m a bit cynical about a report by an NGO where the outcome is derived from a questionable methodology where the outcomes supports legislation that they want passed at a time when the govt is trying to build public support for passing new hate crime laws.
You can like or dislike hate crime laws, but we should probably all be very careful to avoid building our political views off of potentially coordinated pr attempts where the underlying evidence is questionable
How many of these were in Dublin? No point blaming the rest of us for their crime issue
Not surprising. I’m a white immigrant. People are super chill with me, because they usually think I’m a tourist. As soon as they find out I live here the attitude completely shifts. Doesn’t bother me, because I’m super privileged. I imagine if I were brown it would be 100x worse.
What’s a “hate crime” and how can you prove hate, slippery slope
Regardless of what the figure is, I’m not surprised. There is a nasty undercurrent of racism in Ireland and no one wants to admit that.
A lot of it gets swept under the rug or justified away, pretending it’s not as bad as other countries etc. There’s even sometimes the notion that being Irish automatically makes us not being *capable* of racism, when I literally seen people blast out the likes of N words or other racist nonsense, some cases even from my own family.
I even see it on here. For example, I got heavily downvoted for simply pointing out determining that someone is “foreign” or not by skin colour is a literal example of racism.
People here twisting their minds into knots trying to disprove this. Maybe ask someone from these minority communities instead? This thread looks like something you would see in England.
I read that wrong and thought they support hate crime, how magnanimous
I was in Ireland for a month back in 2018. I am a filipino btw, I was surprised because I got called out racially by black teens while I was walking into town.