Ahh look! London being an awful BIN of a place as per.
A mob of a hundred or so youths looting shops, raiding convenience stores, robbing passers by, stomping on a woman and generally running amok. Sounds more like a third world country than London.
Absolute animals. And the thing is, they know there’s zero punishment for doing it.
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They need to bring somethign drastic in to reign in these feral savages roaming the streets. Make violent gang assaults a 10 year minimum sentence. If they’re underage–so what? They can do young offenders institute until they hit 18 and then it’s off to the big house for 10 years.
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There is ABSOLUTELY zero excuse to kick somebody’s head in in a feral pack like that.
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That horrific sound of excited whooping and those guys kinda dancing round, is pretty disturbing.
Lock em up. In my book if you feel man enough to commit violence like that, you’re also man enough to deal with the consequences.
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london..well theres a surprise
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Most peoples comments agree that this is truly horrible and this kind of behaviour has no place in a civilised society. I tend to agree.
A fair few seem to think the answer is to brutally and violently come down like the wrath of a deity on the perpetrators. If that was my daughter getting a shoeing on the floor like that I would tend to agree, however I don’t think that will solve the problem long term (this is being repeated all over the country not just LDN).
A smaller group seems to believe that the perpetrators of these crimes are not to blame for being the perpetrators of these horrible acts and it’s entirely down to the way they are treated by society. I can’t agree with this. However I do agree if people are treated like shit, disenfranchised from society and generally victims of circumstances it will lead to these things happening. Although I would not agree that it excuses what they have done.
Nearly all seem to believe that Croydon is a shit hole devoid of hope. Having been there a few times I would support this viewpoint one hundred percent.
My thoughts on how to deal with it are, they need arresting, interviewing and based on whatever evidence is available charging and sending to court, where if they are convicted an appropriate punishment is given to them.
I know I sound like a lunatic but there you go, that’s my opinion.
Croydon’s launched a pilot scheme for the future of the UK
Am I the only one who watches these videos and can’t see anything that’s supposed to be happening?
If the headline said it was a leopard attack, I’d have to take their word for it
UK is a lost cause now. I’m trying to move away if possible and would recommend to anyone else to do the same.
Cue the mental gymnastics blaming this on everyone but the perpetrators.
Wow look at all those aspiring football stars that will one day be described as “having a smile that lit up the room”, in past tense of course.
This country has an anti-social behaviour problem and it’s really high-time we went back to the early 2000s styles of cracking down on it. And yes while alternatives might work, there’s only so much molly-coddling and youth groups can do before someone from an idyllic surrey village chimes in to state the obvious.
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I don’t know why they are raiding shops in Croydon… I would’ve tried Harrods or something
If there are people in society doing this then clearly the way that society deals with the people that do this isn’t working.
As others have said, the way that these people are punished needs to shift – some element of public humiliation or shaming feels like a better solution than prison. Whatever it is there should be fresh thinking on how we properly deter people from acting in this manner.
Taking a longer term view it’s extremely worrying that these people might have kids.
Our transition into a shit hole country is almost complete.
Congratulations to all involved.
This sub is hilarious. When football hooligans go around beating each other up (which might I add is better than what is happening in this video), it’s all about football fans being meatheads, they should be locked up, they’re all racists etc. Sweeping generalisations.
When multiple videos of people beating up random people and robbing random shops goes around, all the sudden this sub says its only the “governments fault” and that the mob has 0 personal responsibility of its own, and that if they maybe had a few more swingsets then it wouldn’t be happening.
It absolutely reeks of spoilt millennial in this sub and this shows. Incapable of criticizing absolutely anything apart from the government, and refusing to believe any degree of personal responsibility exists.
This country is fucked, not enough police around to sort this shit out,and when they do make an arrest they have a useless legal system and piss poor jails where criminals are given playstations,pool tables and gyms as punishment, bring back hard labour, make these wannabe gangsters break rocks all day for some shitty prison food and an uncomfortable bed.!!!
There have been numerous incidents across the country this summer. A disillusioned youth failed by a failing government in a failing nation…
5 weeks and 2 days until me and my partner emigrate away from the UK. Cannot fucking wait
As someone who works with youth gang members I am seeing a lot of bad takes and excuses on here. Heres my two cents on the topic after many years of helping these people.
Yes these people are from deprived areas and need opportunities. I have however never spoken to a single person who said this is why they committed crime or joined a gang. I have heard it from people who are deeply into drugs or homeless but these people are mostly not the same groups of people and tend to be older (21 plus) as it takes time to get to this point. Infact prison gives an awful lot of opportunities to these people especially the youth justice system which basically throws unlimited money at them. But they are just not interested in taking them.
9/10 when you get to know these people there are two reasons they get involved in crime, family or cultural ties to crime. Some areas of the country or families just have a culture that crime and violence is a legitimate action.
The second group (often they overlap) will tell you they come from a broken home. Care leavers, single parents, abusive families or neglectful families. Unfortunately poor behaviour is rewarded in these environments. Especially care, where they learn bad behaviour gives them attention they want/need.
Both of these reasons to me fall under the same umbrella. No strong parental guidance and growing up with a lack of consequences for there actions and no boundaries. Our justice system, schools and social services are focused on giving young adults a lot if they commit crime. A lot of these people see this as soft, that they can get away with crimes and they must be treated in a certain way and they take advantage of this.
The most successful rehabilitation I have seen have come from the relationship between these kids and those who look after them. They will see the staff within prison/justice workers as a parental figure. From there we can encourage them on to education/opportunities.
This is where we should focus our current efforts. We already have the courses. training programs and job opportunities. We need to change our approach to instill boundaries first, then give prisons and social workers the resources to have the time to create these parental relationships.
There’s no fear of consequence anymore, everyone knows the police are so under-resourced as to be effectively impotent unless somebody actually dies. A mob swarmed the Macdonalds in our city last week and just took whatever they wanted but I haven’t seen any arrests or punishments over it.
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What happens when you have a police force that’s too scared of being called racists to actually deal with crime.
Don’t worry guys. Just take a knee and it’ll sort it out.
You know what will show these kids…a referral to youth services
I lived in Croydon for over twenty years and it was always a dodgy place, even during the daylight there would be stuff kicking off. I remember seeing a full on pub brawl at 1p.m on a Sunday afternoon once. If you went out in the evening you would always go in a group, being on your own would attract trouble very quickly. Certain pubs and clubs were definite “no go’s” unless you were known by the regulars.
If you went out on a date you would go to one of the “posh” parts of Croydon or better still Wallington, Carshalton Beaches or Sutton. Unless your girl didn’t mind slipping off her stiletto and joining in the fight. Which did happen to me in a pub in Beddington one memorable evening, I was having a heated discussion with one bloke his mate was going to glass me over the head but the girl I was with saw this and clubbed him on the back of the head, with her stiletto and face when he turned to hit her. Apparently, according to the Croydon Advertiser he needed stitches in all three puncture wounds.
I hope the girl is alright and makes a speedy recovery.
If anyone from Croydon read’s this what’s Roundshaw like now? It used to be really bad especially the pub on the estate the Merry Go Round, we only went there about 10 – 12 times but there was always fight’s.
It’s fascinating watching clips from London these days
You truly are watching a city slowly slide into madness but any time you say anything about it people rush to the defence only for it to happen again and again
“It’s happening everywhere”
Yeah i’m still waiting for large crowds of unruly youths go around smashing stuff up and attacking people. Weirdly still hasn’t happened yet where I live despite living in a poor, former coal-mining town
Glad to see Sadiq’s soft-touch on crime really is bearing fruit
*sorts by controversial*
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Imagine paying 4x the cost for housing to live in a gang territory.
Please don’t blame this on poverty, this is a bunch of cunts with zero Morales
Dog whistles ready people!
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Croydon’s a fucking shithole and I’m so glad I moved away when I could. This, sadly, isn’t even that unusual for the area.
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“These people have no agency, they are merely the conduits of factors outside their control. They can’t be blamed for what they do. In fact, it’s probably our fault.” – the overriding tone of this thread
This is shit you see happening the background of Robocop or Escape from New York….
People on here saying you can only blame the perpetrators and parents and no one else, really need to look into Scotlands Violent Reduction Unit. At one point Glasgow was continually being named as one of the most violent cities in Europe and elsewhere. Stabbings were particularly a problem. So first of all yes the police were tough on these crimes. But the unit also worked with housing agents, charities and local communities to cure the problem. By giving youths some form of hope rather than despair and hopelessness, by tackling poverty, by increasing youth services and giving them something to do, they began to break the cycles that led to crime and violence.
So it’s not outlandish to suggest the government is at fault for continued austerity. Why well when you look at the above and the success it had (it was also successful elsewhere like Boston), then it’s not much of a stretch to say cutting police budgets, cutting services for youths, adults etc, increasing poverty, and so on is going to lead to increased crime and violence.
This can all be tackled by taking a leaf out of Glasgows book. But that is going to need a government to invest.
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Ahh look! London being an awful BIN of a place as per.
A mob of a hundred or so youths looting shops, raiding convenience stores, robbing passers by, stomping on a woman and generally running amok. Sounds more like a third world country than London.
Absolute animals. And the thing is, they know there’s zero punishment for doing it.
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They need to bring somethign drastic in to reign in these feral savages roaming the streets. Make violent gang assaults a 10 year minimum sentence. If they’re underage–so what? They can do young offenders institute until they hit 18 and then it’s off to the big house for 10 years.
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There is ABSOLUTELY zero excuse to kick somebody’s head in in a feral pack like that.
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That horrific sound of excited whooping and those guys kinda dancing round, is pretty disturbing.
Lock em up. In my book if you feel man enough to commit violence like that, you’re also man enough to deal with the consequences.
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london..well theres a surprise
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Most peoples comments agree that this is truly horrible and this kind of behaviour has no place in a civilised society. I tend to agree.
A fair few seem to think the answer is to brutally and violently come down like the wrath of a deity on the perpetrators. If that was my daughter getting a shoeing on the floor like that I would tend to agree, however I don’t think that will solve the problem long term (this is being repeated all over the country not just LDN).
A smaller group seems to believe that the perpetrators of these crimes are not to blame for being the perpetrators of these horrible acts and it’s entirely down to the way they are treated by society. I can’t agree with this. However I do agree if people are treated like shit, disenfranchised from society and generally victims of circumstances it will lead to these things happening. Although I would not agree that it excuses what they have done.
Nearly all seem to believe that Croydon is a shit hole devoid of hope. Having been there a few times I would support this viewpoint one hundred percent.
My thoughts on how to deal with it are, they need arresting, interviewing and based on whatever evidence is available charging and sending to court, where if they are convicted an appropriate punishment is given to them.
I know I sound like a lunatic but there you go, that’s my opinion.
Croydon’s launched a pilot scheme for the future of the UK
Am I the only one who watches these videos and can’t see anything that’s supposed to be happening?
If the headline said it was a leopard attack, I’d have to take their word for it
UK is a lost cause now. I’m trying to move away if possible and would recommend to anyone else to do the same.
Cue the mental gymnastics blaming this on everyone but the perpetrators.
Wow look at all those aspiring football stars that will one day be described as “having a smile that lit up the room”, in past tense of course.
This country has an anti-social behaviour problem and it’s really high-time we went back to the early 2000s styles of cracking down on it. And yes while alternatives might work, there’s only so much molly-coddling and youth groups can do before someone from an idyllic surrey village chimes in to state the obvious.
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I don’t know why they are raiding shops in Croydon… I would’ve tried Harrods or something
If there are people in society doing this then clearly the way that society deals with the people that do this isn’t working.
As others have said, the way that these people are punished needs to shift – some element of public humiliation or shaming feels like a better solution than prison. Whatever it is there should be fresh thinking on how we properly deter people from acting in this manner.
Taking a longer term view it’s extremely worrying that these people might have kids.
Our transition into a shit hole country is almost complete.
Congratulations to all involved.
This sub is hilarious. When football hooligans go around beating each other up (which might I add is better than what is happening in this video), it’s all about football fans being meatheads, they should be locked up, they’re all racists etc. Sweeping generalisations.
When multiple videos of people beating up random people and robbing random shops goes around, all the sudden this sub says its only the “governments fault” and that the mob has 0 personal responsibility of its own, and that if they maybe had a few more swingsets then it wouldn’t be happening.
It absolutely reeks of spoilt millennial in this sub and this shows. Incapable of criticizing absolutely anything apart from the government, and refusing to believe any degree of personal responsibility exists.
This country is fucked, not enough police around to sort this shit out,and when they do make an arrest they have a useless legal system and piss poor jails where criminals are given playstations,pool tables and gyms as punishment, bring back hard labour, make these wannabe gangsters break rocks all day for some shitty prison food and an uncomfortable bed.!!!
There have been numerous incidents across the country this summer. A disillusioned youth failed by a failing government in a failing nation…
5 weeks and 2 days until me and my partner emigrate away from the UK. Cannot fucking wait
As someone who works with youth gang members I am seeing a lot of bad takes and excuses on here. Heres my two cents on the topic after many years of helping these people.
Yes these people are from deprived areas and need opportunities. I have however never spoken to a single person who said this is why they committed crime or joined a gang. I have heard it from people who are deeply into drugs or homeless but these people are mostly not the same groups of people and tend to be older (21 plus) as it takes time to get to this point. Infact prison gives an awful lot of opportunities to these people especially the youth justice system which basically throws unlimited money at them. But they are just not interested in taking them.
9/10 when you get to know these people there are two reasons they get involved in crime, family or cultural ties to crime. Some areas of the country or families just have a culture that crime and violence is a legitimate action.
The second group (often they overlap) will tell you they come from a broken home. Care leavers, single parents, abusive families or neglectful families. Unfortunately poor behaviour is rewarded in these environments. Especially care, where they learn bad behaviour gives them attention they want/need.
Both of these reasons to me fall under the same umbrella. No strong parental guidance and growing up with a lack of consequences for there actions and no boundaries. Our justice system, schools and social services are focused on giving young adults a lot if they commit crime. A lot of these people see this as soft, that they can get away with crimes and they must be treated in a certain way and they take advantage of this.
The most successful rehabilitation I have seen have come from the relationship between these kids and those who look after them. They will see the staff within prison/justice workers as a parental figure. From there we can encourage them on to education/opportunities.
This is where we should focus our current efforts. We already have the courses. training programs and job opportunities. We need to change our approach to instill boundaries first, then give prisons and social workers the resources to have the time to create these parental relationships.
There’s no fear of consequence anymore, everyone knows the police are so under-resourced as to be effectively impotent unless somebody actually dies. A mob swarmed the Macdonalds in our city last week and just took whatever they wanted but I haven’t seen any arrests or punishments over it.
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What happens when you have a police force that’s too scared of being called racists to actually deal with crime.
Don’t worry guys. Just take a knee and it’ll sort it out.
You know what will show these kids…a referral to youth services
I lived in Croydon for over twenty years and it was always a dodgy place, even during the daylight there would be stuff kicking off. I remember seeing a full on pub brawl at 1p.m on a Sunday afternoon once. If you went out in the evening you would always go in a group, being on your own would attract trouble very quickly. Certain pubs and clubs were definite “no go’s” unless you were known by the regulars.
If you went out on a date you would go to one of the “posh” parts of Croydon or better still Wallington, Carshalton Beaches or Sutton. Unless your girl didn’t mind slipping off her stiletto and joining in the fight. Which did happen to me in a pub in Beddington one memorable evening, I was having a heated discussion with one bloke his mate was going to glass me over the head but the girl I was with saw this and clubbed him on the back of the head, with her stiletto and face when he turned to hit her. Apparently, according to the Croydon Advertiser he needed stitches in all three puncture wounds.
I hope the girl is alright and makes a speedy recovery.
If anyone from Croydon read’s this what’s Roundshaw like now? It used to be really bad especially the pub on the estate the Merry Go Round, we only went there about 10 – 12 times but there was always fight’s.
It’s fascinating watching clips from London these days
You truly are watching a city slowly slide into madness but any time you say anything about it people rush to the defence only for it to happen again and again
“It’s happening everywhere”
Yeah i’m still waiting for large crowds of unruly youths go around smashing stuff up and attacking people. Weirdly still hasn’t happened yet where I live despite living in a poor, former coal-mining town
Glad to see Sadiq’s soft-touch on crime really is bearing fruit
*sorts by controversial*
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Imagine paying 4x the cost for housing to live in a gang territory.
Please don’t blame this on poverty, this is a bunch of cunts with zero Morales
Dog whistles ready people!
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Croydon’s a fucking shithole and I’m so glad I moved away when I could. This, sadly, isn’t even that unusual for the area.
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“These people have no agency, they are merely the conduits of factors outside their control. They can’t be blamed for what they do. In fact, it’s probably our fault.” – the overriding tone of this thread
This is shit you see happening the background of Robocop or Escape from New York….
People on here saying you can only blame the perpetrators and parents and no one else, really need to look into Scotlands Violent Reduction Unit. At one point Glasgow was continually being named as one of the most violent cities in Europe and elsewhere. Stabbings were particularly a problem. So first of all yes the police were tough on these crimes. But the unit also worked with housing agents, charities and local communities to cure the problem. By giving youths some form of hope rather than despair and hopelessness, by tackling poverty, by increasing youth services and giving them something to do, they began to break the cycles that led to crime and violence.
So it’s not outlandish to suggest the government is at fault for continued austerity. Why well when you look at the above and the success it had (it was also successful elsewhere like Boston), then it’s not much of a stretch to say cutting police budgets, cutting services for youths, adults etc, increasing poverty, and so on is going to lead to increased crime and violence.
This can all be tackled by taking a leaf out of Glasgows book. But that is going to need a government to invest.