Given just how sycophantic and totally one-sided the completely non-stop coverage has been, I’m not surprised.
Not to mention that Charles is substantially less popular than Liz ever was.
By the look of this photo, a ‘vast surge’ in interest would mean they double their protesters from one to two
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Smith responded by saying it was “one of the most stupid things the world has ever heard … if other events somehow overshadow it then so be it. Most of the country are going to be doing other things and we need to stop pretending that this is the whole country mourning.”
I think this is spot on. Currently we are allowing a very small minority of hardcore monarchists dictate public discussion on this. They are hyper sensitive and vicious when their beliefs are challenged. We need to be brave enough to sit them down and explain to them that, no the entire nation is not bawling their eyes out like they are.
Really no surprise after the recent propaganda overload from the likes of the BBC.
Republicanism is less popular than bringing back the death penalty.
It wouldn’t surprise me. I bet a lot of people are like me – vaguely republican but liked Queen Elizabeth. If the royal family had any sense of self-preservation, Charles would have abdicated in favour of William.
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I wouldn’t read anything into it – anything that gets saturation media coverage sees a surge of interest, both pro and anti.
If there were organised anti-football groups, they’d be ballooning every time there’s a World Cup, But as there are no such things, the nearest equivalent is a burst of *Look at me, I’m a bit different because I don’t like football* posts on Reddit on the days there’s an England game.
Call back if that wave of interest in republicanism is still there in five year’s times. Then it might mean something.
For balance, I anticipate this group being invited onto the BBC to be allowed to air their views with no challenge or pushback.
Any day now….
It’s not going to go very far, it never does in the end
The last time we abolished the monarchy it ended so well. We had a dictator who committed genocide against the Irish, tried abolishing anything fun and was basically just another king. It ended so badly that when Oliver Cromwell died they just invited Charles II back as king.
The “surge” is hardly a surprise. Next week, one of Jordans implants will explode or England will beat Germany, everything will be back to normal, watching kittens do cute things on tik-tok and wondering how to pay the bills and the weather.
I mean, their not gonna say anything else than that are they?
This sub is very anti-monarchy when compared to the nation, so a “surge” won’t do much. Like floating a boat with a glass full of water.
I understand people who are anti-monarchy, but I struggle with anyone who thinks we should have an elected head of state on top of what we’ve already got.
The last 6-8 years alone since Brexit was announced should be enough to show what an utter shitshow it would be, and people who currently shout “not my King” would just end up shouting “not my President”.
I really do not want us to turn into America politically.
Just because interest in republican campaign groups has grown it doesn’t mean interest in support of the monarchy hasn’t grown either. This whole affair is playing into peoples sense of national identity and affinity for tradition and ceremony.
Realistically there is way too much support for the monarchy for it to be abolished anytime soon. I can’t see it going even this century. And I’m saying that as someone who is firmly republican minded. Charles won’t be King for long. William is popular, especially among the middle class, as his his wife and their family as a whole. That easily propels the monarchy to the end of the century if not beyond.
Interesting fact. People born British do not need to pledge allegiance to the Queen/King, however everyone who becomes a British citizen, has to do it.
*Affirmation of allegiance:
I (name) do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that on becoming a British Citizen, I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, her Heirs and Successors, according to law*
I suspect the number of committed republicans will increase.
I also suspect the number who actively dislike and distrust those republicans who make up calls to abolish the monarchy will increase by an even greater number.
At the end of it all, I suspect nothing much will change.
I find George Orwell’s arguments about how Britain being a constitutional monarchy is one of the main reasons fascism/communism never gained a foothold here to be pretty fantastic to be honest.
Republicans whining trying to make the state funeral all about them is boring.
Just think, a few untimely deaths and we could have had King Andrew.
I dunno man, have your belief in how a country should be governed but kicking off at anyone’s funeral has a level of Westboro Baptist sanity to it.
I think the royals getting more attention will inherently make more people both actively want to get rid of them *and* make more people actively support them.
The reality is that most people don’t think about the royal family most days, and therefore mostly don’t *care*.
Isn’t a surge in anything likely when a certain event happens.
Your hear absolutely little from that side before, loads when it’s being talked about, and then disappears into silence again.
Modern technology also skews this.
I love how coverage of increased interest in a more democratic society is framed with skepticism & distrust… could’ve been “reports”, or “announces”, but no- UK press goes with the word that’s synonymous with allegation
Here’s my take. People are complaining that it’s all over the news because they don’t know how to think for themselves. Their usual dose of fear-mongering has been replaced and they don’t know what to do.
That, and people are literally glued to the TV — hence “being forced to watch it”. Life exists outside of TV and the news, and there’s 24 hours to do anything you want… hobbies, hiking, travel, catching up with friends.
People aren’t forced to watch a funeral — it’s a courtesy because of culture. But then again, no one cares about that any more either.
I’ve seen the exact opposite tbh – people who have never shown any interest in the royals have been really interested in this and many people have been surprised in the depth of their feeling for the monarchy .
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Given just how sycophantic and totally one-sided the completely non-stop coverage has been, I’m not surprised.
Not to mention that Charles is substantially less popular than Liz ever was.
By the look of this photo, a ‘vast surge’ in interest would mean they double their protesters from one to two
>
Smith responded by saying it was “one of the most stupid things the world has ever heard … if other events somehow overshadow it then so be it. Most of the country are going to be doing other things and we need to stop pretending that this is the whole country mourning.”
I think this is spot on. Currently we are allowing a very small minority of hardcore monarchists dictate public discussion on this. They are hyper sensitive and vicious when their beliefs are challenged. We need to be brave enough to sit them down and explain to them that, no the entire nation is not bawling their eyes out like they are.
Really no surprise after the recent propaganda overload from the likes of the BBC.
Republicanism is less popular than bringing back the death penalty.
It wouldn’t surprise me. I bet a lot of people are like me – vaguely republican but liked Queen Elizabeth. If the royal family had any sense of self-preservation, Charles would have abdicated in favour of William.
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I wouldn’t read anything into it – anything that gets saturation media coverage sees a surge of interest, both pro and anti.
If there were organised anti-football groups, they’d be ballooning every time there’s a World Cup, But as there are no such things, the nearest equivalent is a burst of *Look at me, I’m a bit different because I don’t like football* posts on Reddit on the days there’s an England game.
Call back if that wave of interest in republicanism is still there in five year’s times. Then it might mean something.
For balance, I anticipate this group being invited onto the BBC to be allowed to air their views with no challenge or pushback.
Any day now….
It’s not going to go very far, it never does in the end
The last time we abolished the monarchy it ended so well. We had a dictator who committed genocide against the Irish, tried abolishing anything fun and was basically just another king. It ended so badly that when Oliver Cromwell died they just invited Charles II back as king.
The “surge” is hardly a surprise. Next week, one of Jordans implants will explode or England will beat Germany, everything will be back to normal, watching kittens do cute things on tik-tok and wondering how to pay the bills and the weather.
I mean, their not gonna say anything else than that are they?
This sub is very anti-monarchy when compared to the nation, so a “surge” won’t do much. Like floating a boat with a glass full of water.
I understand people who are anti-monarchy, but I struggle with anyone who thinks we should have an elected head of state on top of what we’ve already got.
The last 6-8 years alone since Brexit was announced should be enough to show what an utter shitshow it would be, and people who currently shout “not my King” would just end up shouting “not my President”.
I really do not want us to turn into America politically.
Just because interest in republican campaign groups has grown it doesn’t mean interest in support of the monarchy hasn’t grown either. This whole affair is playing into peoples sense of national identity and affinity for tradition and ceremony.
Realistically there is way too much support for the monarchy for it to be abolished anytime soon. I can’t see it going even this century. And I’m saying that as someone who is firmly republican minded. Charles won’t be King for long. William is popular, especially among the middle class, as his his wife and their family as a whole. That easily propels the monarchy to the end of the century if not beyond.
Interesting fact. People born British do not need to pledge allegiance to the Queen/King, however everyone who becomes a British citizen, has to do it.
*Affirmation of allegiance:
I (name) do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that on becoming a British Citizen, I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, her Heirs and Successors, according to law*
I suspect the number of committed republicans will increase.
I also suspect the number who actively dislike and distrust those republicans who make up calls to abolish the monarchy will increase by an even greater number.
At the end of it all, I suspect nothing much will change.
I find George Orwell’s arguments about how Britain being a constitutional monarchy is one of the main reasons fascism/communism never gained a foothold here to be pretty fantastic to be honest.
Republicans whining trying to make the state funeral all about them is boring.
Just think, a few untimely deaths and we could have had King Andrew.
I dunno man, have your belief in how a country should be governed but kicking off at anyone’s funeral has a level of Westboro Baptist sanity to it.
I think the royals getting more attention will inherently make more people both actively want to get rid of them *and* make more people actively support them.
The reality is that most people don’t think about the royal family most days, and therefore mostly don’t *care*.
Isn’t a surge in anything likely when a certain event happens.
Your hear absolutely little from that side before, loads when it’s being talked about, and then disappears into silence again.
Modern technology also skews this.
I love how coverage of increased interest in a more democratic society is framed with skepticism & distrust… could’ve been “reports”, or “announces”, but no- UK press goes with the word that’s synonymous with allegation
Here’s my take. People are complaining that it’s all over the news because they don’t know how to think for themselves. Their usual dose of fear-mongering has been replaced and they don’t know what to do.
That, and people are literally glued to the TV — hence “being forced to watch it”. Life exists outside of TV and the news, and there’s 24 hours to do anything you want… hobbies, hiking, travel, catching up with friends.
People aren’t forced to watch a funeral — it’s a courtesy because of culture. But then again, no one cares about that any more either.
I’ve seen the exact opposite tbh – people who have never shown any interest in the royals have been really interested in this and many people have been surprised in the depth of their feeling for the monarchy .