Nation of bootlickers: Why do English people love oppression? – From the Medieval feudal system to the present day, the English have always been happy to be ruled over

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  1. Here’s some reading to get you up to speed

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta

    Magna Carta still forms an important symbol of liberty today, often cited by politicians and campaigners, and is held in great respect by the British and American legal communities, Lord Denning describing it as “the greatest constitutional document of all times—the foundation of the freedom of the individual against the arbitrary authority of the despot”.

  2. It’s far from a uniquely English thing to “know one’s place”. Billions look to Mecca and Rome for guidance because their ancestors were conquered centuries ago by the same people they now hold in high esteem. Most former European colonies from Latin America to India still suffer from an inferiority complex in the presence of white people.

    As for oppression, we don’t particularly like it and in fact have a reputation for liberalism, hence why we were a safe haven for people such as Marx, Mazzini, Freud and Napoleon III.

  3. > Nation of bootlickers

    I think with a title like that I’m sure it’s going to be a well reasoned and thought out article which doesn’t resort to extreme and convoluted points to try and support its agenda.

  4. I personally feel like it is because the majority do not feel the pain as much as another 3rd world country what does revolt (like Sri Lanka recently). It’s enough for the hardships to be felt by a lot but not enough where it is fight or die if that is the right expression? Plus when you have a plethora of superficial items and services I think it makes people placid. Example, giving people the platform like Facebook to vent and share. You could argue a lot of the more developed world is like this (America, Germany, Australia).

    But from the history books I suppose there is reasons even if we agree or disagree with them. Romans invading was welcomed for example as the standard of living improved for many. The Medieval era was a strange one but I’m guessing indoctrinated with religion played a huge role.

    As a final note, I don’t think capitalism is the issue. It’s been going for two thousand years what we know of in the world. The problem is it has turned into gangsterism by mega corporations who get government bailouts and grants via lobbying and other shady deals. In other words, we work hard to spend what we ‘earn’. They operate in a government socialistic setting where we foot the bill. I know it is from America, but the chips act is a prime example of this. As far as I am aware, the notion of passing it for national security was a farce. They are building factories outside of the country. I’m sure our country does similar shady deals (like the track and trace excel spreadsheet).

  6. It’s the flip side of being orderly and having a country that historically works and remains stable.

    You can find enough other countries with constant strikes and protests that have not become better places as a result.

  7. Now now dont go touching a nerve there mate. Every discussion i have had on this matter, since i have came to this country has ended badly. Short answer i have had on average so far seems to be some deep collective feudal trauma. Just look at how current British aristrocacy is structured or how for example you stand to have any chance at a tory leadership… its peerage this exclusive club that… Eaton, still people choose to elect them. Why ? Because for some reason people still confuse wealth and privilage with character, and tend to forget that just because you got a good education doesnt mean you have been well educated (see Jacob Rees-Mogg) . But if you tell anyone this they get offended.

  8. If Britain is truly going to reckon with it’s history, a major step is going to have to be wrestling with the history of class warfare in this country. We’re a nation that has historically had two “mainstream cultures”, the posh and the working class.

    Prior to the World Wars, the poor in Britain have been brutally oppressed by the rich. You needed to be a property owner to vote in this country until 1918, and not just any property, it had to be past a certain value. The working class (and the peasants/surfs) before them were overworked, under-educated, starved, and in a few cases rounded-up and killed by the Ruling Classes.

    If you’ve been alive long enough to remember at least bits the 70’s and 80’s, you’ll probably agree that working class people have a different culture to “posh people” (you can still see this today but this has declined quite a bit since around 2000 by my reckoning. This decline has actually come from the posh people wanting to act more like they’re working class in a bid to be modern and cool).

    Part of this culture is submission, not to our betters, but to difficult life. “Think you’re better than us do ya?” “Who does he think he is?”. To my mind this is a learned coping behavior. Working class people of old learned to cope with their life by resigning themselves to that being how the world works. That attitude that came from coping with oppression has been passed down.

  9. We don’t feel ruled over?

    We have a royal family which impacts 0% of our lives.

    Starting off with bootlickers though, shows its an utter trash source that doesn’t actually care what the ‘other side’ thinks anyway.

  10. UK people : we hate unfairness, unearned wealth due to inheritance, the top 1% of elites, and when the laws aren’t equally applied.

    Also UK people : I ❤️ monarchy.

    Some fucking confused people in this country ngl.

  11. People were happy with serfdom lol!!!!

    Our freedoms were fought for and hard won and required generations of sacrifice.

    Don’t be dramatic just because lots of people watched the queen’s funeral.

  14. Show me any country where one group is not higher – aristocracy, political parties, oligarchies, religions, corporations, or a religion.

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