I taught the famine would have done grand to summarise
We changed to base 10 maths, so the numbers are different.
Well there was a big fuck-off famine.
One day we will beat new yorks population
I was just trying to share that video, you beat me to it😅
Beat me to it
A lot of them would have died in the meantime.
Why use many word, when few do trick
From that heat map it looks like colonization inflated the population more so than the famine
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How or when did we get to 7.1 million? Explains why there is a housing crisis though.
Noone ever seems to talk about the insane population boom from around 5 million in 1800 to 8.18 million in 1841. While Irelands population hasn’t grown in the same way as other nations the only reason for such a dramatic fall in population is that anomaly
If you take 1800 as the figure to discuss rather than 1841 Ireland has increased its population from 5 million to 7 million showing a net increase
It used to be that Children were to some extent seen as free labour on farms . Nowadays anybody who is a parent knows they are expensive to rear. Combine that with contraception and people moving to cities and you have smaller families. Our demographics ( birth rate ) are not the worst in the world .. For the same reasons some countries are facing population collapse.
There’s a key assumption I sharply disagree with: bigger is always better. Even if having 50 million people made Ireland a GDP monster, what is the cost? Environmental, social, health, etc.? Look at China: 1.4 billion people, second biggest GDP but at what cost? Where would you rather live and raise a family?
Glancing at the happiest countries, many of them have small populations. We can say smaller populations means more resources for everyone, thus, better quality of life. Hell, the happiness index aims to capture what GDP doesn’t.
I’d guess it’s because some people who were around 200 years ago died of old age in the meantime.
Famine and brits?
Imagine the government trying to manage housing and hospital waiting lists if the population was 27 million.
There’d be no where to rent/buy and you be waiting ages for a medical procedure /s
The famine was over 170 years ago and the Brits left over hundred years ago. The question is not why the population of Ireland was less at independence than at the turn of the 19th century. It is why the current population is less than the population 200 years ago. There was no population growth in the first 70 years after the independence when all other countries were experiencing a population boom. It was the bad polices adopted by the Irish govt that led to wave after wave of emigration. Blaming the Brits is easier option but not always the right one.
Where the fuck would they all live eh?
I hate the idea that every country should try to grow their population every single year unconditionally.
How about instead we try to improve the lives of the population we already have, this shouldn’t be too hard to do since we are one of the most productive workforces in the world. With each Irish worker generating [~€200k per year](https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=Ireland+gdp+per+employee+in+euro).
Sorry more population is better. The problem is Irelanda upturn in population has coincided with Dublin becoming the biggest city by a mile. This is not unique but other countries had more even population growth in a wider area for linger which helps those countries infrastructure and services.
There should be a couple of more proper population centres in Ireland than there is now. The country would be richer culturally and socially for it
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tl;dw The Brits
I taught the famine would have done grand to summarise
We changed to base 10 maths, so the numbers are different.
Well there was a big fuck-off famine.
One day we will beat new yorks population
I was just trying to share that video, you beat me to it😅
Beat me to it
A lot of them would have died in the meantime.
Why use many word, when few do trick
From that heat map it looks like colonization inflated the population more so than the famine
[removed]
How or when did we get to 7.1 million? Explains why there is a housing crisis though.
Noone ever seems to talk about the insane population boom from around 5 million in 1800 to 8.18 million in 1841. While Irelands population hasn’t grown in the same way as other nations the only reason for such a dramatic fall in population is that anomaly
If you take 1800 as the figure to discuss rather than 1841 Ireland has increased its population from 5 million to 7 million showing a net increase
It used to be that Children were to some extent seen as free labour on farms . Nowadays anybody who is a parent knows they are expensive to rear. Combine that with contraception and people moving to cities and you have smaller families. Our demographics ( birth rate ) are not the worst in the world .. For the same reasons some countries are facing population collapse.
There’s a key assumption I sharply disagree with: bigger is always better. Even if having 50 million people made Ireland a GDP monster, what is the cost? Environmental, social, health, etc.? Look at China: 1.4 billion people, second biggest GDP but at what cost? Where would you rather live and raise a family?
Glancing at the happiest countries, many of them have small populations. We can say smaller populations means more resources for everyone, thus, better quality of life. Hell, the happiness index aims to capture what GDP doesn’t.
[Ireland is rank 15](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-countries-in-the-world) while China is rank 82. Do you really wanna trade that for bigger numbers? The USA is the biggest GDP but is only rank 19.
Taxes
I’d guess it’s because some people who were around 200 years ago died of old age in the meantime.
Famine and brits?
Imagine the government trying to manage housing and hospital waiting lists if the population was 27 million.
There’d be no where to rent/buy and you be waiting ages for a medical procedure /s
The famine was over 170 years ago and the Brits left over hundred years ago. The question is not why the population of Ireland was less at independence than at the turn of the 19th century. It is why the current population is less than the population 200 years ago. There was no population growth in the first 70 years after the independence when all other countries were experiencing a population boom. It was the bad polices adopted by the Irish govt that led to wave after wave of emigration. Blaming the Brits is easier option but not always the right one.
Where the fuck would they all live eh?
I hate the idea that every country should try to grow their population every single year unconditionally.
How about instead we try to improve the lives of the population we already have, this shouldn’t be too hard to do since we are one of the most productive workforces in the world. With each Irish worker generating [~€200k per year](https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=Ireland+gdp+per+employee+in+euro).
Sorry more population is better. The problem is Irelanda upturn in population has coincided with Dublin becoming the biggest city by a mile. This is not unique but other countries had more even population growth in a wider area for linger which helps those countries infrastructure and services.
There should be a couple of more proper population centres in Ireland than there is now. The country would be richer culturally and socially for it