Ecollect is not recognized in Belgium as a collecting firm/huissier.
They can sue (and I bet you’ll keep receiving messages like this with bigger amounts to pay). But unless they try to sue under Belgian law, you have nothing to worry.
Moreover Belgian consumer law allows you to cancel an online purchase within 14 days for whatever reason. Since the website is obviously a scam, any judge would get you off the hook if this goes to court (which I doubt it will).
I would answer by email that you were allowed to cancel the purchase and that if they really believe you owe them anything they should claim it via legal means under Belgian law.
I think this fine is also a scam lol
Credit score doesn’t exist here. Email isn’t a valid way to remind someone of debt. A unpaid bill of €25 can’t be pushed to €152 debt that fast.
This email is all kinds of wrong. It’s making me think a lot.
So you sign up for a dating site, pay €25 on signup i presume and then chargeback after 1 day? That seems to be breach of contract and if they really care to sue you they will. For them it’s just another unpaid invoice
They are NOT on that list and thus are operating illegally. If I’m not mistaken (but IANAL), you would even be able to request to get your money back, since they’re not allowed to act in Belgium.
Chances of them going to court over this are 0: they have no grounds to win on. Since they’re not allowed to send you those messages, it could even be seen as harrasment.
But, keeping in mind with all the other things: they’re doing shady things, they’re already known for acting in bad faith, so yeah. I would not give any further information to them.
Perhaps send a request to delete your information due to GDPR. In essence, they are allowed to have and use your details since you owe them money. However, if they are acting in bad faith, this could be another thing to hold against them.
According to Belgian law, whoever you supposedly owe money to must first send you a signed letter, to your actual address informing you that unless you pay within xyz terms they’re sending you to collections.
If you never got that letter, this email is not worth the pixels on my screen.
Do you think they will go to police and say : ” so yeah basically we are a scammer company and one guy that we abuse didn’t pay for being scammed “
maybe ask a lawyer instead of Reddit
I would reply with you following:
– You dispute any claims (important if they want to go the legal way in Germany – if you dispute (no reason needed), they need a court to rule in their favour but are required to show they are right).
– You do not recognise their authority in Belgium.
– They should leave you alone or you report them to the authorities.
Don’t pay. Mark their email address as spam.
Well since you cancelled their not allowed to sue you not even under Belgian law, extending the contract after cancellation without the permission or the knowledge of the client is against the law actually. They are also not allowed to demand that payment because you don’t have the subscription.
This site says all the things that aren’t allowed when it comes to contracts.
send abuse email to the registrar they used to register their domain + the ISP that owns the AS they use to operate.
Explain to them that they are extorting people, acting illegally, misrepresenting the laws, etc.
Remind the ISP of their responsibility towards RIPE and ARIN to not participate in illegal activities.
Registrar info:
“`
Registrar: Key-Systems GmbH
Registrar IANA ID: 269
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: **abusereport@key-systems.net**
“`
Their mail exchangers:
“`
bienaimer.com mail exchanger = 10 mx2.bienaimer.com.
bienaimer.com mail exchanger = 10 mx1.bienaimer.com.
“`
The ISP used (at least for email):
“`
OrgName: DigitalOcean, LLC
…
OrgAbuseName: Abuse, DigitalOcean
OrgAbusePhone: +1-347-875-6044
OrgAbuseEmail: **abuse@digitalocean.com**
“`
Digitalocean will shut them down in a heartbeat, because they are likely paying them like 10 bucks a month.
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Don’t pay.
Ecollect is not recognized in Belgium as a collecting firm/huissier.
They can sue (and I bet you’ll keep receiving messages like this with bigger amounts to pay). But unless they try to sue under Belgian law, you have nothing to worry.
Moreover Belgian consumer law allows you to cancel an online purchase within 14 days for whatever reason. Since the website is obviously a scam, any judge would get you off the hook if this goes to court (which I doubt it will).
I would answer by email that you were allowed to cancel the purchase and that if they really believe you owe them anything they should claim it via legal means under Belgian law.
I think this fine is also a scam lol
Credit score doesn’t exist here. Email isn’t a valid way to remind someone of debt. A unpaid bill of €25 can’t be pushed to €152 debt that fast.
This email is all kinds of wrong. It’s making me think a lot.
So you sign up for a dating site, pay €25 on signup i presume and then chargeback after 1 day? That seems to be breach of contract and if they really care to sue you they will. For them it’s just another unpaid invoice
Sincr I was interested in this a simple google search seems to solve your problems: https://www.eccbelgie.be/nieuws/2022/ecollect-en-novalnet
If you get really scared (maybe after a few more mails), get legal advice. It will cost you a few €100 but will give you piece of mind.
https://www.eccbelgie.be/nieuws/2022/ecollect-en-novalnet
If this was a Belgian company yes they could sue and they’d instantly win. But luckily they are in Germany. It will cost them too much.
They can but they wont. Costs will be higher for them to sue than to put that amount in profits and losses.
? Why 150 euro’a and not 32.
They say you only missed one payment.
Next time, maybe use the free dating sites?
https://www.cecbelgique.be/infos/2022/ecollect-et-novalnet
Here totally illegal
Main thing at hand here is that they’re not allowed to operate on Belgian ground: only registered companies (approved by the FOD Economy), can act in Belgium. The list can be found here: [https://economie.fgov.be/sites/default/files/Files/Publications/files/Lijst-schuldinvorderaars.pdf](https://economie.fgov.be/sites/default/files/Files/Publications/files/Lijst-schuldinvorderaars.pdf)
They are NOT on that list and thus are operating illegally. If I’m not mistaken (but IANAL), you would even be able to request to get your money back, since they’re not allowed to act in Belgium.
Chances of them going to court over this are 0: they have no grounds to win on. Since they’re not allowed to send you those messages, it could even be seen as harrasment.
But, keeping in mind with all the other things: they’re doing shady things, they’re already known for acting in bad faith, so yeah. I would not give any further information to them.
Perhaps send a request to delete your information due to GDPR. In essence, they are allowed to have and use your details since you owe them money. However, if they are acting in bad faith, this could be another thing to hold against them.
According to Belgian law, whoever you supposedly owe money to must first send you a signed letter, to your actual address informing you that unless you pay within xyz terms they’re sending you to collections.
If you never got that letter, this email is not worth the pixels on my screen.
Do you think they will go to police and say : ” so yeah basically we are a scammer company and one guy that we abuse didn’t pay for being scammed “
maybe ask a lawyer instead of Reddit
I would reply with you following:
– You dispute any claims (important if they want to go the legal way in Germany – if you dispute (no reason needed), they need a court to rule in their favour but are required to show they are right).
– You do not recognise their authority in Belgium.
– They should leave you alone or you report them to the authorities.
Don’t pay. Mark their email address as spam.
Well since you cancelled their not allowed to sue you not even under Belgian law, extending the contract after cancellation without the permission or the knowledge of the client is against the law actually. They are also not allowed to demand that payment because you don’t have the subscription.
This site says all the things that aren’t allowed when it comes to contracts.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/unfair-treatment/unfair-contract-terms/indexamp_nl.htm
Always them damned Germans
send abuse email to the registrar they used to register their domain + the ISP that owns the AS they use to operate.
Explain to them that they are extorting people, acting illegally, misrepresenting the laws, etc.
Remind the ISP of their responsibility towards RIPE and ARIN to not participate in illegal activities.
Registrar info:
“`
Registrar: Key-Systems GmbH
Registrar IANA ID: 269
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: **abusereport@key-systems.net**
“`
Their mail exchangers:
“`
bienaimer.com mail exchanger = 10 mx2.bienaimer.com.
bienaimer.com mail exchanger = 10 mx1.bienaimer.com.
“`
The ISP used (at least for email):
“`
OrgName: DigitalOcean, LLC
…
OrgAbuseName: Abuse, DigitalOcean
OrgAbusePhone: +1-347-875-6044
OrgAbuseEmail: **abuse@digitalocean.com**
“`
Digitalocean will shut them down in a heartbeat, because they are likely paying them like 10 bucks a month.
Just put it as spam and forget about it