They expect you to suffer. The cruelty is the point.
I do believe lizzy did say she thinks brits need more graft.
So I’m guessing the plan is to force people off benefits. Force people on benifit to work more. Those who physically can’t, well, they can just perish because, you know, if they’re dead that’s one less person to claim benifits.
This is gunna end well….. not
The current Tory government believe there is only one problem in this country – Everyone is just too lazy and just needs to work harder and everything will magically work.
‘On top of her £350 gross monthly salary, Card receives £1,410 a month in universal credit’
Does nobody else find something massively perverse about that sentence?
They want to sacrifice you for the rich and it’s a sacrifice the country is willing to make apparently.
What time does primary school start? Surely along time before 11:45, so I’m not sure so much of the outrage from her, so to fit in more than 10 hours a week seems very plausible.
If you want to stay within education as that’s where you know then I understand the reluctance to change vocation.
I watched a video yesterday on /r/mademesmile and it was an older couple, in their 50’s or so sleeping rough. The recorder offered them food but the man said that all he wanted was some diapers for his wife who was ill with cancer. The guy got them back on their feet and got them a house to rent, got the guy a job. Paid for stuff for them. All very, very nice on that superficial level and the family were obviously super grateful.
But you can’t ignore that at its core, American society is happy to have a married couple down on their luck live in the dirt on cardboard, leaving a woman who couldn’t look after herself and had cancer to slowly die and rot away.
We have a government that looked at that and thought we’ll have a nice big slice of that.
How does this affect workers put on part time contracts but work full time? Eg every retail worker
A lot of people seem to be buying the idea that people WANT to be working two part time jobs rather than one full time. The issue is the employers in many cases
> “They will be expected to actively search for work and attend weekly or fortnightly appointments at a job centre in order to secure more or better paid work, or they could have their benefits reduced,” he said.
But who is going to do their old jobs that are suddenly not well paying enough for them to qualify for benefits, criteria that seems entirely backwards right?
People want barista at their coffee shops, the shelves full at their supermarket, and their work place clean. Those jobs should pay a comfortable living wage or we simply won’t have those jobs being done.
Did people really think there wouldn’t be a big price to pay for furlough and covid costs?
£450 billion of debt is no joke and as always it’ll be us at the bottom that pays it back…
Well love, if you could just crawl away and quietly die in a ditch, then that would be *perfect*. Your kids too, if you have any. Oh by the way if you’re a home owner, BlackRock thanks you for your property.
Meanwhile those who earn over £150000 gets a tax cut, make that makes sense to me please.
> “will be expected to actively search for work and attend weekly or fortnightly appointments at a job centre…”
So if you’re in a part-time job, you have to search for a second part-time job whose hours perfectly line up with your free time? Good luck!
And the Tories have clearly never been inside a Job Centre if they think those places help you to find work! “Sign here, Job Point is over there, see you in two weeks, *next!*”
i feel sorry for people in the area i live, nearest job center is 20 miles away
The world is awash with low and high skilled online work which gives people much greater flexibility to fit work around dependents.
I expect the job centre isn’t really that good at lining people up with those skills or opportunities, I hope I’m wrong.
Are the government going to be instructing companies to be offering 15 hour contracts instead of zero-hour, 8 or 12 hour ones?
Of course they’re not. Eejits.
Time to bring in some reality.
The job centres don’t have sufficient staff to bring these part time workers in for weekly/fortnightly interviews.
In addition, Job Centre management want staff to bring Income Support & some ESA claimants back in for regular interviews too.
It’s an impossible ask.
I’m in the situation of being unable to work due to lack of education, disability discrimination and age. I’m 40 and have epilepsy. Any jobs around here that would let an epileptic work would require me to spend 10 years getting relevant qualifications costing me thousands that I don’t have. Then by the time that I get those qualifications, I’ll be in my 50s. Businesses would rather not employ people my age let alone in their 50s. Not to mention they don’t like employing epileptics for health and safety reasons.
“appointments at a job centre in order to secure more or better paid work”
And how exactly does the job centre help secure work? I have been there, they don’t help you find a job in any way.
It’s hilariously bad policy affecting people like my mum who is disabled, she’s an amputee. After she lost her leg, she was adamant that she still wanted to work (she only works at Tesco) because A: she needs to do something other than sit at home and B: she didn’t want to just sit and claim when she could work, albeit much less than before.
She’s the exact person who these policies harm. She physically can’t work more hours to make up the difference and she doesn’t want to work any less despite being allowed to work less and claim.
It’s like they don’t want people to work part time. It’s either full time or nothing at all. Ignoring that for many disable people, working part time is a life line for their mental and physical health.
How dare you not earn or work enough! /s
It actually makes me sick to my core rereading their budget and the blatant “fuck you poor and not well off people” go work harder, youre not worth shit message.
Has anyone here ever dealt with the job centre? You’ve no chance of getting all these extra meetings etc, they are impossible to contact as it is!
This thinking parallels the thinking about the Poor Laws and the Workhouses of the late nineteenth century. To get a place in the Workhouse, one had to literally have no possessions, no money, and upon entry, famillies were seperated into different parts of the building. The Manchester Guardians are on record as building a Mill, where inmates laboured producing cloth as slaves, the Guardians pocketing the profits. Rich people paid money to enter a viewing gallery to watch the Poor eat their Gruel, and derived self satisfaction for their charitable actions.
So is it actually better just to stay unemployed and be on benefits then? Is that what they want? Because that’s what they’re economically incentivising, which is how the tories do things.
Just an FYI I’m not personally unemployed or claiming any form of benefit.
Easy. Work several different jobs and not be a burden on society. /s
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The rich get tax cuts whilst the poor get arse fucked with a silver tipped dildo dipped in champagne and told that they are fortunate to recieve such a gift.
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As a zero hour contract worker who sometimes has to rely on Universal Credit, i won’t be surprised if they kick all zero hour contract workers of the system at some point because they believe we always get enough hours every week when really, it goes up and down every poxy week.
Liz Truss and the other Tory Monsters think people on Universal Credit are lazy because they do the bare minimum work and expect the state to make up their wages.
The reality is different. Employers use Universal Credit to hire people as slaves. You get a 12 hour contract, for example and no set hours, making getting another job impossible. I know because it happened to me. No one else would employ me because they wanted the same thing – me as a slave! But of course, it’s all the lazy workers fault.
>Sarah Card, 49, a single parent who works as a behaviour support assistant at a secondary school … She added: “I have three young children, the youngest still being at primary school, … During the school holidays, she sometimes takes her children, aged nine, 11 and 12, to the job centre with her. She also has three grownup children.
When I was at primary school my (single) mother worked full time. Two of her children are at secondary school, surely they can look after themselves, and watch the primary school kid for a couple of hours a day. Are her three adult children not helping?
>After she lost that job, she had to attend weekly appointments at a job centre out of town, which involves two bus rides and takes about an hour. …“That’s a whole morning for a five-minute appointment.
A five minute appointment that nets you £325. You won’t give up two hours of your week for £325? That’s an effective payment of £160 an hour. Some people commute an hour each way to make £80 salary, and that’s for working! She gets paid the equivalent of a £30k a year pre-tax salary for working 10 hours a week, and is upset about it being made 15.
>With my children being the ages they are – we do homework, baths, dinner, then bed – how am I supposed to fit in the 20 hours of job searching each week?”
Why can 11 year olds not do their homework, bathe and put themselves to bed? You have six children and none of them can help each other. And an ex who doesn’t seem to do much either. Surely you have to help each other before you expect ‘the system’ to help you.
>She added: “I’ve got a job that fits in with my life, and I’m not asking for things to be handed to me.”
You’re literally moaning about the terms and conditions of your free money. I’m sure the Guardian and BBC pick out examples like this to wind people up. Like there’ll be an article about people not being able to afford food and it’s someone who’s 400lbs.
If I was ever in doubt that the tories don’t understand or care about the working class, these past few years have really made it set in. It baffles me that we allow a minority to just say ‘you must suffer’ and we just let them get away with it, keep voting them back in and cant organise a proper movement to save our lives because everyone has a different idea what the movement should be about and some of them do it in a way which turns the public against their cause rather than supporting it.
Obviously risking severe downvotes here – but there is a balance that needs to be struck.
This does nothing to help those who cannot work for legitimate reasons such as disability, caring commitments and other genuine factors and this punishes those who are in need of the most help and I find many of this governments policies despicable where those who really do not need rewarding (bankers bonuses for eg) are rewarded the most, and those who work, struggle and are facing absolute crisis are further ground down and put into perpetuating hardship
On the other hand though, like in this article – there are a vast number of the British public who could, should and ought to contribute to society who simply do not because they never have, and have no intention to do so. Spending the time they could work on gaming the system and doing the bare minimum yet benefitting – in effect making it harder still for those who should get the most help to be given it – utilising and taking resource and time unnecessarily.
I’ve lived on the same street as many who have this mindset of no intent to work, and know the system and how to ensure they continue to get the most out of the system as they can. The lady in the article earns more per month than myself or most I know for working far fewer hours – yes, there’s childcare to consider, but she is more than capable to work a full time job.
The taxpayer money spent in benefit to her could be lessened with a government cover all childcare for all incentive – giving and enabling more people the flexibility to go into full time work, those who do and are being stung for nursery or childcare one less worry financially and to be able to get more back in their pocket at the end of the month.
There’s a surplus of vacancies out there in a wide range of roles, many of which sadly many people think they are above doing who are capable and able to do so but wouldn’t because it’s work that isn’t exciting.
Annoyingly with this attitude – a few weeks ago a friend recently took a job and was complaining and talking about doing as little as possible in a work day stating “minimum wage, minimum effort”. And this is so apparent in so many industries, services etc at the moment too. So sadly, hiring those with no willingness to contribute will ultimately lead to worse public/customer service elsewhere too.
My mum had to give up a permanent job because it was under the amount of hours the job centre wanted her to do. She took on a seasonal job (we live in Cornwall) now that’s ended and she’s even worse off than before with the new rules.
Anyone on zero hour contracts (which suck anyway) are also screwed over by this.
>On top of her £350 gross monthly salary, Card receives £1,410 a month in universal credit. Her rent is £575 and her energy bills are about £300 a month. Her former partner was paying her a similar sum in maintenance every month, but that has stopped because he had an accident and is on statutory sick pay. Adding to her worries, her landlord is selling so she has to find a new home, which is not proving easy.
My full time minimum wage heart bleeds…
£1,410 universal credit top up!? And she was getting another money from the csa! If you’re really telling me that’s not a piss take I refuse to believe you’re a hard working, working class person.
That article was really eye opening. I swear round mine it’s full of unemployed single mums who all have houses, all have cars, all sit on the front smoking and drinking literally 7 days a week in the summer. I always wondered how they could all afford it. The safety net has to be there for people who need it but £30,000 is a kick in the teeth to hard working people.
It’s easy to look at 5% of people on benefits that are doing fine and conclude they’re being given too much, and maybe that’s true, but this ignores the 95% of people on benefits that are struggling.
You can’t have a benefits system with rules that can be understood and not have outliers, and those outliers should be at the top not the bottom!
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They expect you to suffer. The cruelty is the point.
I do believe lizzy did say she thinks brits need more graft.
So I’m guessing the plan is to force people off benefits. Force people on benifit to work more. Those who physically can’t, well, they can just perish because, you know, if they’re dead that’s one less person to claim benifits.
This is gunna end well….. not
The current Tory government believe there is only one problem in this country – Everyone is just too lazy and just needs to work harder and everything will magically work.
‘On top of her £350 gross monthly salary, Card receives £1,410 a month in universal credit’
Does nobody else find something massively perverse about that sentence?
They want to sacrifice you for the rich and it’s a sacrifice the country is willing to make apparently.
What time does primary school start? Surely along time before 11:45, so I’m not sure so much of the outrage from her, so to fit in more than 10 hours a week seems very plausible.
If you want to stay within education as that’s where you know then I understand the reluctance to change vocation.
I watched a video yesterday on /r/mademesmile and it was an older couple, in their 50’s or so sleeping rough. The recorder offered them food but the man said that all he wanted was some diapers for his wife who was ill with cancer. The guy got them back on their feet and got them a house to rent, got the guy a job. Paid for stuff for them. All very, very nice on that superficial level and the family were obviously super grateful.
But you can’t ignore that at its core, American society is happy to have a married couple down on their luck live in the dirt on cardboard, leaving a woman who couldn’t look after herself and had cancer to slowly die and rot away.
We have a government that looked at that and thought we’ll have a nice big slice of that.
How does this affect workers put on part time contracts but work full time? Eg every retail worker
A lot of people seem to be buying the idea that people WANT to be working two part time jobs rather than one full time. The issue is the employers in many cases
> “They will be expected to actively search for work and attend weekly or fortnightly appointments at a job centre in order to secure more or better paid work, or they could have their benefits reduced,” he said.
But who is going to do their old jobs that are suddenly not well paying enough for them to qualify for benefits, criteria that seems entirely backwards right?
People want barista at their coffee shops, the shelves full at their supermarket, and their work place clean. Those jobs should pay a comfortable living wage or we simply won’t have those jobs being done.
Did people really think there wouldn’t be a big price to pay for furlough and covid costs?
£450 billion of debt is no joke and as always it’ll be us at the bottom that pays it back…
Well love, if you could just crawl away and quietly die in a ditch, then that would be *perfect*. Your kids too, if you have any. Oh by the way if you’re a home owner, BlackRock thanks you for your property.
Meanwhile those who earn over £150000 gets a tax cut, make that makes sense to me please.
> “will be expected to actively search for work and attend weekly or fortnightly appointments at a job centre…”
So if you’re in a part-time job, you have to search for a second part-time job whose hours perfectly line up with your free time? Good luck!
And the Tories have clearly never been inside a Job Centre if they think those places help you to find work! “Sign here, Job Point is over there, see you in two weeks, *next!*”
i feel sorry for people in the area i live, nearest job center is 20 miles away
The world is awash with low and high skilled online work which gives people much greater flexibility to fit work around dependents.
I expect the job centre isn’t really that good at lining people up with those skills or opportunities, I hope I’m wrong.
Are the government going to be instructing companies to be offering 15 hour contracts instead of zero-hour, 8 or 12 hour ones?
Of course they’re not. Eejits.
Time to bring in some reality.
The job centres don’t have sufficient staff to bring these part time workers in for weekly/fortnightly interviews.
In addition, Job Centre management want staff to bring Income Support & some ESA claimants back in for regular interviews too.
It’s an impossible ask.
I’m in the situation of being unable to work due to lack of education, disability discrimination and age. I’m 40 and have epilepsy. Any jobs around here that would let an epileptic work would require me to spend 10 years getting relevant qualifications costing me thousands that I don’t have. Then by the time that I get those qualifications, I’ll be in my 50s. Businesses would rather not employ people my age let alone in their 50s. Not to mention they don’t like employing epileptics for health and safety reasons.
“appointments at a job centre in order to secure more or better paid work”
And how exactly does the job centre help secure work? I have been there, they don’t help you find a job in any way.
It’s hilariously bad policy affecting people like my mum who is disabled, she’s an amputee. After she lost her leg, she was adamant that she still wanted to work (she only works at Tesco) because A: she needs to do something other than sit at home and B: she didn’t want to just sit and claim when she could work, albeit much less than before.
She’s the exact person who these policies harm. She physically can’t work more hours to make up the difference and she doesn’t want to work any less despite being allowed to work less and claim.
It’s like they don’t want people to work part time. It’s either full time or nothing at all. Ignoring that for many disable people, working part time is a life line for their mental and physical health.
How dare you not earn or work enough! /s
It actually makes me sick to my core rereading their budget and the blatant “fuck you poor and not well off people” go work harder, youre not worth shit message.
Has anyone here ever dealt with the job centre? You’ve no chance of getting all these extra meetings etc, they are impossible to contact as it is!
This thinking parallels the thinking about the Poor Laws and the Workhouses of the late nineteenth century. To get a place in the Workhouse, one had to literally have no possessions, no money, and upon entry, famillies were seperated into different parts of the building. The Manchester Guardians are on record as building a Mill, where inmates laboured producing cloth as slaves, the Guardians pocketing the profits. Rich people paid money to enter a viewing gallery to watch the Poor eat their Gruel, and derived self satisfaction for their charitable actions.
So is it actually better just to stay unemployed and be on benefits then? Is that what they want? Because that’s what they’re economically incentivising, which is how the tories do things.
Just an FYI I’m not personally unemployed or claiming any form of benefit.
Easy. Work several different jobs and not be a burden on society. /s
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The rich get tax cuts whilst the poor get arse fucked with a silver tipped dildo dipped in champagne and told that they are fortunate to recieve such a gift.
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As a zero hour contract worker who sometimes has to rely on Universal Credit, i won’t be surprised if they kick all zero hour contract workers of the system at some point because they believe we always get enough hours every week when really, it goes up and down every poxy week.
Liz Truss and the other Tory Monsters think people on Universal Credit are lazy because they do the bare minimum work and expect the state to make up their wages.
The reality is different. Employers use Universal Credit to hire people as slaves. You get a 12 hour contract, for example and no set hours, making getting another job impossible. I know because it happened to me. No one else would employ me because they wanted the same thing – me as a slave! But of course, it’s all the lazy workers fault.
>Sarah Card, 49, a single parent who works as a behaviour support assistant at a secondary school … She added: “I have three young children, the youngest still being at primary school, … During the school holidays, she sometimes takes her children, aged nine, 11 and 12, to the job centre with her. She also has three grownup children.
When I was at primary school my (single) mother worked full time. Two of her children are at secondary school, surely they can look after themselves, and watch the primary school kid for a couple of hours a day. Are her three adult children not helping?
>After she lost that job, she had to attend weekly appointments at a job centre out of town, which involves two bus rides and takes about an hour. …“That’s a whole morning for a five-minute appointment.
A five minute appointment that nets you £325. You won’t give up two hours of your week for £325? That’s an effective payment of £160 an hour. Some people commute an hour each way to make £80 salary, and that’s for working! She gets paid the equivalent of a £30k a year pre-tax salary for working 10 hours a week, and is upset about it being made 15.
>With my children being the ages they are – we do homework, baths, dinner, then bed – how am I supposed to fit in the 20 hours of job searching each week?”
Why can 11 year olds not do their homework, bathe and put themselves to bed? You have six children and none of them can help each other. And an ex who doesn’t seem to do much either. Surely you have to help each other before you expect ‘the system’ to help you.
>She added: “I’ve got a job that fits in with my life, and I’m not asking for things to be handed to me.”
You’re literally moaning about the terms and conditions of your free money. I’m sure the Guardian and BBC pick out examples like this to wind people up. Like there’ll be an article about people not being able to afford food and it’s someone who’s 400lbs.
If I was ever in doubt that the tories don’t understand or care about the working class, these past few years have really made it set in. It baffles me that we allow a minority to just say ‘you must suffer’ and we just let them get away with it, keep voting them back in and cant organise a proper movement to save our lives because everyone has a different idea what the movement should be about and some of them do it in a way which turns the public against their cause rather than supporting it.
Obviously risking severe downvotes here – but there is a balance that needs to be struck.
This does nothing to help those who cannot work for legitimate reasons such as disability, caring commitments and other genuine factors and this punishes those who are in need of the most help and I find many of this governments policies despicable where those who really do not need rewarding (bankers bonuses for eg) are rewarded the most, and those who work, struggle and are facing absolute crisis are further ground down and put into perpetuating hardship
On the other hand though, like in this article – there are a vast number of the British public who could, should and ought to contribute to society who simply do not because they never have, and have no intention to do so. Spending the time they could work on gaming the system and doing the bare minimum yet benefitting – in effect making it harder still for those who should get the most help to be given it – utilising and taking resource and time unnecessarily.
I’ve lived on the same street as many who have this mindset of no intent to work, and know the system and how to ensure they continue to get the most out of the system as they can. The lady in the article earns more per month than myself or most I know for working far fewer hours – yes, there’s childcare to consider, but she is more than capable to work a full time job.
The taxpayer money spent in benefit to her could be lessened with a government cover all childcare for all incentive – giving and enabling more people the flexibility to go into full time work, those who do and are being stung for nursery or childcare one less worry financially and to be able to get more back in their pocket at the end of the month.
There’s a surplus of vacancies out there in a wide range of roles, many of which sadly many people think they are above doing who are capable and able to do so but wouldn’t because it’s work that isn’t exciting.
Annoyingly with this attitude – a few weeks ago a friend recently took a job and was complaining and talking about doing as little as possible in a work day stating “minimum wage, minimum effort”. And this is so apparent in so many industries, services etc at the moment too. So sadly, hiring those with no willingness to contribute will ultimately lead to worse public/customer service elsewhere too.
My mum had to give up a permanent job because it was under the amount of hours the job centre wanted her to do. She took on a seasonal job (we live in Cornwall) now that’s ended and she’s even worse off than before with the new rules.
Anyone on zero hour contracts (which suck anyway) are also screwed over by this.
>On top of her £350 gross monthly salary, Card receives £1,410 a month in universal credit. Her rent is £575 and her energy bills are about £300 a month. Her former partner was paying her a similar sum in maintenance every month, but that has stopped because he had an accident and is on statutory sick pay. Adding to her worries, her landlord is selling so she has to find a new home, which is not proving easy.
My full time minimum wage heart bleeds…
£1,410 universal credit top up!? And she was getting another money from the csa! If you’re really telling me that’s not a piss take I refuse to believe you’re a hard working, working class person.
That article was really eye opening. I swear round mine it’s full of unemployed single mums who all have houses, all have cars, all sit on the front smoking and drinking literally 7 days a week in the summer. I always wondered how they could all afford it. The safety net has to be there for people who need it but £30,000 is a kick in the teeth to hard working people.
It’s easy to look at 5% of people on benefits that are doing fine and conclude they’re being given too much, and maybe that’s true, but this ignores the 95% of people on benefits that are struggling.
You can’t have a benefits system with rules that can be understood and not have outliers, and those outliers should be at the top not the bottom!