Yes, we could learn to fund the NHS properly like the Germans fund their healthcare system. The Germans spend far more on healthcare both per capita and as a percentage of GDP than we spend on the NHS. We should fund the NHS to the same degree that the Germans fund their healthcare system before throwing our hands up and claiming that the reason it’s not working is because it’s a socialised model of healthcare rather than because it’s been underfunded for decades.
I like the Dutch healthcare system as well, it’s a mix of social and private, but it’s heavily regulated so people aren’t actively bankrupted by greedy insurance providers. So this won’t be supported by this current government lol.
Yes, please. German concept of Krankenkasse works really well.
Of the “private” healthcare systems it’s one of the better ways if doing it. IIRC it’s not completely free at the point of use, which is a downside, but for the most part it seems to work.
What I think will end up happening instead is something where the NHS is subsidised rather than free (so more like dentistry is now).
Yes, very much so. But some won’t like the way the German model is RUN and how this mean private companies taking a big role in its running. The NHS is inefficient but we could ensure free point of service for all if we one moment took a look how we can make changes that would likely make it better. More money isn’t the answer to the long term problems.
We all know where the nhs is heading and begins with a ‘p’
Germany funds its Health System. The UK does not. This is the lesson. It is also a lesson that can be learned from a wide range of countries: less market ideology and more healthcare means longer life expectancy.
In Germany, you pay for your GP visits, something people here would consider unthinkable.
I can’t help thinking that there are a lot of efficiencies we could make on the NHS system by removing some of the internal outsourcing to help make the money go further.
E.g.
Hospitals are always going to need cleaners full time, why is that often outsourced, take it in house, you’ll need people to manage that but you probably have people to manage the outsourced contract anyway so it’s a role change there and then payroll which is done already.
Agency nurses, save the money from the external companies taking their cut, spend some on nurses pay, make them happier.
Imagine things like this add up to quite a lot of money across the system.
Minor tweaks to administration aren’t really going to fix the problem of too many old people using the service with not enough young people to run and fund it.
I also thought that Germany spends a lot less on modern medicine – holding a higher proportion for medicine that comes off patent from 7 years ago. This means every year they have new medicine but don’t invest in treatments that are super new and potentially controversial (but always more expensive). They put more money then into preventative and screening approaches to treat things as soon as they can and not when it’s hard and expensive (and hospitalised). A lot to learn from Germany.
Some info from a German member of this health care system. Overall, the system works. BUT: the rich, government employees and politicians have a separate health care system outside the general one. Their contribution is severly lacking. So if you ever implement such a system, avoid the mistakes the Germans made, and make it really universal. Whoever has too much money can get additional insurance for more luxurious care.
Yes, has the NHS considered functioning in a country that will fund it appropriately?
I once had the misfortune to find myself in a German hospital for an emergency appendectomy. Compared to hospital in the UK the care seemed better with more staff to patients, the food was better, more private rooms than wards, and the nurses were better looking.
All in all, Keil hospital get five stars from me on trip advisor.
Definitely not. They need to learn from us. We got brexit done and we survived the blitz. They need some of our bri’ish bulldog spirit…… what’s that? They are far more stable then us and actually produce top notch world famous exports???? Ummm well …. Huh Jacob Rees mogg says our fish are happy British fish and ummm we won get ova it 😑
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Yes, we could learn to fund the NHS properly like the Germans fund their healthcare system. The Germans spend far more on healthcare both per capita and as a percentage of GDP than we spend on the NHS. We should fund the NHS to the same degree that the Germans fund their healthcare system before throwing our hands up and claiming that the reason it’s not working is because it’s a socialised model of healthcare rather than because it’s been underfunded for decades.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthcaresystem/articles/howdoesukhealthcarespendingcomparewithothercountries/2019-08-29#how-much-does-the-uk-spend-on-healthcare-compared-with-its-international-peers
I like the Dutch healthcare system as well, it’s a mix of social and private, but it’s heavily regulated so people aren’t actively bankrupted by greedy insurance providers. So this won’t be supported by this current government lol.
Yes, please. German concept of Krankenkasse works really well.
Of the “private” healthcare systems it’s one of the better ways if doing it. IIRC it’s not completely free at the point of use, which is a downside, but for the most part it seems to work.
What I think will end up happening instead is something where the NHS is subsidised rather than free (so more like dentistry is now).
Yes, very much so. But some won’t like the way the German model is RUN and how this mean private companies taking a big role in its running. The NHS is inefficient but we could ensure free point of service for all if we one moment took a look how we can make changes that would likely make it better. More money isn’t the answer to the long term problems.
We all know where the nhs is heading and begins with a ‘p’
Germany funds its Health System. The UK does not. This is the lesson. It is also a lesson that can be learned from a wide range of countries: less market ideology and more healthcare means longer life expectancy.
In Germany, you pay for your GP visits, something people here would consider unthinkable.
I can’t help thinking that there are a lot of efficiencies we could make on the NHS system by removing some of the internal outsourcing to help make the money go further.
E.g.
Hospitals are always going to need cleaners full time, why is that often outsourced, take it in house, you’ll need people to manage that but you probably have people to manage the outsourced contract anyway so it’s a role change there and then payroll which is done already.
Agency nurses, save the money from the external companies taking their cut, spend some on nurses pay, make them happier.
Imagine things like this add up to quite a lot of money across the system.
Minor tweaks to administration aren’t really going to fix the problem of too many old people using the service with not enough young people to run and fund it.
I also thought that Germany spends a lot less on modern medicine – holding a higher proportion for medicine that comes off patent from 7 years ago. This means every year they have new medicine but don’t invest in treatments that are super new and potentially controversial (but always more expensive). They put more money then into preventative and screening approaches to treat things as soon as they can and not when it’s hard and expensive (and hospitalised). A lot to learn from Germany.
Some info from a German member of this health care system. Overall, the system works. BUT: the rich, government employees and politicians have a separate health care system outside the general one. Their contribution is severly lacking. So if you ever implement such a system, avoid the mistakes the Germans made, and make it really universal. Whoever has too much money can get additional insurance for more luxurious care.
Yes, has the NHS considered functioning in a country that will fund it appropriately?
I once had the misfortune to find myself in a German hospital for an emergency appendectomy. Compared to hospital in the UK the care seemed better with more staff to patients, the food was better, more private rooms than wards, and the nurses were better looking.
All in all, Keil hospital get five stars from me on trip advisor.
Definitely not. They need to learn from us. We got brexit done and we survived the blitz. They need some of our bri’ish bulldog spirit…… what’s that? They are far more stable then us and actually produce top notch world famous exports???? Ummm well …. Huh Jacob Rees mogg says our fish are happy British fish and ummm we won get ova it 😑