en dan nog zo’n gat in de begroting. men zou denken dat de politiek hier incompetent/corrupt is.
can someone explain how a married couple of 2; with no kids: both working full-time and earning roughly the same; pay less taxes than a “alleenstaande”/single? I have seen no difference between the aangifte before and after marriage
does it bother anyone else that in the legend the “single no children” is on the left, but in the chart it is on the right?
Belgium, CAMPEONATO DEL MUNDO!!!!
What kind of job do you have, to be a married one-earner couple with two kids??
I’m in this picture and I don’t like it.
As a single without children… you’re welcome!
…all you rugrat owners better teach them that working for the pension of uncle /u/MrPollyParrot is a glorious goal in return.
I hate it, but it’s on purpose. From the point of view of a cold, calculated state, procreation is vital for it’s survival.
It’s as if society wants you to have Kids and that’s why taxes are so high for singles with no Kids.
We are barely procreating as it is
The Belgian tax rate is high, we all know that.
But for me, the “married one-earner couple 2 children” thing is a bad comparison.
Because if you are married and only one person has an income, this income is divided among the two adults, resulting in a higher part of the salary being in the lower tiers of income taxation. I don’t remember the exact rules and amounts, but it is also like this if one spouse earns more than the other.
Example: ~~If the wife earns 100K per year and the husband 50K, the income would be spread over them so they would both “earn” about 75k, resulting in more income falling the lower categories, thus their tax rate goes down.~~
If the joint income is 100K, the wife earns 75K and the Husband 25K, a part of the income of the wife is “transferred” to the husband, resulting in more income going in lower tax categories, thus the joint tax rate going down.
So if the wife earns 100K per year and the husband nothing, the same principle exists and it can be a significant difference in taxation as opposed to the “single” the chart is comparing it to. Add to that the tax benefits you get for having kids, and the gap widens a bit more.
So according to me, this is the principle that is causing the big gap between couples and singles, I don’t see any other reason why there would be a difference…
I’m no specialist in foreign tax, but does this principle also exist in some of the other countries on the list?
edit: changed the numbers to reflect the actual 70-30 rule…
and funny thing if you are a rich or a big corporation you get tax deals instead of paying the proper amount
Moving back to Costa Rica asap
The debate we want to have is, do we want the space between both dots to be smaller (i.e. less difference in tax treatment) or do we want the dots and lines more to the left (lower taxes).
Ideally both, but that is probably less feasible.
Beter niet gaan werken in België.
Cause since you are single with no child you are not “in charge” of anyone, so now you’re in charge of all the socially inadequate of the country.
That’s how we have our healthcare system. I’d would still like a reform of unemployment revenues, to be fair.
You know, it’s simple to lower taxes, we’ll just reduce healthcare coverage, start charging more money for education, etc… like some of our neighbouring countries.
You’ll have even less money then if you want the same perks you have now, but at least you’ll be happy to know you’re paying less taxes.
I’ll never get why people think comparing taxes makes any sense. Taxes are irrelevant. Set a standard of living, see how much attaining *that* costs in each country (whether you pay for it via tax or on the private market, who cares), and then start making comparisons.
That’ll still result in pretty poor comparisons since comparing these kind of things is *really* hard, but it’ll make far more sense than just comparing taxes.
Let’s go to colombia
Is this good or bad? Is this saying Belgium workers keep most of it’s income or lose most of it to taxes?
die pakken ook het meest m² in e!
/s
Solution: Don’t be an incel and don’t be poor.
Kinderen maken is nu ook niet zo lastig he, luiaards. /S
Can someone explain to me what is happening in Colombia?
Would be nice to compare it with the number of ministries per country… pretty sure you will find a correlation here.
This post enrages me. Childpoverty numbers are on the rise.
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en dan nog zo’n gat in de begroting. men zou denken dat de politiek hier incompetent/corrupt is.
can someone explain how a married couple of 2; with no kids: both working full-time and earning roughly the same; pay less taxes than a “alleenstaande”/single? I have seen no difference between the aangifte before and after marriage
does it bother anyone else that in the legend the “single no children” is on the left, but in the chart it is on the right?
Belgium, CAMPEONATO DEL MUNDO!!!!
What kind of job do you have, to be a married one-earner couple with two kids??
I’m in this picture and I don’t like it.
As a single without children… you’re welcome!
…all you rugrat owners better teach them that working for the pension of uncle /u/MrPollyParrot is a glorious goal in return.
I hate it, but it’s on purpose. From the point of view of a cold, calculated state, procreation is vital for it’s survival.
It’s as if society wants you to have Kids and that’s why taxes are so high for singles with no Kids.
We are barely procreating as it is
The Belgian tax rate is high, we all know that.
But for me, the “married one-earner couple 2 children” thing is a bad comparison.
Because if you are married and only one person has an income, this income is divided among the two adults, resulting in a higher part of the salary being in the lower tiers of income taxation. I don’t remember the exact rules and amounts, but it is also like this if one spouse earns more than the other.
Example: ~~If the wife earns 100K per year and the husband 50K, the income would be spread over them so they would both “earn” about 75k, resulting in more income falling the lower categories, thus their tax rate goes down.~~
If the joint income is 100K, the wife earns 75K and the Husband 25K, a part of the income of the wife is “transferred” to the husband, resulting in more income going in lower tax categories, thus the joint tax rate going down.
So if the wife earns 100K per year and the husband nothing, the same principle exists and it can be a significant difference in taxation as opposed to the “single” the chart is comparing it to. Add to that the tax benefits you get for having kids, and the gap widens a bit more.
So according to me, this is the principle that is causing the big gap between couples and singles, I don’t see any other reason why there would be a difference…
I’m no specialist in foreign tax, but does this principle also exist in some of the other countries on the list?
edit: changed the numbers to reflect the actual 70-30 rule…
and funny thing if you are a rich or a big corporation you get tax deals instead of paying the proper amount
Moving back to Costa Rica asap
The debate we want to have is, do we want the space between both dots to be smaller (i.e. less difference in tax treatment) or do we want the dots and lines more to the left (lower taxes).
Ideally both, but that is probably less feasible.
Beter niet gaan werken in België.
Cause since you are single with no child you are not “in charge” of anyone, so now you’re in charge of all the socially inadequate of the country.
That’s how we have our healthcare system. I’d would still like a reform of unemployment revenues, to be fair.
You know, it’s simple to lower taxes, we’ll just reduce healthcare coverage, start charging more money for education, etc… like some of our neighbouring countries.
You’ll have even less money then if you want the same perks you have now, but at least you’ll be happy to know you’re paying less taxes.
I’ll never get why people think comparing taxes makes any sense. Taxes are irrelevant. Set a standard of living, see how much attaining *that* costs in each country (whether you pay for it via tax or on the private market, who cares), and then start making comparisons.
That’ll still result in pretty poor comparisons since comparing these kind of things is *really* hard, but it’ll make far more sense than just comparing taxes.
Let’s go to colombia
Is this good or bad? Is this saying Belgium workers keep most of it’s income or lose most of it to taxes?
die pakken ook het meest m² in e!
/s
Solution: Don’t be an incel and don’t be poor.
Kinderen maken is nu ook niet zo lastig he, luiaards. /S
Can someone explain to me what is happening in Colombia?
Would be nice to compare it with the number of ministries per country… pretty sure you will find a correlation here.
This post enrages me. Childpoverty numbers are on the rise.
[https://www.armoedecijfers.be/topic/kinderarmoede](https://www.armoedecijfers.be/topic/kinderarmoede)
En maar extra kinderbijslag geven i.p.v. alleenstaanden te steunen
This is a great chart to add to a datingprofile
Coming from Colombia and now living in Belgium this hurts a little.
I feel this ( 8 yr single appt owner ). At least when you’re single you can decide to skip meals when needed or never turn the heating on again.