Let’s just check who’s been arrested recently for being “offensive”…
“How come your policies are unashamedly taking from the poor to give to the rich?”
“Look over there, a wokie!”
The police doing “The Macarena” at a pride event is fun, light hearted and acceptable in that environment.
I’m guessing they wouldn’t be doing it at a murder scene, but given some of the behaviour we’ve seen from police recently (selfies with dead bodies, and inappropriate jokes) who knows?
So… Dancing is now woke?
Also, if I’m in a group of 10 and 9 take the knee and I don’t, do you really think they aren’t going to view me as having taken a position on the matter? Sometimes there is no neutrality. And being a racist pos is not a good look.
‘Beinf woke’ probably makes up 0.001 percent of the work police engage in.
It’s just a headline to pander to their voter base.
If they want to make a real difference, why not sort out the route causes of why the police are so stretched? It’s because the majority of their time is spent dealing with non police incidents such as mental health or concern / social services type calls. The police HAVE to pick up these jobs, they can’t say no. The services which should be dealing with them are so stretched themselves that they can’t. Unfortunately, the police always pick up the pieces. All essential public services need more investment to operate efficiently.
However, that doesn’t make a good headline and doesn’t please the voter base.
Oh of course, more culture war distraction bollocks. Perhaps they’d be able to do their job better if there was some investment in them, instead of tax cuts for tory donors.
Why are the Torys obsessed with coming after the ‘woke’ right now? Do they really think they are going to be able to trick us into thinking all the issues *they* caused our country are actully caused by the LGBT+ community?
Edit: if you have an issue of LGBT rights and wokeness being mixed together, then go get mad at the homophobes who think the police being friendly during gay pride is ‘woke nonsense’ rather then some rando on reddit saying it’s all a distraction tactic.
Give us our 10,000 missing officers and we’ll get back to you.
Seeing lots of people commenting and I’m guessing most of them haven’t called the police recently.
I know that the Tory party are shit and defunded the police but the police force needs a serious reprioritisation right now and I don’t care how they approach that, I just want them to not be utterly shit.
Wait wait you mean a heavily underresourced and underpaid justice system at all levels cant spend it’s time on long complicated cases that demand large swathes of time and dedication.
Truly who could ever have imagined this. I wonder what party has been cutting every part of the justice system for a decade now?
What’s the point in arresting anyone, there are no criminal defence solicitors to process the cases through the courts
Ironic really that this statement could be directed exactly at the Tories: “stop pursuit of ‘woke’ causes a get on with the job of actually governing the country.”
Obviously this sub will absolutely hate this but it’ll be incredibly popular with the vast majority of the country who can’t get the police to respond to ANY low level crime only to see Police Officers dancing around at parades and nicking people for saying mean stuff on Social Media.
The Police in the UK are absolutely pathetic at the moment, their priorities do not match with the priorities of the communities they serve and they spend far to much time pandering to niche groups rather than actually tackling crimes that people care about.
The choice of photo is such bad journalism, but it’s also so so funny.
Obviously there was going to be police presence at any big event anyway. But I love the implication that the family of a murder victim have been told “yeah sorry our hands are tied, we’d love to try to catch the monster who did this but we’ve sent all of our officers to go dance with the gays because wokeness”
Police need to strike tbh. They don’t get paid enough for the shit they put up with
> defunds the police
> blames the police for the consequences of being understaffed
There isn’t some bustling back office filled with staff whose priorities got confused, this is what happens when you cut a department
Morons who get prosecuted for gross offence are easy to identify and locate and post the evidence of their crimes of social media. For the police it’s as easy as sending some grunt officer over for 10 mins to make the charges then leaving it up to the CPS. IF CPS decide to prosecute, they have all the evidence they need.
On the other hand, a burglary takes a lot of resources and time to investigate, and the outcome is very uncertain. Even if the criminal is “known to the police” and has a very distinctive MO.
Imagine getting arrested for saying something on Twitter. I really can’t believe that “preservation of peace” has such a wide scope that “stopping people spouting drivel on social media” is grounds to send out police officers to someone’s IP location.
The term Woke is the art of making a subject triggering and ambiguous in order to start arguments between the population and primarily the working class.
Anytime you hear the word in an article they are simply trying to start a fight.
Unfortunately it woks superbly.
Police should do police work? Groundbreaking stuff.
“How dare you want us to stop arresting women at vigils and people with blank signs” – the Met, probably.
Woke has totally lost its meaning (not that it was ever used properly in the first place by the gammony right).
Apparently not even eating a bacon sandwich everyday for breakfast is considered woke these day.
A lot of people here seem to have forgotten the ~100,000 girls raped and groomed by Islamic gangs because the police daren’t touch them for fear of the accusation of racism or Islamophobia.
They were also:
•Given heroin to the point where they’d develop an addiction
•Raped by dozens of men *a day*
•Had their families threatened
•Beaten and tortured, including having cigarettes put out on them
•Told in no uncertain terms it was happening *because they were white and non-muslim*
Braverman is obsessed with the word “woke”. Has anyone actually asked her what she think it means?
So they should focus on things like fraud, insider trading, and drug use in the houses of Parliament.
Sounds like a plan
Having been a police officer for 10 years, I’m 100% certain I’ve never dropped “chasing a criminal” in order to pursue a “woke cause” instead.
Have I gone to jobs that could be described as hurty words on the Internet? Yes I have. They could also be described as misuse of a public telecommunications network (an actual offence legislated for by government), malicious communications (also an actual offence), stalking/harassment (see the pattern here), and even threats to kill (oh, look, another offence defined in statute). Sometimes, hurty words are part of a pattern of behaviour which can lead to potentially serious harm, and we’ve probably all heard of cases where the police were hauled over the coals for ignoring or downplaying legitimate concerns.
That stuff isn’t why nobody comes to your burglary. The reason nobody attends your burglary is that the police service has been stripped to the bone by the Conservatives. To give an example, the district I police has an area of about 370 sq miles and a population of around 110,000. The acceptable minimum on shift strength to police that area, according to my force, is less than 10 officers. We almost never go above the minimum, because as soon as we do those officers go elsewhere to bring another team up to their minimum strength. On an average day, there’s somewhere between 20 and 30 calls for service on our filter, ranging from reports of antisocial behaviour/nuisance all the way to domestic violence. Some of those calls will need more than one officer to deal with properly, and many of them will need more work than can be done on initial attendance. So, your burglary, where the suspect has already left the scene and you’re now home to secure your own property? That’s going to drop down the priority list – we’ll ask CSI to come round and do forensics, but do we really gain anything from sending an officer right away, especially since we don’t know who the suspect is? In the meantime, I’ve got three officers at a domestic – two to arrest and transport the suspect, one to stay and do risk assessments, statements, house to house, etc. Even when the suspect has been booked into custody (assuming they’re not then sent to custody or end up on a cell watch), those officers are probably written off for the rest of the shift doing the handover, writing their own statements, etc. There’s a good chance they’ll end up interviewing as well and then keeping the case right up until CPS submission for a decision – which is all stuff they’ll have to fit around dealing with that neverending list of calls for service for the next few weeks or months. Repeat that over and over again, and you start to see where police resources are going – they’re most going on dealing with crime, but there’s not enough of us so we have to prioritise by what presents the most threat, risk and harm, and again, an already committed burglary with an unknown suspect is unlikely to be up there. I’m not saying it’s right (it really isn’t, most of us who join the police did so to catch criminals and we’re either intensely frustrated or have stopped caring because nothing seems to change).
Of course, aside from the cut in police officer numbers that we all know about, there’s the massive reduction in police staff numbers that doesn’t get talked about as much. For example, when I joined, we still had a civilian case file building team – you gathered your evidence, got a charging decision and then sent the case off to the file builders who made sure all the right forms were complete, relevant documents redacted, exhibits properly organised and generally put it into the (exceedingly bureaucratic) format required by the courts. The file builders are gone now, due to Conservative cuts, but the work they did is still there – only now its done by officers who should be out policing but instead are doing administrative tasks in the station.
Of course, Boris Johnson (well known man of honesty and integrity) said he was going to put 20,000 more officers on the streets, not quite replacing what the Party of Law and Order got rid of… Except, to meet those numbers, many forces have radically reduced recruitment standards and assessments and shortened training times (my force dropped initial training from 18 weeks to 10, for example). The degree apprenticeship scheme has drop out rates approaching 50%, takes significantly longer to produce operational officers, and it remains to be seen how effective they are compared to traditional entry routes. Real terms cuts in pay make the job less attractive, especially given the impact on your personal life it has, and the average age of our recruits has dropped, meaning they have less life experience to bring to the table. Plus, the combination of lower pay, lower living standards and frequent proximity to crime, cash and drugs is a recipe for corruption – everyone talks a lot about the seeming return to 70s Britain, and part of that was high levels of police corruption (I don’t believe we’re there yet, but it’s an increasing risk we have to recognise).
Anyway, there’s a lot of people in the police who work hard for a job they believe in, despite what the media and the government would have you believe. Just don’t forget who has been running the country for the last 12 years.
I agree in a way. Multiple times I’ve filed reports with evidence and whatnot and they’ve gotten back to me with ‘it’s too culturally sensitive’ to handle. So what they’re really saying is us South Asian children of immigrants who reject their family’s religion and are met with violence and animosity from said family are not worth protecting.
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Let’s just check who’s been arrested recently for being “offensive”…
“How come your policies are unashamedly taking from the poor to give to the rich?”
“Look over there, a wokie!”
The police doing “The Macarena” at a pride event is fun, light hearted and acceptable in that environment.
I’m guessing they wouldn’t be doing it at a murder scene, but given some of the behaviour we’ve seen from police recently (selfies with dead bodies, and inappropriate jokes) who knows?
So… Dancing is now woke?
Also, if I’m in a group of 10 and 9 take the knee and I don’t, do you really think they aren’t going to view me as having taken a position on the matter? Sometimes there is no neutrality. And being a racist pos is not a good look.
‘Beinf woke’ probably makes up 0.001 percent of the work police engage in.
It’s just a headline to pander to their voter base.
If they want to make a real difference, why not sort out the route causes of why the police are so stretched? It’s because the majority of their time is spent dealing with non police incidents such as mental health or concern / social services type calls. The police HAVE to pick up these jobs, they can’t say no. The services which should be dealing with them are so stretched themselves that they can’t. Unfortunately, the police always pick up the pieces. All essential public services need more investment to operate efficiently.
However, that doesn’t make a good headline and doesn’t please the voter base.
Oh of course, more culture war distraction bollocks. Perhaps they’d be able to do their job better if there was some investment in them, instead of tax cuts for tory donors.
Why are the Torys obsessed with coming after the ‘woke’ right now? Do they really think they are going to be able to trick us into thinking all the issues *they* caused our country are actully caused by the LGBT+ community?
Edit: if you have an issue of LGBT rights and wokeness being mixed together, then go get mad at the homophobes who think the police being friendly during gay pride is ‘woke nonsense’ rather then some rando on reddit saying it’s all a distraction tactic.
Give us our 10,000 missing officers and we’ll get back to you.
Seeing lots of people commenting and I’m guessing most of them haven’t called the police recently.
I know that the Tory party are shit and defunded the police but the police force needs a serious reprioritisation right now and I don’t care how they approach that, I just want them to not be utterly shit.
Wait wait you mean a heavily underresourced and underpaid justice system at all levels cant spend it’s time on long complicated cases that demand large swathes of time and dedication.
Truly who could ever have imagined this. I wonder what party has been cutting every part of the justice system for a decade now?
What’s the point in arresting anyone, there are no criminal defence solicitors to process the cases through the courts
Ironic really that this statement could be directed exactly at the Tories: “stop pursuit of ‘woke’ causes a get on with the job of actually governing the country.”
Obviously this sub will absolutely hate this but it’ll be incredibly popular with the vast majority of the country who can’t get the police to respond to ANY low level crime only to see Police Officers dancing around at parades and nicking people for saying mean stuff on Social Media.
The Police in the UK are absolutely pathetic at the moment, their priorities do not match with the priorities of the communities they serve and they spend far to much time pandering to niche groups rather than actually tackling crimes that people care about.
The choice of photo is such bad journalism, but it’s also so so funny.
Obviously there was going to be police presence at any big event anyway. But I love the implication that the family of a murder victim have been told “yeah sorry our hands are tied, we’d love to try to catch the monster who did this but we’ve sent all of our officers to go dance with the gays because wokeness”
Police need to strike tbh. They don’t get paid enough for the shit they put up with
> defunds the police
> blames the police for the consequences of being understaffed
There isn’t some bustling back office filled with staff whose priorities got confused, this is what happens when you cut a department
Morons who get prosecuted for gross offence are easy to identify and locate and post the evidence of their crimes of social media. For the police it’s as easy as sending some grunt officer over for 10 mins to make the charges then leaving it up to the CPS. IF CPS decide to prosecute, they have all the evidence they need.
On the other hand, a burglary takes a lot of resources and time to investigate, and the outcome is very uncertain. Even if the criminal is “known to the police” and has a very distinctive MO.
Imagine getting arrested for saying something on Twitter. I really can’t believe that “preservation of peace” has such a wide scope that “stopping people spouting drivel on social media” is grounds to send out police officers to someone’s IP location.
The term Woke is the art of making a subject triggering and ambiguous in order to start arguments between the population and primarily the working class.
Anytime you hear the word in an article they are simply trying to start a fight.
Unfortunately it woks superbly.
Police should do police work? Groundbreaking stuff.
“How dare you want us to stop arresting women at vigils and people with blank signs” – the Met, probably.
Woke has totally lost its meaning (not that it was ever used properly in the first place by the gammony right).
Apparently not even eating a bacon sandwich everyday for breakfast is considered woke these day.
A lot of people here seem to have forgotten the ~100,000 girls raped and groomed by Islamic gangs because the police daren’t touch them for fear of the accusation of racism or Islamophobia.
They were also:
•Given heroin to the point where they’d develop an addiction
•Raped by dozens of men *a day*
•Had their families threatened
•Beaten and tortured, including having cigarettes put out on them
•Told in no uncertain terms it was happening *because they were white and non-muslim*
Braverman is obsessed with the word “woke”. Has anyone actually asked her what she think it means?
So they should focus on things like fraud, insider trading, and drug use in the houses of Parliament.
Sounds like a plan
Having been a police officer for 10 years, I’m 100% certain I’ve never dropped “chasing a criminal” in order to pursue a “woke cause” instead.
Have I gone to jobs that could be described as hurty words on the Internet? Yes I have. They could also be described as misuse of a public telecommunications network (an actual offence legislated for by government), malicious communications (also an actual offence), stalking/harassment (see the pattern here), and even threats to kill (oh, look, another offence defined in statute). Sometimes, hurty words are part of a pattern of behaviour which can lead to potentially serious harm, and we’ve probably all heard of cases where the police were hauled over the coals for ignoring or downplaying legitimate concerns.
That stuff isn’t why nobody comes to your burglary. The reason nobody attends your burglary is that the police service has been stripped to the bone by the Conservatives. To give an example, the district I police has an area of about 370 sq miles and a population of around 110,000. The acceptable minimum on shift strength to police that area, according to my force, is less than 10 officers. We almost never go above the minimum, because as soon as we do those officers go elsewhere to bring another team up to their minimum strength. On an average day, there’s somewhere between 20 and 30 calls for service on our filter, ranging from reports of antisocial behaviour/nuisance all the way to domestic violence. Some of those calls will need more than one officer to deal with properly, and many of them will need more work than can be done on initial attendance. So, your burglary, where the suspect has already left the scene and you’re now home to secure your own property? That’s going to drop down the priority list – we’ll ask CSI to come round and do forensics, but do we really gain anything from sending an officer right away, especially since we don’t know who the suspect is? In the meantime, I’ve got three officers at a domestic – two to arrest and transport the suspect, one to stay and do risk assessments, statements, house to house, etc. Even when the suspect has been booked into custody (assuming they’re not then sent to custody or end up on a cell watch), those officers are probably written off for the rest of the shift doing the handover, writing their own statements, etc. There’s a good chance they’ll end up interviewing as well and then keeping the case right up until CPS submission for a decision – which is all stuff they’ll have to fit around dealing with that neverending list of calls for service for the next few weeks or months. Repeat that over and over again, and you start to see where police resources are going – they’re most going on dealing with crime, but there’s not enough of us so we have to prioritise by what presents the most threat, risk and harm, and again, an already committed burglary with an unknown suspect is unlikely to be up there. I’m not saying it’s right (it really isn’t, most of us who join the police did so to catch criminals and we’re either intensely frustrated or have stopped caring because nothing seems to change).
Of course, aside from the cut in police officer numbers that we all know about, there’s the massive reduction in police staff numbers that doesn’t get talked about as much. For example, when I joined, we still had a civilian case file building team – you gathered your evidence, got a charging decision and then sent the case off to the file builders who made sure all the right forms were complete, relevant documents redacted, exhibits properly organised and generally put it into the (exceedingly bureaucratic) format required by the courts. The file builders are gone now, due to Conservative cuts, but the work they did is still there – only now its done by officers who should be out policing but instead are doing administrative tasks in the station.
Of course, Boris Johnson (well known man of honesty and integrity) said he was going to put 20,000 more officers on the streets, not quite replacing what the Party of Law and Order got rid of… Except, to meet those numbers, many forces have radically reduced recruitment standards and assessments and shortened training times (my force dropped initial training from 18 weeks to 10, for example). The degree apprenticeship scheme has drop out rates approaching 50%, takes significantly longer to produce operational officers, and it remains to be seen how effective they are compared to traditional entry routes. Real terms cuts in pay make the job less attractive, especially given the impact on your personal life it has, and the average age of our recruits has dropped, meaning they have less life experience to bring to the table. Plus, the combination of lower pay, lower living standards and frequent proximity to crime, cash and drugs is a recipe for corruption – everyone talks a lot about the seeming return to 70s Britain, and part of that was high levels of police corruption (I don’t believe we’re there yet, but it’s an increasing risk we have to recognise).
Anyway, there’s a lot of people in the police who work hard for a job they believe in, despite what the media and the government would have you believe. Just don’t forget who has been running the country for the last 12 years.
I agree in a way. Multiple times I’ve filed reports with evidence and whatnot and they’ve gotten back to me with ‘it’s too culturally sensitive’ to handle. So what they’re really saying is us South Asian children of immigrants who reject their family’s religion and are met with violence and animosity from said family are not worth protecting.