Sinn Féin vows 20,000 public homes, a month’s rent back into renter’s pockets and 100pc redress for defective apartments – Independent.ie

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  3. A “more participative planning system”. Aye because that’s exactly the problem we have now, not enough chances for someone to raise an objection.

    If Eoin Ó Broin was in charge during the famine he’d be out here talking about “greedy profit-driven farmers” and how important it is to get feedback from all the local fishermen before illegally planting crops.

  5. > The party would deliver 2,900 social homes through 1,000 ‘buy and renew’ social homes, 900 homes through acquisition and 1,000 turnkey new builds at a cost of €660m.

    >Some €10m would be invested into Traveller accommodation, €169m into cost rental and €115m into the Affordable Housing Fund.

    >A further €140m would be spent on ‘buy and renew’ affordable purchase homes.

    >Mr Ó Broin said 20pc of the party’s public housing delivery next year would be through existing housing stock, including vacant and derelict buildings.

    >A further 4,000 buildings of the promised 20,000 public homes would be from “reused buildings”.

    Can anyone decipher how many they’re suggesting actually building?

    Edit: had time to read through the full document this morning:

    For social housing:

    – 1000 buy and renew homes (existing stock)

    – 1000 turnkey new builds (From their document: Turnkey New Build involves the forward purchasing of private sector developments at an early stage in the development process)

    – 900 through acquisition (existing stock)

    Total of 2900 social homes (I believe this to be in addition to the government targets so basically add this on to whatever the governments current plan on)

    For affordable housing:

    – 2250 cost rentals (no info on whether delivered from existing stock or built new or bought privately)

    – 715 buy and renew (existing stock)

    – 1535 Affordable housing fund (gives local authorities 30% of the development costs of new build homes) not sure how that works

    Total of 4500 homes (this is on top of government targets of 3500)

    As they’re adding to government targets instead of redoing them from scratch, it seems they’re sticking with FFG policies of how the homes will be delivered.

    They’re promising an extra 7400 homes and they’re quoting an extra 1.4 billion to deliver that, and most of those will be from existing stock.

  6. >Mr Ó Broin said 20pc of the party’s public housing delivery next year would be through existing housing stock, including vacant and derelict buildings.

    >A further 4,000 buildings of the promised 20,000 public homes would be from “reused buildings”.

    So 12,000.

  8. Well shit. Sinn Fein are not going to resolve the housing crisis with those numbers. There aren’t any parties left who even _might_.

  9. That’s worse than what we have now.

    They’re basically saying “we’ll let the private sector build them, and we’ll give the AHBs an unlimited pot of cash to use to outbid FTBs.”

    Anyone who dreams of owning their own home is fucked. It’s like Eoin O’Broin wants us to emigrate.

  10. This plan is almost exactly the same as Housing for All. Practically identical. It frontloads some building but at the expense of longer-term building, for a higher price tag for speed.

    But this is literally 95% the existing plan for housing.

  11. SF literally just copied FF’s Housing For All. In fact it’s worse.

    FF (their ministry) are building 24,000 in 2023 (is the best estimate), but it’s matched with investment in training the workforce so that number gets bigger every year until we can get to the 50,000 needed *just to break even*.

    The solas training centres were shut for 2 years over covid, so we’re even shorter on labour than usual.

    It might actually exceed 24,000 too. The other pain point in building housing this and last year was the lack of construction materials – those supplies are coming back on stream rapidly.

    2 new brick factories opening in the UK next year. We didn’t have any timber, because no felling licences were issued during covid, but that’s resolved now.

  13. ‘1,000 new builds €660m’ so where are the €150k houses they said the could build, these will be €660k each

  14. I’d like to see more grants to restore derelict homes. You are much more likely in this day and age to just buy a house in the country outright for 50-90k with no mortgage needed, then just slowly work on it. There are a number of grants available at the moment but it could really be the way to go, for rural regeneration as well.(I’m mostly talking houses that have a decent enough roof and water, just need electric and insulation updating)

  15. One of the first things they will have to do, in order to deliver such numbers, is completely reform much of the public sector. The slowness in delivery in this country, from everything to housing and healthcare is due to a lack of accountability and efficiency in the public service.

    This is a service where ineptitude is rewarded with promotion. A service that takes good nurses off wards, gives them clipboards and turns them into managers. A service that earmarks people for jobs that they’re not suitable for, simply because they were even less suitable for their last roles. The big decisions in this country are not made by the politic as that Sinn Fein constantly criticise, they’re made by the civil servants and attorney generals behind them. The people who were there before politicians were elected and the ones who will be there when they’re replaced.

    Take our ministers as an example. We have had ministers for health that look as if they have a fry for breakfast every day and smoke 100 a day. We’ve had a minister for the Gaeltacht that didn’t speak a word of Irish. – A certain Minister went from being a housewife to a councillor, to a TD and then a Minister in a ridiculously fast time. In none of those positions did she ever achieve anything worth talking about. She is one of the poorest politicians we have but she got lucky by being in the right place at the right time (and being a woman in the time of gender quotas was useful too).

    I’ve often received press releases from this TD with long quotes that sounded like she knew her stuff. However, I happened to know for a fact that she was in bed sick at the time and wouldn’t have known a thing about the press release. This is what we’re dealing with. TDs on massive salaries are paid to take the flack from the people who actually make all the decisions.

  16. And I’m sure they’ll fund all of this spending by taxing the largest source of privately held wealth in the country…

    Just kidding they hate property taxes and so they probably wouldn’t go along with a land value tax either

  19. Fuck Sinn Fein. I didnt kill myself in college and shatter my mental health in order to finally get a good job and earn a decent living for them to consider me the enemy and take my money and give it to travellers and people who never bothered to work a day in their lives.

  20. SF is are going to make it even worse for the squeezed middle. People think they are going after the rich but the rich to them is anyone not on welfare.

    Edit: thanks for the upvotes. Glad I’m not alone

  22. On the plus side. If they go into government with FF they can both claim its their own housing plan they’re implementing

  23. The reality is it’s going to take time to get the housing market going at the level needed. Hence the poor immediate numbers.

    We should stop focusing on how many houses are going to be built next year cause that’s a shit metric for what any party’s policy is. We should be asking them how they propose

    >to attract sufficient workers and builders and house them to building can be done

    >incentivise more developers to build

    >free up land that is zoned but not being developed

    >revise the planning laws to reduce the chaos with objections and speed up permissions

    >outlaw objections from politicians, it’s a moral hazard for them, they have to represent their constituents but sometimes what the country needs and what individuals want can’t be reconciled. So give them an out for backing out of the mix

    >revise building regs for living over shops etc. Loads of this in towns and it’s just too expensive to redevelop at the moment.

    >ensure standard of build is adequate NBNB

    So as to increase what’s being built/is available each year

    Also, the reality is we are at a crossroads here in Ireland.

    >Are we going to go for being an affordable secure market where people can rent long term and into retirement at a reasonable and predictable level

    >Or are we going to try and bring the cost of housing down so rental market goes back to being social for some and temporary for others?

    >what does SF think about this???? What is its policy, not just to get elected but for 5y, 10y where does it see our housing market in 20y??

    All this bleating about numbers is ridiculous. No party can magic up houses out of its ass. Meanwhile investment funds are buying up whole housing estates and blocks of apartments and no coherent plan is put forward for how the hell everyone is supposed to secure a roof over their head now or in the future

  25. A lot less ambitious than previous Sinn Fein promises on housing, maybe as the chances of them being in government grow reality is starting to bite and the previous free houses for everyone rhetoric is being quietly buried

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