Because people vote with their wallet. Tell them animal products will cost more, they’ll vote no.
The opposition had stronger points that’s all
> thought we were going to at least try to fix the planet.
I’m far past the point of caring tbh lol. Given up on this planet long ago. Let it all burn 🤷
I find the result to be really sad and disgusting, but expected.
Goes to show that people only care about the environment (and wellbeing of animals) when it doesn’t affect them personally.
You need to implement this gradually! You can’t just from one day to another force people into closing their farms.
Maybe because “fixing the planet” isn’t as easy as imposing a bunch onerous restrictions on a bunch of farmers in the country with the most modern animal welfare laws in the world.
Swiss people are turbo cucked, afraid of change, and take the dick of the rural community at every goddamn election
These types of votes don’t make sense to me. Why does it have to be black or white? People are voting on this issue every time they purchase something, they vote with their wallet.
Those who want free range organic produce with happy animals can buy those products. And those who don’t care can buy the mass farmed stuff. Why should one side impose their choice on someone else?
This vote translates into those with financial means imposing on the poorer to stop eating animals products.
Edit: the ultimate solution in my opinion is transparency. Mandate that all meat products contains a welfare label/score and then let the consumers decide. Similar to how it’s done with eggs (CH0/1/2)
This initiative would have done absolutely nothing except make meat imports harder and thus more expensive. The planet is in equally as much shit no matter what way the vote went.
See, if we don’t do factory farming here under our laws, we will simply do it in other countries, and then ship everything to Switzerland. And we won’t even be able to control what happens in other countries.
It’s much better to have it here under our conditions, which are among the best in the world.
Fixing the planet is not profitable, that’s the issue.
Good times; ppl vote liberal
Bad times; ppl vote conservative
We had a vote for the C02 Law two years back. The climate strike movement in the romandie actively collected signatures for a referendum… I still support any strong action towards a net zero strategy but if you get backstabbed by so many orgs that supposedly aim for the same goal, makes it difficult.
Because people theoretically want to keep from burning the planet to the ground, but not at the practical cost of losing a bit of convenience or in rising prices. :/
Farmer were scared and voted against but we really try to make it pass. I voted for but this weekend has been horrible for the left
Because increased land and energy use does not fix the planet.
Only an uninformed child would vote yes to something so absurd.
Because factory farming is actually less impactful on the environment and also the main reason why people don’t die of hunger.
No.
That was never the plan.
Profit on the other hand….
I will never understand someone who votes against stuff like this… Very sad
Money, and misingormation by people with mony who want more of it
We are still in a change her in switzerland
If this comes again in 10 years, most people that voted no would be dead by then
Have you watched the “Arena” debate ? The woman supporting the “yes” was a hardcore vegan and made no attempt at hiding that her goal was to make it impossible for people to buy meat.
It’s bullshit that Basel stadt only counts as 1/2 canton
Boomers that vote and young people who don’t. That’s why.
to fix the planet in that regard, we have to change our relationship with eating meat, not by forcefully ban it so that we just get it from somewhere else.
Eating less is a start. An no, I did not say ban meat. I still get my hamburger if I need one.
Unfortunately, this topic is only at prio 4 or 5 or even lower when saving the planet.
Also, NOT eating meat would be at number 2 or 3 (I am not a vegetarian, but truths must be told).
Because the opposant made it about the prices and veganism so people got scared :/
And as usual the left and green doesn’t know how to defend their point…
Wouldn’t it be better for us and the planet to plant more organic crops through regenerative farming?
More food would be produced
Less run- off of pollution into the soil and rivers
Less erosion of land
Less animal exploitation
Less methane
Less fresh water needed to grow food.
The list goes on..
Has anyone been trying the plant based foods? They are making some really great tasting products nowadays.
Why are people still stuck in the old way that only benefits the few in the moment when what’s really at stake is all of our lives and those of our future?
My take on this is that food security is more on people’s minds than usual, and given that Switzerland already doesn’t make enough food on its own, this seemed unnecessarily risky.
Plus there is a freedom/liberty issue here. If you can’t convince enough people of the moral good of ending factory farming so that they choose to buy better products, how do you think they will react when you say “let’s take the option away from you”?
Basel 💪
Because people care more about eating cheap meat than animal welfare or the environment.
People being selfish is the reason why we can’t get shit done. People don’t wanna give up their meat, politicians don’t wanna give up lobbyist money and corporations don’t wanna give up their profits. Why do we even expect to be able to fix climate change if literally nobody wants to give up on their selfishness? Consumers blame companies for not changing, companies blame consumers for not consuming less. We get nowhere because it’s easier to put blame on someone else than to give up a personal convenience.
Stop flying in exotic fruits and vegetables daily from around the world and maybe we can start discussions around meat
Misinformation, Farmer / Meat Lobbies.
Part of it is also an overaging part of the population clinging on to past values. E.g animals don’t have feelings, animals don’t understand and thus don’t care whether they live, real men eat meat, a proper meal has at least 1 kind of meat etc.
Very prevalent very weird stuff..
Many people still believe Meat is a necessity. Meat marketing and packaging is so far away from production that the mental effort to imagine what is happening at the other end is way harder than to just ignore it and salivate on the imagination of spiced meat.
And in my opinion one of the biggest problems is our role as role models. People tend to look in the direction of money. And this part of ecological impact is never mentioned.
Yes there is a sustainable way to produce meat in CH. Wether it is ethical is in our current cultural understanding subjective. No there is no way to make weekly meat consumption sustainable in CH. Not in all regions of the world it is possible to produce meat sustainably.
“Try to fix the planet”.
Lmao, good one.
Switzerland is literally about 0,008% of the world area (or 0.027% of the landmass).
Even if we were perfect and managed to be 100% ecologically neutral, IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO SAVE THE PLANET JUST WITH US.
Godamn, I know people here are naive but please, for my sanity, please try to make sense.
Let’s be real, it’s mostly because of the price.
You cant win against the farmers association here, sadly.
Seems you were wrong.
i always vote no, when it comes to restrict our farmers ecen MORE. we are losing enough of them and this would put the risk of losing more way higher!
Cause most of the worlds population is still high on that copium.
“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.”
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Because people vote with their wallet. Tell them animal products will cost more, they’ll vote no.
The opposition had stronger points that’s all
> thought we were going to at least try to fix the planet.
I’m far past the point of caring tbh lol. Given up on this planet long ago. Let it all burn 🤷
I find the result to be really sad and disgusting, but expected.
Goes to show that people only care about the environment (and wellbeing of animals) when it doesn’t affect them personally.
You need to implement this gradually! You can’t just from one day to another force people into closing their farms.
Maybe because “fixing the planet” isn’t as easy as imposing a bunch onerous restrictions on a bunch of farmers in the country with the most modern animal welfare laws in the world.
Swiss people are turbo cucked, afraid of change, and take the dick of the rural community at every goddamn election
These types of votes don’t make sense to me. Why does it have to be black or white? People are voting on this issue every time they purchase something, they vote with their wallet.
Those who want free range organic produce with happy animals can buy those products. And those who don’t care can buy the mass farmed stuff. Why should one side impose their choice on someone else?
This vote translates into those with financial means imposing on the poorer to stop eating animals products.
Edit: the ultimate solution in my opinion is transparency. Mandate that all meat products contains a welfare label/score and then let the consumers decide. Similar to how it’s done with eggs (CH0/1/2)
This initiative would have done absolutely nothing except make meat imports harder and thus more expensive. The planet is in equally as much shit no matter what way the vote went.
See, if we don’t do factory farming here under our laws, we will simply do it in other countries, and then ship everything to Switzerland. And we won’t even be able to control what happens in other countries.
It’s much better to have it here under our conditions, which are among the best in the world.
Fixing the planet is not profitable, that’s the issue.
Good times; ppl vote liberal
Bad times; ppl vote conservative
We had a vote for the C02 Law two years back. The climate strike movement in the romandie actively collected signatures for a referendum… I still support any strong action towards a net zero strategy but if you get backstabbed by so many orgs that supposedly aim for the same goal, makes it difficult.
Because people theoretically want to keep from burning the planet to the ground, but not at the practical cost of losing a bit of convenience or in rising prices. :/
Farmer were scared and voted against but we really try to make it pass. I voted for but this weekend has been horrible for the left
Because increased land and energy use does not fix the planet.
Only an uninformed child would vote yes to something so absurd.
Because factory farming is actually less impactful on the environment and also the main reason why people don’t die of hunger.
No.
That was never the plan.
Profit on the other hand….
I will never understand someone who votes against stuff like this… Very sad
Money, and misingormation by people with mony who want more of it
We are still in a change her in switzerland
If this comes again in 10 years, most people that voted no would be dead by then
Have you watched the “Arena” debate ? The woman supporting the “yes” was a hardcore vegan and made no attempt at hiding that her goal was to make it impossible for people to buy meat.
It’s bullshit that Basel stadt only counts as 1/2 canton
Boomers that vote and young people who don’t. That’s why.
to fix the planet in that regard, we have to change our relationship with eating meat, not by forcefully ban it so that we just get it from somewhere else.
Eating less is a start. An no, I did not say ban meat. I still get my hamburger if I need one.
Unfortunately, this topic is only at prio 4 or 5 or even lower when saving the planet.
Also, NOT eating meat would be at number 2 or 3 (I am not a vegetarian, but truths must be told).
Because the opposant made it about the prices and veganism so people got scared :/
And as usual the left and green doesn’t know how to defend their point…
Wouldn’t it be better for us and the planet to plant more organic crops through regenerative farming?
More food would be produced
Less run- off of pollution into the soil and rivers
Less erosion of land
Less animal exploitation
Less methane
Less fresh water needed to grow food.
The list goes on..
Has anyone been trying the plant based foods? They are making some really great tasting products nowadays.
Why are people still stuck in the old way that only benefits the few in the moment when what’s really at stake is all of our lives and those of our future?
My take on this is that food security is more on people’s minds than usual, and given that Switzerland already doesn’t make enough food on its own, this seemed unnecessarily risky.
Plus there is a freedom/liberty issue here. If you can’t convince enough people of the moral good of ending factory farming so that they choose to buy better products, how do you think they will react when you say “let’s take the option away from you”?
Basel 💪
Because people care more about eating cheap meat than animal welfare or the environment.
People being selfish is the reason why we can’t get shit done. People don’t wanna give up their meat, politicians don’t wanna give up lobbyist money and corporations don’t wanna give up their profits. Why do we even expect to be able to fix climate change if literally nobody wants to give up on their selfishness? Consumers blame companies for not changing, companies blame consumers for not consuming less. We get nowhere because it’s easier to put blame on someone else than to give up a personal convenience.
Stop flying in exotic fruits and vegetables daily from around the world and maybe we can start discussions around meat
Misinformation, Farmer / Meat Lobbies.
Part of it is also an overaging part of the population clinging on to past values. E.g animals don’t have feelings, animals don’t understand and thus don’t care whether they live, real men eat meat, a proper meal has at least 1 kind of meat etc.
Very prevalent very weird stuff..
Many people still believe Meat is a necessity. Meat marketing and packaging is so far away from production that the mental effort to imagine what is happening at the other end is way harder than to just ignore it and salivate on the imagination of spiced meat.
And in my opinion one of the biggest problems is our role as role models. People tend to look in the direction of money. And this part of ecological impact is never mentioned.
Yes there is a sustainable way to produce meat in CH. Wether it is ethical is in our current cultural understanding subjective. No there is no way to make weekly meat consumption sustainable in CH. Not in all regions of the world it is possible to produce meat sustainably.
“Try to fix the planet”.
Lmao, good one.
Switzerland is literally about 0,008% of the world area (or 0.027% of the landmass).
Even if we were perfect and managed to be 100% ecologically neutral, IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO SAVE THE PLANET JUST WITH US.
Godamn, I know people here are naive but please, for my sanity, please try to make sense.
Let’s be real, it’s mostly because of the price.
You cant win against the farmers association here, sadly.
Seems you were wrong.
i always vote no, when it comes to restrict our farmers ecen MORE. we are losing enough of them and this would put the risk of losing more way higher!
Cause most of the worlds population is still high on that copium.
“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.”
Mahatma Gandhi
But what about my cervelat?