Mental considering the prohibited stuff on this list was still going on at least until the 70s (I’m sure more recent – just talking from what I’ve heard from family) 50 years later.
Good old times. At least some order
One would have thought that if that was the attitude in 1923 that by the late seventies and early eighties when I was in secondary school that it would be completely unheard of.
I remember in 1981 getting three swift punches in a row from a teacher which left me completely stunned as I hadn’t been expecting it at all. He had struck me from behind and my head had hit the desk as well. The bombardment only stopped when the fella sitting in front of me stood up and told the teacher to stop.
My mother was battered on a regular basis by nuns in her primary school, it completely turned her away from the church, I remember that when I was young it was always my dad who was pushing out the door to church on sundays, never my mother. The nuns are gone now, all the convents sold off, and not a single person misses them, it’s only a matter of time before all the priests are gone and the churches sold off too, we won’t miss them either, good riddance.
Interesting that hair pulling was outlawed.
My teachers used always pull hair and it’s not that long ago. Just the 1990s.
It hurts a lot, makes your eyes water and doesn’t leave any marks.
As my dad says, I have a load of rules at work, we choose which ones we follow and hope we don’t get caught ignoring the other ones.
That’s a fucking laugh. I started school 41 years after those instructions issued. Every single teacher carried and used weapons. One cunt of a nun regularly beat 5 and 6 year olds with a heavy leather strap. Left the convent at age of 7 to go to “boys school”. One sadist there used a rounded cane with a brass tip to beat kids. Another relied on a length of plastic water pipe. On to secondary school. A well known Diocesan College. No weapons carried. Preferred to kick, punch students or throw objects at their head. I hope every one of the fuckers died in agony.
When I started Junior infants in the early 80s in Dublin we would still get a crack on the hand with a ruler if we misbehaved. I had the same teacher for junior and senior infants and a different one for first class. She changed it up by using a length of plastic curtain rail and occasionally clocking you on the back of the head with the wooden side of the chalkboard eraser. Mostly for being an “ignorant ornament”.
Well as long as it’s only a *light* cane /s
My head master used to carry around a broken golf stick to hit kids with. That was in the 80’s/90’s.
Fucking Christian Brothers didn’t follow these rules in the late 1970s/early 1980s.
There was one bastard principal in Nenagh who loved using his leather strap.
Cunt is the only word available to describe him. An absolute fucking cunt.
From what I know of Irish history this wasn’t followed, at all really. I’ve spoken to loads of people who went to school in the 50s and even some from the 80s who described teachers walking around beating the shit out of kids
Signed off by asshole and dilhole 😡🤬
Interesting that these rules seem intended to curb, as much as focus, the potential violence of the teachers. Have to wait ten minutes before punishing means the teachers are less likely to punish in anger. They also can’t walk around with a cane as they would be more likely to spontaneously punish if they have it in their hands. Teachers also have to write out the transgression *before* punishing. I wonder if writing something out makes the teacher think and not be so emotional before punishing. Of course the caning is still violent, it’s just curious how the rules laid out seem designed to *order* or *organize* that violence so as to make it appear as legitimate punishment and not some kind of anger fueled attack.
In some basic way this document tries to justify corporal punishment as rationalized violence. It’s hard to tell which is worse, a violent asshole who attacks people in anger, or a codification of how and when children can be beaten.
Not only did the National Schools flout these rules but, almost uniquely in a 20th century western country, Ireland handed over much of the responsibility for education to religious organisations. Their schools set their own brutal rules.
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Mental considering the prohibited stuff on this list was still going on at least until the 70s (I’m sure more recent – just talking from what I’ve heard from family) 50 years later.
Good old times. At least some order
One would have thought that if that was the attitude in 1923 that by the late seventies and early eighties when I was in secondary school that it would be completely unheard of.
I remember in 1981 getting three swift punches in a row from a teacher which left me completely stunned as I hadn’t been expecting it at all. He had struck me from behind and my head had hit the desk as well. The bombardment only stopped when the fella sitting in front of me stood up and told the teacher to stop.
My mother was battered on a regular basis by nuns in her primary school, it completely turned her away from the church, I remember that when I was young it was always my dad who was pushing out the door to church on sundays, never my mother. The nuns are gone now, all the convents sold off, and not a single person misses them, it’s only a matter of time before all the priests are gone and the churches sold off too, we won’t miss them either, good riddance.
Interesting that hair pulling was outlawed.
My teachers used always pull hair and it’s not that long ago. Just the 1990s.
It hurts a lot, makes your eyes water and doesn’t leave any marks.
As my dad says, I have a load of rules at work, we choose which ones we follow and hope we don’t get caught ignoring the other ones.
That’s a fucking laugh. I started school 41 years after those instructions issued. Every single teacher carried and used weapons. One cunt of a nun regularly beat 5 and 6 year olds with a heavy leather strap. Left the convent at age of 7 to go to “boys school”. One sadist there used a rounded cane with a brass tip to beat kids. Another relied on a length of plastic water pipe. On to secondary school. A well known Diocesan College. No weapons carried. Preferred to kick, punch students or throw objects at their head. I hope every one of the fuckers died in agony.
When I started Junior infants in the early 80s in Dublin we would still get a crack on the hand with a ruler if we misbehaved. I had the same teacher for junior and senior infants and a different one for first class. She changed it up by using a length of plastic curtain rail and occasionally clocking you on the back of the head with the wooden side of the chalkboard eraser. Mostly for being an “ignorant ornament”.
Well as long as it’s only a *light* cane /s
My head master used to carry around a broken golf stick to hit kids with. That was in the 80’s/90’s.
Fucking Christian Brothers didn’t follow these rules in the late 1970s/early 1980s.
There was one bastard principal in Nenagh who loved using his leather strap.
Cunt is the only word available to describe him. An absolute fucking cunt.
From what I know of Irish history this wasn’t followed, at all really. I’ve spoken to loads of people who went to school in the 50s and even some from the 80s who described teachers walking around beating the shit out of kids
Signed off by asshole and dilhole 😡🤬
Interesting that these rules seem intended to curb, as much as focus, the potential violence of the teachers. Have to wait ten minutes before punishing means the teachers are less likely to punish in anger. They also can’t walk around with a cane as they would be more likely to spontaneously punish if they have it in their hands. Teachers also have to write out the transgression *before* punishing. I wonder if writing something out makes the teacher think and not be so emotional before punishing. Of course the caning is still violent, it’s just curious how the rules laid out seem designed to *order* or *organize* that violence so as to make it appear as legitimate punishment and not some kind of anger fueled attack.
In some basic way this document tries to justify corporal punishment as rationalized violence. It’s hard to tell which is worse, a violent asshole who attacks people in anger, or a codification of how and when children can be beaten.
Not only did the National Schools flout these rules but, almost uniquely in a 20th century western country, Ireland handed over much of the responsibility for education to religious organisations. Their schools set their own brutal rules.