MR wil fiscale hervorming koppelen aan hervorming arbeidsmarkt: “Er zitten niet genoeg stimulansen in om te gaan werken en er zijn te veel werkloosheidsvallen”

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  2. *Er is ook sprake van gemeenschapsdienst na twee jaar werkloosheid.*

    Echt waar, elke keer dezelfde bullshit.
    Ik doe de vrijwilligerswerking van een relatief grote vzw. Ik moet ze niet hebben, de sukkelaars die ge hiermee in huis krijgt. Niemand is gebaat bij iemand die verplicht iets moet doen. Ik zou er meer tijd en moeite in moeten steken dan dat ik eruit zou halen en ik vermoed dat het in bijna alle sectoren idem is.

  3. nerf unions, extra money for employers and open season on the weakest people in society… btw unemployment benefits already decrease over time until you’re left with fuck all. That’s really going to do wonders to improve society. Where do these morons come from?
    In the meantime companies get subsidized up the asshole with taxpayer money through tax breaks and incentives. Profits soar and disappear in the pockets of the few while wages stagnate, but it’s all these unemployed freeloaders weighing on the economy, right…
    It’s the age of the narcissistic, nihilistic grifter leaving behind a wasteland.

  4. Community service and taking away living wage are a big no no, but I am not against the limiting unemployment to two years (perhaps with the possibility to extend it during times with high unemployment).

    If I recall he also proposed to let people on invalidity work without losing their benefits, that’s a good idea too. Such a shame that the PS immediatly vetoes the whole package instead of negotiating a compromise.

  5. Didn’t we recently have a discussion where the premise was: it’s not the unemployed, it’s the “inactieven” which needs to be “activated” to get that magical employment rate of 80%.

    > Uit studies van het Steunpunt Werk van de KU Leuven blijkt die grote groep inactieven ruwweg uiteen te vallen in vijf groepen: de arbeidsongeschikten, de huisvrouwen en -mannen, de vervroegd gepensioneerden, de studenten, en mensen die wel willen werken maar om tal van redenen de weg naar de Belgische arbeidsmarkt niet vinden. ‘Dé inactieve bestaat niet. Het is een heel diverse groep en de oplossingen zijn dan ook heel erg divers’, zegt Ive Marx, econoom aan de Universiteit Antwerpen.

    https://www.tijd.be/politiek-economie/belgie/economie/waarom-krijgt-belgie-de-inactieven-zo-moeilijk-aan-het-werk/10368235.html

    The article goes into depth about how each group poses challenges.

    Even Baert admits:

    > Arbeidsmarktexperts en economen noemen het federale akkoord een logische modernisering van het arbeidsrecht. Maar wie de werkzaamheidsgraad met die maatregelen naar 80 procent wil tillen, gelooft volgens arbeidseconoom Stijn Baert (Universiteit Gent) in sciencefiction. Wie een werkzaamheidsgraad van 80 procent ambieert, moet creatiever uit de hoek komen om niet-werkzoekenden te activeren.

    Fyi: the current employment rate is 70%.

  6. Its fairly simple. Provide people who’ve unemployed because who are perfectly capable of working not with money but with what they need. A roof over their head, heating, food – but not money.

  7. Zorg er ook voor dat bedrijven dan minstens evenveel % belastingen op hun winsten betalen als een alleenstaande, minstens 52%.

  8. This can only be read as “MR wants to block fiscal reform”. Linking 2 immensely complicated reforms, is ensuring neither of them happen. Especially if someone like Bouchez is continuously sabotaging anything he doesn’t like.

  10. the solution is simple, make it so that people have more net wage left after taxes and properly reward people who work hard.

  11. I work 2 jobs and these fuckers tax me like crazy! Maybe reward the people that want to work more!

  12. I don’t know if community service and lowering the welfare benefits is the solution, but in the end you need a cut off. If you don’t want to work(or earn money) that is fine, but not on societies dime.

    At some moment the money should stop flowing your way. Either you are undoubtedly disabled or you get an article 60 job. If you refuse the article 60 job you’re out of luck. Ofcourse an exception for education/training is needed but that should be limited and tied to study progress.

    The proposal of Vincent Van Peteghem to reform the taxes is a step in the right direction.

    Anecdotal: I know 3 people who live of living wages 5+ years. They are NEETs. Their only obligation is a yearly meeting with their social worker to prolong their living wage and to behave. Those people can work just fine, but they were unwilling to really coperate and after some time your file is last on the pile. Unintelligible and mind blowing.

  13. People are simply sick of capitalism… Cost of living and housing prices have gone up immensely in the past 25 years but income has barely risen at all. Knowing that in the past you could survive on a single income and still have flexible work hours whereas now you need the income of two fulltime working people to live comfortably is extremely demotivating.

    Stop screwing over the middle-class, future generations/new workers, maybe then you get people activated. And stop making government jobs so damn complex with all the paperwork. There aren’t enough teachers for example… Why? Because they have more administrative work than actual teaching.

    There is a reason why depression, burnout and suicide numbers are this high…

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