“They hurt my previous ego by not perfectly confirming and obeying every whim how dare they. Now how can I get off by myself in my office knowing that these peasants dare to not serve me like their god” ~Headteacher
I well wait for the people to come in and try and claim that ensuring matching socks for all somehow prevents bullying; is teaching them life skills and mandatory to even be able to consider having a job later on in life.
Im sure it has nothing to do with someone that gets off from being in a position of power also being so disconnected from reality that they have 0 clue how anything actually relates to anything while actual being completely incompetent at understanding what is necessary for a succesful output of their job. In this case ensuring an environment suitable for learning and providing children with safety and the best opportunity possible.
Just kick kids out that achieves it right?
“Excluded pupils at the school, which caters for around 1,500 children aged 11-18, were ordered to spend the day in the “behaviour inclusion centre””
Is that like a special re-education camp?
So out of touch, that generation will grow up and end up working from home in their pyjamas
Little things do matter. I remember almost every pathetic display of power an adult pulled on me.
This doesn’t teach kids discipline, it teaches them their head is a worthless little hitler.
He did a very impressive interview on LBC. The point people seem to be missing is this isn’t really about socks, it’s about adults having a grip on the school instead of the kids/families who believe themselves to be special as that small number fucks up the experience for everyone else.
Wait til he hears that some people go to work not wearing socks.
His mind will be blown.
> “In my four weeks of being at the school the atmosphere is tangibly different.”
Oh, I’m sure it is. Like how the atmosphere in Pyongyang is tangibly different from the one in Seoul, probably.
I go to work wearing what the fuck I want. I don’t own a suit. I wear gym shoes, shorts and a fucking hoodie.
Dress code at school made me feel uncomfortable and that is the least thing I want to be when at work.
Fuck these head teachers.
Edit, I am commenting on the idea that school is meant to prepare you for the workplace and that uniforms are a part of that process.
Never in my entire adulthood have I been subject to the same kind of draconian rules that were enforced at school when I was a child.
These types of people would have “arbeit macht frei” above the school gates if they could get away with it.
It’s time school uniforms were abandoned altogether. The amount of time wasted on nonsense like this, even at schools with more “reasonable” policies is ridiculous.
I don’t think uniforms serve any positive purpose in modern eduction. As demonstrated they are a burden on teaching time, they do nothing to truly hide inequalities, and instil increasingly dubious “life skills” in an increasingly casually-presenting world.
Let kids wear what socks they like and get on with educating them.
This is yet another example of poor leadership displayed by poor policy leaders implementation. It’s what crap leaders do to make it look like they are doing something. See the government (Therese Coffrey) and my local primary for further examples.
I mean, why not pull together and support one another in the local community when you can harp on about the importance of the school uniform? All when families are struggling to put food on the table and keep homes habitable.
Such a load of bollox. They really don’t matter. They want to completely overhaul the education system, it’s completely shit & all they want to do is tick boxes.
The headmaster is also an outspoken evangelical Christian. To me this kind of delusion needs to be kept far far from from being able to influence children.
“He speaks extensively at schools, universities, churches and conferences, has written articles for the national and Christian press and is the author of ‘And They Crucified Him’, ‘Revelation’ and ‘The Heart of the Problem’. He is a member of Amyand Park Chapel in London”
Madness, was shouted at and humiliated in front of my whole class as my black school shoes were a little worn out and were more grey now… Prick
Socks and shoes, absolutely BS. Socks are underwear never you mind what one wears as underwear. Especially children.
Your feet need to be comfortable very rarely even today do I have a great pair of comfortable shoes let alone at school. These people are tyrants, they don’t even realise it, the worst type, the ones who think they are doing good.
No they fucking don’t – that’s why they’re little things.
Honestly, I’ve never understood this obsession with dress code in schools, how the hell does what you wear impact your ability to learn? Rubbish.
Why is he obsessing over childrens feet and still allowed near children?
About 6 years ago I helped my daughter research an EPQ paper she had to write at school regarding the schools current uniform policy.
One of the things that she found was there is no peer reviewed studies that support the wearing of uniforms at school made for a “better” school.
In comparison, there are literally hundreds of papers that disprove the reasoning behind uninform. It proved the fallacy behind uniform policy, in that it ultimately degrades social cohesion, behaviour, learning, discipline and that that it discourages bullying. In fact it would seem that the stricter the policy, the more all these issues were pushed to the fore and became problems at the schools that were being studied.
There was even one paper that suggested that the reason why the UK was preforming so badly in state education compared our European peers was our national obsession with uniform compliance and other petty and seemingly illogical rules many of our schools are run by.
The other conclusion was that the benefits of wearing of uniform are purely anecdotal, have little or no basis in fact and is an outdated conformity strategy pursued as entirely as “discipline for discipline sake”, a strategy that is almost universally accepted as detrimental to educational development.
(She got an A* but failed to convince the governors that policy change was needed)
Here’s a story about the same head attempting to get a black kid to cut his dreadlocks off, only to have to back down when the Equality and Human Rights Commission got involved –
“Breaking news: Headteacher enforces school rules”.
Sounds like a good school. Nothing causes chaos faster than rules being selectively ignored or applied.
When I first went to Secondary school we had a proper disciplinarian as Head, a guy called Peter Dawson. He would use binoculars to watch over the school grounds and nearby park and use the tannoy to call pupils to his study for various misdemeanors. He must have had a pretty good memory for faces and names given that the school had >1500 students.
After my third year (8th grade?) he moved on and was replaced by a more lenient headmaster. Frankly the school tanked after that. There was much more fighting between the pupils and poor behavior within the classrooms.
There is something to be said for imposing some order and direction in pupils lives.
I have a totally different view on uniforms than most people in this sub.
I think uniform policies are good, and should be enforced.
Being bullied at school is a massive deal. Once you introduce fashion into the mix, that’s one thing, but an even bigger thing is poverty and fashion. Imagine the pointless bullying for someone who turns up in Asdas own trainers, rather than the newest Nike or whatever kids are wanting these days. Given this as reddit, lets look at it from a slightly different angle: It limits what rich kids can show off with, rather than makes poor kids buy something they can’t afford.
School is also supposed to be an interactive experience for parents, too. They’re supposed to be involved in their child’s education. Making sure your kid goes in the right socks is literally the BARE minimum, and if you can’t do that, then we should probably start asking questions about what other support you aren’t giving them in their education. Do you think parents who can’t read or follow the uniform requirements are going to be strict on the homework requirements?
Regardless of whether we like it or not, arbitrary rules exist across our entire society. Most people want a good job, happy family, not to go to prison or whatever. All of these require stringent following of basic rules. If you can’t comprehend them, or don’t do them, you might lose your opportunities.
Yep. You work in a public place and tell customers they can’t do something, but then change your mind, many will start pushing the boundaries more and more. They learn that the rules are negotiable and that it’s worth them trying to bend them to see what they can get. Same with kids. Not because they’re bad people necessarily, but just because it’s natural. First it’s socks, then after a few months they’re telling the teachers to fuck off. Teachers are there to teach children, not to waste time negotiating with children about rules. You set a boundary and you stick to it.
These are largely not kids with no access to socks. It’s not different to kids untucking their shirts to try to be cool. But the headmaster said there are some kids in financial difficulty, so maybe it is worth looking at a uniform change so that school socks can also double as non-school socks. But the current uniform is the current uniform, so rules should enforced until the policy is changed, for the reason I gave in the first paragraph.
Reasonably-priced school uniforms are great. Hated them by the end of school (but then most of us also didn’t always love homework, being told to eat less sweets etc), but it makes life much easier for kids and parents alike (don’t spend time selecting clothes, don’t have to buy expensive casual clothes) and teaches you how to dress formally and helps spot truancy.
I do wish uniform could be abolished, for both kids this September it cost me £230 and that is alot for me.
I heard that high-school blazers at my school are costing £140, I just could not afford that and I’m dreading when they get to high school.
I understand about equality but jeeze I would love to just send them in their own clothes everyday.
Wow, so many people with such highly developed opinions about education.
If you all signed up to teach we would solve the recruitment crisis over night.
I’ll wait.
I listened to the head teacher on the radio the other day and he sounded fine and made a reasonable explanation of why he considers it important. And it wasn’t outlandish just plain black socks above your ankles and they school would help any that needed help with it.
People in here can’t have it both ways, rules are there for a reason its to help develop children and have boundaries that need to be enforced it helps develop respect.
I know everyone in here wants to stick it to the man, except when it’s their turn to step up to the plate and be counted
I used to teach in FE. I did English, a lot of gcse retakes and “functional skills”. So many kids I taught were perfectly bright but had never even been taught the basics because they’d been taken out of class for minor uniform violations.
I remember a girl who was 18 years old excitedly explaining that she now finally understood the difference between your and you’re. She picked it up easily and never got it wrong again.
She told me she’d missed most of English because her hair was always against uniform.
She was a hair and beauty student.
A lot of senior leadership in a lot of schools need to go have a hard think about their lives and then go fuck themselves quietly somewhere far away from everyone else.
I’m 31 and still harbour so much resentment towards my primary school and the shitty rules they enforced on us. I remember being about 6 or 7 and busting to go to toilet in the middle of class because a teacher wouldn’t let me go… years later I still feel guilty about leaving my desk to go to the toilet at work. Fuck them for that.
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This prepares them for future life…in North Korea
“They hurt my previous ego by not perfectly confirming and obeying every whim how dare they. Now how can I get off by myself in my office knowing that these peasants dare to not serve me like their god” ~Headteacher
I well wait for the people to come in and try and claim that ensuring matching socks for all somehow prevents bullying; is teaching them life skills and mandatory to even be able to consider having a job later on in life.
Im sure it has nothing to do with someone that gets off from being in a position of power also being so disconnected from reality that they have 0 clue how anything actually relates to anything while actual being completely incompetent at understanding what is necessary for a succesful output of their job. In this case ensuring an environment suitable for learning and providing children with safety and the best opportunity possible.
Just kick kids out that achieves it right?
“Excluded pupils at the school, which caters for around 1,500 children aged 11-18, were ordered to spend the day in the “behaviour inclusion centre””
Is that like a special re-education camp?
So out of touch, that generation will grow up and end up working from home in their pyjamas
Little things do matter. I remember almost every pathetic display of power an adult pulled on me.
This doesn’t teach kids discipline, it teaches them their head is a worthless little hitler.
He did a very impressive interview on LBC. The point people seem to be missing is this isn’t really about socks, it’s about adults having a grip on the school instead of the kids/families who believe themselves to be special as that small number fucks up the experience for everyone else.
Wait til he hears that some people go to work not wearing socks.
His mind will be blown.
> “In my four weeks of being at the school the atmosphere is tangibly different.”
Oh, I’m sure it is. Like how the atmosphere in Pyongyang is tangibly different from the one in Seoul, probably.
I go to work wearing what the fuck I want. I don’t own a suit. I wear gym shoes, shorts and a fucking hoodie.
Dress code at school made me feel uncomfortable and that is the least thing I want to be when at work.
Fuck these head teachers.
Edit, I am commenting on the idea that school is meant to prepare you for the workplace and that uniforms are a part of that process.
Never in my entire adulthood have I been subject to the same kind of draconian rules that were enforced at school when I was a child.
These types of people would have “arbeit macht frei” above the school gates if they could get away with it.
It’s time school uniforms were abandoned altogether. The amount of time wasted on nonsense like this, even at schools with more “reasonable” policies is ridiculous.
I don’t think uniforms serve any positive purpose in modern eduction. As demonstrated they are a burden on teaching time, they do nothing to truly hide inequalities, and instil increasingly dubious “life skills” in an increasingly casually-presenting world.
Let kids wear what socks they like and get on with educating them.
This is yet another example of poor leadership displayed by poor policy leaders implementation. It’s what crap leaders do to make it look like they are doing something. See the government (Therese Coffrey) and my local primary for further examples.
I mean, why not pull together and support one another in the local community when you can harp on about the importance of the school uniform? All when families are struggling to put food on the table and keep homes habitable.
Such a load of bollox. They really don’t matter. They want to completely overhaul the education system, it’s completely shit & all they want to do is tick boxes.
The headmaster is also an outspoken evangelical Christian. To me this kind of delusion needs to be kept far far from from being able to influence children.
“He speaks extensively at schools, universities, churches and conferences, has written articles for the national and Christian press and is the author of ‘And They Crucified Him’, ‘Revelation’ and ‘The Heart of the Problem’. He is a member of Amyand Park Chapel in London”
Madness, was shouted at and humiliated in front of my whole class as my black school shoes were a little worn out and were more grey now… Prick
Socks and shoes, absolutely BS. Socks are underwear never you mind what one wears as underwear. Especially children.
Your feet need to be comfortable very rarely even today do I have a great pair of comfortable shoes let alone at school. These people are tyrants, they don’t even realise it, the worst type, the ones who think they are doing good.
No they fucking don’t – that’s why they’re little things.
Honestly, I’ve never understood this obsession with dress code in schools, how the hell does what you wear impact your ability to learn? Rubbish.
Why is he obsessing over childrens feet and still allowed near children?
Dude’s name is literally “Ebenezer”.
You could *not* make that up.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlunEbenezer/photo
About 6 years ago I helped my daughter research an EPQ paper she had to write at school regarding the schools current uniform policy.
One of the things that she found was there is no peer reviewed studies that support the wearing of uniforms at school made for a “better” school.
In comparison, there are literally hundreds of papers that disprove the reasoning behind uninform. It proved the fallacy behind uniform policy, in that it ultimately degrades social cohesion, behaviour, learning, discipline and that that it discourages bullying. In fact it would seem that the stricter the policy, the more all these issues were pushed to the fore and became problems at the schools that were being studied.
There was even one paper that suggested that the reason why the UK was preforming so badly in state education compared our European peers was our national obsession with uniform compliance and other petty and seemingly illogical rules many of our schools are run by.
The other conclusion was that the benefits of wearing of uniform are purely anecdotal, have little or no basis in fact and is an outdated conformity strategy pursued as entirely as “discipline for discipline sake”, a strategy that is almost universally accepted as detrimental to educational development.
(She got an A* but failed to convince the governors that policy change was needed)
Here’s a story about the same head attempting to get a black kid to cut his dreadlocks off, only to have to back down when the Equality and Human Rights Commission got involved –
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/sep/12/london-school-that-told-boy-to-cut-off-dreadlocks-backs-down
What an absolutely Pathetic man.
“Breaking news: Headteacher enforces school rules”.
Sounds like a good school. Nothing causes chaos faster than rules being selectively ignored or applied.
When I first went to Secondary school we had a proper disciplinarian as Head, a guy called Peter Dawson. He would use binoculars to watch over the school grounds and nearby park and use the tannoy to call pupils to his study for various misdemeanors. He must have had a pretty good memory for faces and names given that the school had >1500 students.
After my third year (8th grade?) he moved on and was replaced by a more lenient headmaster. Frankly the school tanked after that. There was much more fighting between the pupils and poor behavior within the classrooms.
There is something to be said for imposing some order and direction in pupils lives.
I have a totally different view on uniforms than most people in this sub.
I think uniform policies are good, and should be enforced.
Being bullied at school is a massive deal. Once you introduce fashion into the mix, that’s one thing, but an even bigger thing is poverty and fashion. Imagine the pointless bullying for someone who turns up in Asdas own trainers, rather than the newest Nike or whatever kids are wanting these days. Given this as reddit, lets look at it from a slightly different angle: It limits what rich kids can show off with, rather than makes poor kids buy something they can’t afford.
School is also supposed to be an interactive experience for parents, too. They’re supposed to be involved in their child’s education. Making sure your kid goes in the right socks is literally the BARE minimum, and if you can’t do that, then we should probably start asking questions about what other support you aren’t giving them in their education. Do you think parents who can’t read or follow the uniform requirements are going to be strict on the homework requirements?
Regardless of whether we like it or not, arbitrary rules exist across our entire society. Most people want a good job, happy family, not to go to prison or whatever. All of these require stringent following of basic rules. If you can’t comprehend them, or don’t do them, you might lose your opportunities.
Yep. You work in a public place and tell customers they can’t do something, but then change your mind, many will start pushing the boundaries more and more. They learn that the rules are negotiable and that it’s worth them trying to bend them to see what they can get. Same with kids. Not because they’re bad people necessarily, but just because it’s natural. First it’s socks, then after a few months they’re telling the teachers to fuck off. Teachers are there to teach children, not to waste time negotiating with children about rules. You set a boundary and you stick to it.
These are largely not kids with no access to socks. It’s not different to kids untucking their shirts to try to be cool. But the headmaster said there are some kids in financial difficulty, so maybe it is worth looking at a uniform change so that school socks can also double as non-school socks. But the current uniform is the current uniform, so rules should enforced until the policy is changed, for the reason I gave in the first paragraph.
Reasonably-priced school uniforms are great. Hated them by the end of school (but then most of us also didn’t always love homework, being told to eat less sweets etc), but it makes life much easier for kids and parents alike (don’t spend time selecting clothes, don’t have to buy expensive casual clothes) and teaches you how to dress formally and helps spot truancy.
I do wish uniform could be abolished, for both kids this September it cost me £230 and that is alot for me.
I heard that high-school blazers at my school are costing £140, I just could not afford that and I’m dreading when they get to high school.
I understand about equality but jeeze I would love to just send them in their own clothes everyday.
Wow, so many people with such highly developed opinions about education.
If you all signed up to teach we would solve the recruitment crisis over night.
I’ll wait.
I listened to the head teacher on the radio the other day and he sounded fine and made a reasonable explanation of why he considers it important. And it wasn’t outlandish just plain black socks above your ankles and they school would help any that needed help with it.
People in here can’t have it both ways, rules are there for a reason its to help develop children and have boundaries that need to be enforced it helps develop respect.
I know everyone in here wants to stick it to the man, except when it’s their turn to step up to the plate and be counted
I used to teach in FE. I did English, a lot of gcse retakes and “functional skills”. So many kids I taught were perfectly bright but had never even been taught the basics because they’d been taken out of class for minor uniform violations.
I remember a girl who was 18 years old excitedly explaining that she now finally understood the difference between your and you’re. She picked it up easily and never got it wrong again.
She told me she’d missed most of English because her hair was always against uniform.
She was a hair and beauty student.
A lot of senior leadership in a lot of schools need to go have a hard think about their lives and then go fuck themselves quietly somewhere far away from everyone else.
I’m 31 and still harbour so much resentment towards my primary school and the shitty rules they enforced on us. I remember being about 6 or 7 and busting to go to toilet in the middle of class because a teacher wouldn’t let me go… years later I still feel guilty about leaving my desk to go to the toilet at work. Fuck them for that.