Because what other people do is none of our business ?
In modern society marriage isnt held in the same regard it once was so is fairly meaningless to a lot of people. What is probably more of a social stigma now is people having affairs breaking up families with young children, but even then single mums is now a social norm and single dads becoming more so.
Adultery isn’t nice to be on the receiving end of but it does not impact a person’s ability to do their job. People fall in an out of love for all sorts of reasons and intimate communications about feelings don’t mean they can’t communicate about things like facts.
I’ve had someone cheat on me and it’s not nice and I’ve also unknowingly been someone’s bit on the side. At no point did their sex life have any impact on their ability to do their job.
Our current government can’t do their job properly because the are ideologues following a failed ideology. And Johnson was a compulsive liar. We didn’t need to see that he cheated on his wife to know that when there was decades of him doing it in a professional capacity that should have been a warning.
People change through their marriage
People are also bad at communicating
Adultery is easier than divorce
Relationships are complicated. It’s obviously a shitty thing to do, but it doesn’t make the cheater a write-off in every function of their lives in perpetuity.
Who is this collective ‘we’? I dislike this trend in journalism of presuming everyone feels the same way about a given topic.
Because it’s gossip. Can’t we talk about ideas and policies instead? I want the Tories to lose because their hard-right ideas are wrong, because the public supports a properly funded welfare state and good public services, not because some of them are adulterers. The right-wing papers would love it if we could all spend our time talking about tabloid gossip instead of focusing on the ways their mates in government are corrupt and running the country into the ground.
I recently found out a good friend of mine is cool with chasing after taken women and he has many times, i haven’t done that ever. For me it has always been that yes you find people attractive and that’s fine but you kill that thought and move on. It ignites a real negative burn inside my head, it’s a low act.
We… do? Yeah there has always been people excusing it – I mean, Guinevre and Lancelot weren’t invented yesterday – but society as a whole still looks down on betrayal.
Define ‘we’ and to answer the question the UK is circling the drain so we have bigger fish to fry.
People seem to think it doesn’t matter.
Particularly when it comes to politics, showing that you’re quite happy to fuck people over in your personal life is a pretty good indicator that you’re not to be trusted in your professional life. Cheaters are by and large self-serving and only really care about their needs and how they feel.
Not to mention that in politics you’re inserting yourself in everyone else’s business on a regular basis – who can you marry? What are you looking at on the internet? Are you taking drugs? What gender are you?
Look at Boris Johnson, cheated on every woman he’s ever been with. And how trustworthy is he?
TIL our PM has cheated on her husband in past. However, that doesn’t change my opinion about her as a PM and I don’t see why anyone else would change theirs either
I mean it can be taken as an indicator of character, to be willing to lie to someone who trusts you on that level. But then, so can a lot of other things.
Also, kinda confused about Truss being pictured. I’ve heard she’s from swinger country and has a reputation to match so, unless her husband specifically isn’t a swinger too…
Without question, it’s a shameful thing to do to someone you love or have given the impression that you love, even if those feelings are no longer there. Yet, as many have pointed out, there are a litany of reasons why people are driven to commit adultery. My parents marriage imploded when I was eleven, when it was revealed that my mother had been having an affair. Yet she was driven into the arms of another man by my father’s lack of affection, his belittling of her and his occasional violent behaviour. I think this is more reflective of my parents generation, being encouraged to marry young and often ending up with unsuitable partners, not to mention their aversion to therapy, preferring to bury their unresolved issues deep. That attitude often leads to irresponsible and self-destructive behaviour. It’s of little surprise that we’ve seen an uptick in ethically non-monogamous relationships, quite often involving people who came from broken homes, as they would prefer to be partnered with people that will accept their need to have multiple sexual relationships.
Which leads quite well into our perception of leaders and their principles. John and Robert Kennedy were notorious philanderers but were both (for their time) progressive leaders that were unafraid to take on the twin-headed snake of organised crime and the corrupt financial elite, for which they paid the ultimate price. I’m sure this will garner a response from many that “JFK was buddy-buddy with the mafia and was the son of a bootlegger” and whilst it’s observable that earlier in his political career he had apparently favourable relationships with mobsters, later in his presidency he unleashed the weight of high court power against them, something that no doubt soured their relationship.
Martin Luther King Jr too would pay with his life but whilst adulterous, he was a figurehead of the civil rights movement, pushing for racial equality and class unity, an often overlooked aspect of his ideological stance.
So, whilst I think that Liz Truss or Boris Johnson being adulterous doesn’t reflect well on them as people, I only care that they fulfil their role as prime minister and instead of serving the likes of Shell or any other corporation, they serve the British public, acting in the interests of the nation and not their fabulously wealthy ‘friends’.
Is there a source that around 70% of people have cheated in their lives? That’s a depressing statistic if true. I wonder what exactly constituted cheating according to the survey, does it only refer to cheating on spouses or in any romantic relationship. And does it only count sex with someone other than one’s spouse, or also flirting, kissing, sexting etc.
Become posh people & people in the public eye have made it normal.
Back in the olden days when Boris Johnson was PM I remember regularly seeing Reddit comments saying people would never tolerate such sexual indiscretions from a female PM, that it was sexism that allowed Boris to get away with it. Now we’re here with a female PM with a similarly checkered history, who has appointed someone she allegedly had an affair with to be her chancellor and no one seems to be talking about the elephant in the room.
There’s lots of comments here saying “their private lives aren’t relevant to their ability to do their job”. Being PM isn’t like being a shelf stacker or an accountant or a footballer where their personal life is irrelevant to their work. Politicians make decisions which effect us all so wouldn’t you rather those politicians were people of high moral standings who respect others and are trustworthy? If a politician doesn’t respect their own spouse why would they respect you?
Oh, and r/ukpol mods ban people for mentioning this topic these days. FWIW.
I’ve always felt if someone will lie and cheat to their spouse, they’ll lie and cheat anyone without compunction. Not a trait I want in a politician, or in fact anyone I have to put my trust in.
I don’t care what scummy things these shit stains do in their personal lives. How about some more attention on how they’re destroying the country for the rest of us.
What consenting adults do between themselves is no issue of anyone else.
I’m more concerned that he met Diana when he was 29 and she was a 16 year old girl.
And Phillip writing love letters to Queenie when he was 18 and she was 13.
The answer is simple; because people/society increasingly *doesn’t* care about things that don’t affect them directly.
Of all Liz Truss’ many, many shortcomings, I care about her having an affair the least. Has no bearing on her ability to do her job.
It’s an issue between individuals and it’s generally unimportant to wider morality except for the effects on children. I think we understand it as a salacious private matter, borderline soap opera stuff.
There are Kennedys and Johnsons. Kennedy was a frequent adulterer and flawed in a few ways but he was not a man whose adultery was indicative of a deep vacuum of integrity.
In the case of Johnson, his adultery was part of a wider tapestry of selfishness and deceit. I believe Truss is more similar to Johnson.
Cheaters in my neck of the woods more often than not pay a social price for it, but yes there’s many in Politics such a Boris who was such a dirty prolific cheat I can’t believe the Tories let him rise as high as he did.
But I’m gonna Give Charles a free pass. Camilla was his first and only love, and denying him the right to be with her was wrong. Well except for that bit where they needed some quality DNA to save the gene pool lol. Seriously though, it was not typical cheating, but 2 people in love they tried to keep apart. Had Diana lived I think she would have fully forgiven them.
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Because what other people do is none of our business ?
In modern society marriage isnt held in the same regard it once was so is fairly meaningless to a lot of people. What is probably more of a social stigma now is people having affairs breaking up families with young children, but even then single mums is now a social norm and single dads becoming more so.
Adultery isn’t nice to be on the receiving end of but it does not impact a person’s ability to do their job. People fall in an out of love for all sorts of reasons and intimate communications about feelings don’t mean they can’t communicate about things like facts.
I’ve had someone cheat on me and it’s not nice and I’ve also unknowingly been someone’s bit on the side. At no point did their sex life have any impact on their ability to do their job.
Our current government can’t do their job properly because the are ideologues following a failed ideology. And Johnson was a compulsive liar. We didn’t need to see that he cheated on his wife to know that when there was decades of him doing it in a professional capacity that should have been a warning.
People change through their marriage
People are also bad at communicating
Adultery is easier than divorce
Relationships are complicated. It’s obviously a shitty thing to do, but it doesn’t make the cheater a write-off in every function of their lives in perpetuity.
Who is this collective ‘we’? I dislike this trend in journalism of presuming everyone feels the same way about a given topic.
Because it’s gossip. Can’t we talk about ideas and policies instead? I want the Tories to lose because their hard-right ideas are wrong, because the public supports a properly funded welfare state and good public services, not because some of them are adulterers. The right-wing papers would love it if we could all spend our time talking about tabloid gossip instead of focusing on the ways their mates in government are corrupt and running the country into the ground.
I recently found out a good friend of mine is cool with chasing after taken women and he has many times, i haven’t done that ever. For me it has always been that yes you find people attractive and that’s fine but you kill that thought and move on. It ignites a real negative burn inside my head, it’s a low act.
We… do? Yeah there has always been people excusing it – I mean, Guinevre and Lancelot weren’t invented yesterday – but society as a whole still looks down on betrayal.
Define ‘we’ and to answer the question the UK is circling the drain so we have bigger fish to fry.
People seem to think it doesn’t matter.
Particularly when it comes to politics, showing that you’re quite happy to fuck people over in your personal life is a pretty good indicator that you’re not to be trusted in your professional life. Cheaters are by and large self-serving and only really care about their needs and how they feel.
Not to mention that in politics you’re inserting yourself in everyone else’s business on a regular basis – who can you marry? What are you looking at on the internet? Are you taking drugs? What gender are you?
Look at Boris Johnson, cheated on every woman he’s ever been with. And how trustworthy is he?
TIL our PM has cheated on her husband in past. However, that doesn’t change my opinion about her as a PM and I don’t see why anyone else would change theirs either
I mean it can be taken as an indicator of character, to be willing to lie to someone who trusts you on that level. But then, so can a lot of other things.
Also, kinda confused about Truss being pictured. I’ve heard she’s from swinger country and has a reputation to match so, unless her husband specifically isn’t a swinger too…
Without question, it’s a shameful thing to do to someone you love or have given the impression that you love, even if those feelings are no longer there. Yet, as many have pointed out, there are a litany of reasons why people are driven to commit adultery. My parents marriage imploded when I was eleven, when it was revealed that my mother had been having an affair. Yet she was driven into the arms of another man by my father’s lack of affection, his belittling of her and his occasional violent behaviour. I think this is more reflective of my parents generation, being encouraged to marry young and often ending up with unsuitable partners, not to mention their aversion to therapy, preferring to bury their unresolved issues deep. That attitude often leads to irresponsible and self-destructive behaviour. It’s of little surprise that we’ve seen an uptick in ethically non-monogamous relationships, quite often involving people who came from broken homes, as they would prefer to be partnered with people that will accept their need to have multiple sexual relationships.
Which leads quite well into our perception of leaders and their principles. John and Robert Kennedy were notorious philanderers but were both (for their time) progressive leaders that were unafraid to take on the twin-headed snake of organised crime and the corrupt financial elite, for which they paid the ultimate price. I’m sure this will garner a response from many that “JFK was buddy-buddy with the mafia and was the son of a bootlegger” and whilst it’s observable that earlier in his political career he had apparently favourable relationships with mobsters, later in his presidency he unleashed the weight of high court power against them, something that no doubt soured their relationship.
Martin Luther King Jr too would pay with his life but whilst adulterous, he was a figurehead of the civil rights movement, pushing for racial equality and class unity, an often overlooked aspect of his ideological stance.
So, whilst I think that Liz Truss or Boris Johnson being adulterous doesn’t reflect well on them as people, I only care that they fulfil their role as prime minister and instead of serving the likes of Shell or any other corporation, they serve the British public, acting in the interests of the nation and not their fabulously wealthy ‘friends’.
Is there a source that around 70% of people have cheated in their lives? That’s a depressing statistic if true. I wonder what exactly constituted cheating according to the survey, does it only refer to cheating on spouses or in any romantic relationship. And does it only count sex with someone other than one’s spouse, or also flirting, kissing, sexting etc.
Become posh people & people in the public eye have made it normal.
Back in the olden days when Boris Johnson was PM I remember regularly seeing Reddit comments saying people would never tolerate such sexual indiscretions from a female PM, that it was sexism that allowed Boris to get away with it. Now we’re here with a female PM with a similarly checkered history, who has appointed someone she allegedly had an affair with to be her chancellor and no one seems to be talking about the elephant in the room.
There’s lots of comments here saying “their private lives aren’t relevant to their ability to do their job”. Being PM isn’t like being a shelf stacker or an accountant or a footballer where their personal life is irrelevant to their work. Politicians make decisions which effect us all so wouldn’t you rather those politicians were people of high moral standings who respect others and are trustworthy? If a politician doesn’t respect their own spouse why would they respect you?
Oh, and r/ukpol mods ban people for mentioning this topic these days. FWIW.
I’ve always felt if someone will lie and cheat to their spouse, they’ll lie and cheat anyone without compunction. Not a trait I want in a politician, or in fact anyone I have to put my trust in.
I don’t care what scummy things these shit stains do in their personal lives. How about some more attention on how they’re destroying the country for the rest of us.
What consenting adults do between themselves is no issue of anyone else.
I’m more concerned that he met Diana when he was 29 and she was a 16 year old girl.
And Phillip writing love letters to Queenie when he was 18 and she was 13.
The answer is simple; because people/society increasingly *doesn’t* care about things that don’t affect them directly.
Of all Liz Truss’ many, many shortcomings, I care about her having an affair the least. Has no bearing on her ability to do her job.
It’s an issue between individuals and it’s generally unimportant to wider morality except for the effects on children. I think we understand it as a salacious private matter, borderline soap opera stuff.
There are Kennedys and Johnsons. Kennedy was a frequent adulterer and flawed in a few ways but he was not a man whose adultery was indicative of a deep vacuum of integrity.
In the case of Johnson, his adultery was part of a wider tapestry of selfishness and deceit. I believe Truss is more similar to Johnson.
Cheaters in my neck of the woods more often than not pay a social price for it, but yes there’s many in Politics such a Boris who was such a dirty prolific cheat I can’t believe the Tories let him rise as high as he did.
But I’m gonna Give Charles a free pass. Camilla was his first and only love, and denying him the right to be with her was wrong. Well except for that bit where they needed some quality DNA to save the gene pool lol. Seriously though, it was not typical cheating, but 2 people in love they tried to keep apart. Had Diana lived I think she would have fully forgiven them.