Good, id rather have a country run by a disfunctional conglomerate than one party of cunts on a mission.
It would also be worth it to see Nigel F, fail to get elected again.
…. Frog faced cancerous cunt
Starmer has said it won’t be in the manifesto even if members vote for it, so I’m not holding my breath on it.
Brilliant stuff, I support the hell out of PR but Conference majority votes aren’t binding and Starmer’s already said electoral reform “isn’t my priority.” What’s the point in all this if the leadership can ignore it? Which is exactly what he’ll do.
I would fucking love this to happen, but Starmer won’t do it if Labour win power.
Presumably there are some kind of special measures involved for changing the rules by which the government itself is elected? What does that look like? Is the monarchy involved? Just curious. As much as a I would like PR, it seems weird that the party that happens to be in power can change the rules of the game unilaterally.
With coalition being a dirty word in the UK after 2010, convincing a large proportion of the public this is a good idea is a herculean task. As much as I support the change, many people will stubbornly dig their heels in and refuse to change from FPTP. It will still be a long time before PR becomes the voting method in the UK.
I’m not even sure why some people are so keen for this, in 2015 UKIP would’ve had the third most seats with PR. Essentially, First Past the Post has kept Farage OUT of the House of Commons.
>But it’s understood Keir Starmer plans to ignore the motion – one of a string that passed from members today including one calling for a £15 minimum wage.
Is he trying to be incredibly unelectable?!
The Green Party of England and Wales got 2.6% of the votes. And that’s when those voters knew it was a dead vote. And yet they get 1 seat. I.e. 0.2%.
Liberal democrats even worse, 11.5% of the vote, 1.7% of seats.
Meanwhole the Tories get 43% of the vote but 56% of the seats.
Why do people who don’t support PR hate democracy?
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How good this is depends all on how the constituencies they use for proportional representation are drawn up. I really hate the boundaries they used for the European elections which were proportional representation.
This could’ve been put through when the Tories lost their majority before the last GE. We wouldn’t be in this mess now if they had.
In 2010 we had a referendum on changing the voting system and here lies the problem … Most people are stupid or don’t care, they _chose_ first past the post and without a careful campaign they will again.
Good luck. As a kiwi, we moved to proportional representation many years ago, and while our system still has flaws I don’t think many would suggest ever going back to a “first past the post” system.
Are they going to do that just like last time? Or like the Brexit referendum? You have to admit it, Labour does not have a great track record with referendums.
Germany has PR and they run a budget surplus. It is possible to run a successful government this way
If you’re German
The current system is pretty terrible, not representative at all.
The SNP got 1.24m votes giving them 48 seats.
Lib Dem got 3.69m votes giving them 11 seats.
So a party that is not in power, with a leader that won’t put this vote winning change into his manifesto just agreed on PR.
Is a minimum representation bar included in the proposal, I.e. parties that get less than,say, 3% not allowed in parliament.
This is a corrective measures to reduce the risk of parlament excessive fragmentation.
This is used in other countries, for example Germany
About time. We need this changed immediately. I’m fed up of tories saying they have a mandate from the public when only 40% voted for them.
This has been getting so much publicity Starmer is backed into a corner on it tbh
Very encouraging. I am glad Labour seem to realise that there isn’t much point being in power for 5 years and having most of your work undone by the Tories over the next 10.
Is this in any way binding? Starmer has gone against the party sentiment before, and I don’t hate that in principle, but in this case I really hope he accepts it.
Green party – UKIP knife fights in the house of commons let’s gooooo.
The members might be for it, but the actual politicians who decide on it have a job to lose.
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Good, id rather have a country run by a disfunctional conglomerate than one party of cunts on a mission.
It would also be worth it to see Nigel F, fail to get elected again.
…. Frog faced cancerous cunt
Starmer has said it won’t be in the manifesto even if members vote for it, so I’m not holding my breath on it.
Brilliant stuff, I support the hell out of PR but Conference majority votes aren’t binding and Starmer’s already said electoral reform “isn’t my priority.” What’s the point in all this if the leadership can ignore it? Which is exactly what he’ll do.
I would fucking love this to happen, but Starmer won’t do it if Labour win power.
Presumably there are some kind of special measures involved for changing the rules by which the government itself is elected? What does that look like? Is the monarchy involved? Just curious. As much as a I would like PR, it seems weird that the party that happens to be in power can change the rules of the game unilaterally.
With coalition being a dirty word in the UK after 2010, convincing a large proportion of the public this is a good idea is a herculean task. As much as I support the change, many people will stubbornly dig their heels in and refuse to change from FPTP. It will still be a long time before PR becomes the voting method in the UK.
I’m not even sure why some people are so keen for this, in 2015 UKIP would’ve had the third most seats with PR. Essentially, First Past the Post has kept Farage OUT of the House of Commons.
>But it’s understood Keir Starmer plans to ignore the motion – one of a string that passed from members today including one calling for a £15 minimum wage.
Is he trying to be incredibly unelectable?!
The Green Party of England and Wales got 2.6% of the votes. And that’s when those voters knew it was a dead vote. And yet they get 1 seat. I.e. 0.2%.
Liberal democrats even worse, 11.5% of the vote, 1.7% of seats.
Meanwhole the Tories get 43% of the vote but 56% of the seats.
Why do people who don’t support PR hate democracy?
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How good this is depends all on how the constituencies they use for proportional representation are drawn up. I really hate the boundaries they used for the European elections which were proportional representation.
This could’ve been put through when the Tories lost their majority before the last GE. We wouldn’t be in this mess now if they had.
In 2010 we had a referendum on changing the voting system and here lies the problem … Most people are stupid or don’t care, they _chose_ first past the post and without a careful campaign they will again.
Good luck. As a kiwi, we moved to proportional representation many years ago, and while our system still has flaws I don’t think many would suggest ever going back to a “first past the post” system.
Are they going to do that just like last time? Or like the Brexit referendum? You have to admit it, Labour does not have a great track record with referendums.
Germany has PR and they run a budget surplus. It is possible to run a successful government this way
If you’re German
The current system is pretty terrible, not representative at all.
The SNP got 1.24m votes giving them 48 seats.
Lib Dem got 3.69m votes giving them 11 seats.
So a party that is not in power, with a leader that won’t put this vote winning change into his manifesto just agreed on PR.
Is a minimum representation bar included in the proposal, I.e. parties that get less than,say, 3% not allowed in parliament.
This is a corrective measures to reduce the risk of parlament excessive fragmentation.
This is used in other countries, for example Germany
About time. We need this changed immediately. I’m fed up of tories saying they have a mandate from the public when only 40% voted for them.
This has been getting so much publicity Starmer is backed into a corner on it tbh
Very encouraging. I am glad Labour seem to realise that there isn’t much point being in power for 5 years and having most of your work undone by the Tories over the next 10.
Is this in any way binding? Starmer has gone against the party sentiment before, and I don’t hate that in principle, but in this case I really hope he accepts it.
Green party – UKIP knife fights in the house of commons let’s gooooo.
The members might be for it, but the actual politicians who decide on it have a job to lose.