I mean I can agree that it’s important that we need to make sure a UI is one there all identities are recognised and can feel comfortable to live under. At the same time I feel less certain about some of the recently language to try and make it seem as if we’d need a supermajority in the referendum and/or to make massive concessions and reforms to core parts of our nation for a minority that ultimately is going to keep shifting the goalposts so there’s always “more to be done”.
Every single Unionist political party refused point blank to even attend the discussions, and then complained this morning that the event did nothing to include Unionism. A UI does *not*, in fact, ‘need’ cross-community support, because A) those are not the terms of the GFA to begin with, and B) we’re never going to get cross-community support.
Jeffery Donalson or Doug Beattie are never going to sit down to hash out a plan for a United Ireland. Any statements by southern political leaders about ‘needing cross-community support’ are simply a politically expedient way of reneging responsibility. They want to claim to want a United Ireland, but aren’t actually willing to do anything to get one.
If you cannot win a vote within the 6 counties on uniting with the remainder, how much political weight do you think you should have in a 32 county Ireland? And let’s not pretend that their culture or traditions would be under threat; there is literally zero that would be done about their culture and traditions (which are what anyway?). If they want to live in the past, then fuck ’em; let them stay there.
> warned against imposing the will of the majority on a pro-UK minority.
I mean, that’s the problem of NI. It was built as a ‘one takes all’ state. If it’s not one side imposing their will on the minority, it’ll be the other.
It’s funny how talks about reunification and the need to be inclusive is increasingly excluding the wishes of the nationalists.
I feel if we have more votes we don’t have to give one single fuck about anything else, they never did, all we have to do is win.
Compromise is a two-way street
“People who reject unity out of hand must be given a veto over unity for the sake of unity.”
Here’s the thing. It doesn’t. Don’t let them fool you into thinking it does
As an Irishman, I couldn’t give a flying fuck about unity? Seems like a massive tax on patriotism.
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I mean I can agree that it’s important that we need to make sure a UI is one there all identities are recognised and can feel comfortable to live under. At the same time I feel less certain about some of the recently language to try and make it seem as if we’d need a supermajority in the referendum and/or to make massive concessions and reforms to core parts of our nation for a minority that ultimately is going to keep shifting the goalposts so there’s always “more to be done”.
Every single Unionist political party refused point blank to even attend the discussions, and then complained this morning that the event did nothing to include Unionism. A UI does *not*, in fact, ‘need’ cross-community support, because A) those are not the terms of the GFA to begin with, and B) we’re never going to get cross-community support.
Jeffery Donalson or Doug Beattie are never going to sit down to hash out a plan for a United Ireland. Any statements by southern political leaders about ‘needing cross-community support’ are simply a politically expedient way of reneging responsibility. They want to claim to want a United Ireland, but aren’t actually willing to do anything to get one.
If you cannot win a vote within the 6 counties on uniting with the remainder, how much political weight do you think you should have in a 32 county Ireland? And let’s not pretend that their culture or traditions would be under threat; there is literally zero that would be done about their culture and traditions (which are what anyway?). If they want to live in the past, then fuck ’em; let them stay there.
> warned against imposing the will of the majority on a pro-UK minority.
I mean, that’s the problem of NI. It was built as a ‘one takes all’ state. If it’s not one side imposing their will on the minority, it’ll be the other.
It’s funny how talks about reunification and the need to be inclusive is increasingly excluding the wishes of the nationalists.
I feel if we have more votes we don’t have to give one single fuck about anything else, they never did, all we have to do is win.
Compromise is a two-way street
“People who reject unity out of hand must be given a veto over unity for the sake of unity.”
Here’s the thing. It doesn’t. Don’t let them fool you into thinking it does
As an Irishman, I couldn’t give a flying fuck about unity? Seems like a massive tax on patriotism.
Reddit edgelords of r/Ireland assemble! Smite me with your downvotes.