I thought those schools use study manuals made up by the tutors
‘Overwhelmingly’-so not all?
I pay tax but I don’t get to see the benefit from every single relief the government brings in
That’s a bad argument
Probably just wants free books for her son
I’m starting a gofundme campaign for all the school fee-paying parents, we need to get their kids to ski school in time for winter. Any donation, big or small will ensure that these poor children won’t have to spend Christmas at home, warm, fully fed and nonchalant about the economic crisis around them. If the parents have to pay for books, they may lose access to the premium restaurant that overlooks the slopes and they may be forced to use the buffet.
Please help.
If I had kids in private schools I don’t think I would assume the free books scheme applied to them. If the government hired 1000 more teachers would parents think that applied to private schools too? I don’t think they would.
Free stuff is always nicer than paying for stuff. But when you’re choosing to pay for a private school I’m sure you accept that it’s outside of the public education system. I’m sure you have different expectations about who is funding what.
Won’t somebody *pleeeeease* think about the fee-paying school childers?
If these schemes are to exist then they should be based on need
Well, when lrr from omicron persei 8 comes looking for mcneil we know who to give him
I pay my taxes from my job, give me dole money please
Consumption tax makes literally everyone a “tax payer”.
“Taxpayers” or “taxpayers money” rhetoric is so blatantly absurd and designed to breed division and establish some kind of tier system with regards to who should be listened to in society.
Guess what Jen, little Roisin buying her packet of Banshee bones and can of club orange in the shop is a fucking taxpayer too.
Populism to the comfortable classes
Isn’t the whole point of free books to help pay for books for kids *who can’t afford them?*
If you can pay fees for school, you can afford books. This is remarkably tone-deaf with how many people are struggling just to get by right now.
Wait, we have fee paying primary schools?
Even MM is like “you need to sit down and be quiet. Yes, yes, but please sit down. Leo, come get your girl”
You are paying 6 grand a year. You can afford a extra few hundred for books.
OK, I’m probably going to get it in the neck, my child goes to fee-paying secondary school, he was bullied to the point we were seriously concerned he was going to seriously hurt himself, and all the assholes who did it would be going to the local secondary school (rural).
We applied to every city school and didn’t get accepted, so he is now attending a fee-paying city school not cos I’m loaded, I’m not, but because that was the only choice remaining.
We do without he doesn’t have to worry about his mental and physical health and neither do we. Yes we are finding it very hard, esp with the current inflation and mortgage increases, we would appreciate government help, but you can’t get tax relief like 3rd level and we will most likely have a shed load of loans to cover it but fuck it, that’s the price of caring for your kids.
So, short version, not every fee attending child’s parent can actually afford it and yes some financial breaks would be appreciated.
God forbid she has to spend some of her ill gotten paycheck helping the economy.
I think the high earning and high tax payers who pay for the benefits should also get the benefits.
Should just get rid of private schools
Why should wealthy people who put their kids in the local national school get free books? Surely this scheme should be based on actual need, not just assuming that everyone in a school that charges fees is rich and everyone in a national school is poor.
I don’t have any kids, so I don’t have a dog in this race – I’m happy for my taxes to pay for the education of the next generation, but I just don’t think this is a fair way to distribute it.
Jennifer Carroll MacNeil is just doing her job as a TD – representing the interests of her voters, nothing wrong with that. Dublin people get stuck with huge extra costs for everything – housing, the local property tax, schools, parking, etc, whether or not they can afford it, and it’s not fair. They should base tax on actual income, not notional wealth (eg the ludicrous market value of an ordinary house).
In an effort to make the country more fair, Finland made private schools illegal (recognising education as a basic human right and so not appropriate to dole out to whoever has the most cash) and in so doing, they almost overnight shot to the top of international educational charts.
Without the presence of private schools, education as a whole benefits enormously.
Being a large social experiment of sorts, it’s hard to predict exactly why this happened but a few strong contendors are; when the very wealthy (and government representatives) know they will be sending their children to ‘public’ schools, they care an awful lot more that public schools are good; children across the country suddenly feel they have as much chance of success as everyone else and so apply themselves much harder, school resources and funding have to be set to a higher minimum and so a lot of rural/poorer schools suddenly get a boon in teachers and material resources, etc.
Every time a conversation arises around private schools, the very first question we should all be asking – not to ourselves, but to every radio show and every politician – why not pursue the Finnish model which proved so overwhelmingly successful?
Ahh yes the party for the rich, showing their true colours again
So fee-paying schools shouldn’t be fee-paying then… loved her logic🤷🏻♂️
of course they should get the free books. They pay tax don’t they? it’s stupid that this is even up for debate.
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I thought those schools use study manuals made up by the tutors
‘Overwhelmingly’-so not all?
I pay tax but I don’t get to see the benefit from every single relief the government brings in
That’s a bad argument
Probably just wants free books for her son
I’m starting a gofundme campaign for all the school fee-paying parents, we need to get their kids to ski school in time for winter. Any donation, big or small will ensure that these poor children won’t have to spend Christmas at home, warm, fully fed and nonchalant about the economic crisis around them. If the parents have to pay for books, they may lose access to the premium restaurant that overlooks the slopes and they may be forced to use the buffet.
Please help.
If I had kids in private schools I don’t think I would assume the free books scheme applied to them. If the government hired 1000 more teachers would parents think that applied to private schools too? I don’t think they would.
Free stuff is always nicer than paying for stuff. But when you’re choosing to pay for a private school I’m sure you accept that it’s outside of the public education system. I’m sure you have different expectations about who is funding what.
Won’t somebody *pleeeeease* think about the fee-paying school childers?
If these schemes are to exist then they should be based on need
Well, when lrr from omicron persei 8 comes looking for mcneil we know who to give him
I pay my taxes from my job, give me dole money please
Consumption tax makes literally everyone a “tax payer”.
“Taxpayers” or “taxpayers money” rhetoric is so blatantly absurd and designed to breed division and establish some kind of tier system with regards to who should be listened to in society.
Guess what Jen, little Roisin buying her packet of Banshee bones and can of club orange in the shop is a fucking taxpayer too.
Populism to the comfortable classes
Isn’t the whole point of free books to help pay for books for kids *who can’t afford them?*
If you can pay fees for school, you can afford books. This is remarkably tone-deaf with how many people are struggling just to get by right now.
Wait, we have fee paying primary schools?
Even MM is like “you need to sit down and be quiet. Yes, yes, but please sit down. Leo, come get your girl”
You are paying 6 grand a year. You can afford a extra few hundred for books.
OK, I’m probably going to get it in the neck, my child goes to fee-paying secondary school, he was bullied to the point we were seriously concerned he was going to seriously hurt himself, and all the assholes who did it would be going to the local secondary school (rural).
We applied to every city school and didn’t get accepted, so he is now attending a fee-paying city school not cos I’m loaded, I’m not, but because that was the only choice remaining.
We do without he doesn’t have to worry about his mental and physical health and neither do we. Yes we are finding it very hard, esp with the current inflation and mortgage increases, we would appreciate government help, but you can’t get tax relief like 3rd level and we will most likely have a shed load of loans to cover it but fuck it, that’s the price of caring for your kids.
So, short version, not every fee attending child’s parent can actually afford it and yes some financial breaks would be appreciated.
God forbid she has to spend some of her ill gotten paycheck helping the economy.
I think the high earning and high tax payers who pay for the benefits should also get the benefits.
Should just get rid of private schools
Why should wealthy people who put their kids in the local national school get free books? Surely this scheme should be based on actual need, not just assuming that everyone in a school that charges fees is rich and everyone in a national school is poor.
I don’t have any kids, so I don’t have a dog in this race – I’m happy for my taxes to pay for the education of the next generation, but I just don’t think this is a fair way to distribute it.
Jennifer Carroll MacNeil is just doing her job as a TD – representing the interests of her voters, nothing wrong with that. Dublin people get stuck with huge extra costs for everything – housing, the local property tax, schools, parking, etc, whether or not they can afford it, and it’s not fair. They should base tax on actual income, not notional wealth (eg the ludicrous market value of an ordinary house).
In an effort to make the country more fair, Finland made private schools illegal (recognising education as a basic human right and so not appropriate to dole out to whoever has the most cash) and in so doing, they almost overnight shot to the top of international educational charts.
Without the presence of private schools, education as a whole benefits enormously.
Being a large social experiment of sorts, it’s hard to predict exactly why this happened but a few strong contendors are; when the very wealthy (and government representatives) know they will be sending their children to ‘public’ schools, they care an awful lot more that public schools are good; children across the country suddenly feel they have as much chance of success as everyone else and so apply themselves much harder, school resources and funding have to be set to a higher minimum and so a lot of rural/poorer schools suddenly get a boon in teachers and material resources, etc.
Every time a conversation arises around private schools, the very first question we should all be asking – not to ourselves, but to every radio show and every politician – why not pursue the Finnish model which proved so overwhelmingly successful?
Ahh yes the party for the rich, showing their true colours again
So fee-paying schools shouldn’t be fee-paying then… loved her logic🤷🏻♂️
of course they should get the free books. They pay tax don’t they? it’s stupid that this is even up for debate.
These sorts of benefits should go to everyone.