I predict a run on camping gas stoves, slow cookers and microwaves.
Thatll be yet another great opportunity for the home heating oil industry to up their prices yet again
During the first cold snap Putin will shut off the gas to Europe, it’s virtually guaranteed at this point. Zero idea how we’ll handle it tbh.
God dammit. I feel like I’ve been ranting about this on Reddit for ages. This is something that both parties have seemingly ignored. Windfall taxes, energy price caps, whatever…all that is just focused on *financing* the problem. But there’s a very real *physics* issue here.
So far, there’s been little to no discussion about how we’re going to actually acquire molecules for the winter. By going for a per-unit cap (which I think is a horrible move), instead of a flat subsidy, we’ve not actually built an economic incentive to reduce demand.
We are being so badly failed by our politicians. Any answers to the energy crisis in the short term that don’t include the words “supply” or “demand” are fundamentally pencil-pushing. It doesn’t matter who pays for it *if we don’t have the molecules to buy*.
dear everyone, go get a gas bottle heater. its £37 per bottle (u need to scrap each bottle cuz its £47 to refill it) and £140 for a heater and the £37 15kg bottle will last over 2 months of decent use
We bought a few electric heaters back in summer as a just in case…. looks like it might have been a good idea
At 1410 today, 3rd Oct 2022… 55.7% of our electricity is produced by burning gas.
Not enough gas over winter will suck, as that means reduced electricity production.
My mate has a 19th century wood burner in his little cottage. It’s so cozy. How I envy him right now. IIRC they were trying to ban woodburners a while ago. Not that he would have heeded that ban.
This country is fucked
Get out while you can as it’s only going to get worse
If there’s electricity shortages how will shop alarms still operate? Not endorseing robbery, but will effect shops etc?
And what the actual F is the government doing about it? Nothing from my perspective, they have been spending too much time looking in or listening to lobbyists than actually leading the country.
Liz Truss stated there was no risk of electricity rationing this winter. She’s lying. I work in the industry and my team and I have all undertaken extra training to manage rolling outages due to the very serious risk it comes into force.
The Tory voters like to talk of the golden years of their youth. Conservatives doing a superb job bringing that back. Strikes, now black outs, Truss even tried to recreate black Wednesday.
Truly a talented party
But Liz said we’d be fine! And she never says something and then quickly has to undo it due to reality setting in!
Really need the wind to start blowing.. up to 35% of our electricity grid peak demand can be supplied from wind.
Power down Sundays. Leave public gathering spots open. Encourage the nation to come to together and socialise. Happy hour all day. Free cinema tickets. Free entry to leisure centres.
Who got rid of that big gas storage place to save a buck, want it the Tories? How much has been wasted bit the things the count scrapped.
Check out how much storage each country in Europe has, you’ll have to scroll down to find us.
Can’t wait to hear how Liz Truss deals with this one, maybe turn off all gas supplies to the poor so people with private pools can heat them over winter?
The tories let gas storage companies go bankrupt… same with solar power companies years ago….
“Closure of UK’s largest gas storage site ‘could mean volatile prices’” 5 years ago
can we invest in more renewables now that shitty fuels are scratching the pockets of the elite?
Looks like hot water bottles and many layers.
I always pour the warm water back into the kettle, and it doesn’t take much energy to heat it back up.
Why are we not building battery storage to capture the ‘excess generation’ from renewables? We don’t even need to use things like lithium batteries – look at what Finland have been doing with sand batteries. Can the stored heat (approx 500°C) be used to generate steam to run turbines? And things like anaerobic digesters to generate methane from food waste, animal manure, etc? Helps to reduce what goes to landfill, stops manure pollution going into water sources (especially chicken manure in the Wye Valley, for example), produces solid fertiliser for agricultural use (which again limits runoff)… We could do a lot more than we are currently.
You know, it’s getting to the point that all bad news I see I just respond.
“Sure. Why not”.
Tell you what guys, you can all come down my yard right and we’ll probs have a few gas engineers kicking about between us by the time everyone gets round here and gets settled. We’ll go with the gas lads, and like, fuck with a load of gas pipe somewhere and make sure we all get our gas sorted so they can’t throttle us.
Then the lot of us can go down London cause obvs I’m up North we can all have a banging curry though while we’re up here, and then we’ll go London we’ll go into Parliament and drag everyone outside into the street. I say drag, but we’ll make a right proper class show of it all, no violence nothing silly. We’ll find some big open foyer somewhere outside where everyone can see, and we’ll ask them all why, why like actually for real, do they think they can fuck us like they are doing and not have a serious problem on their hands?
I remember reading about the closure of the UK’s largest gas storage facility back in 2017. I remember *knowing* it was a terribly short sighted decision that would leave us strategically vulnerable.
It was obvious that relations with Russia and the EU would only get worse. It was obvious we would need gas storage more than ever.
It’s the same as there being no spare intensive care beds when Covid hit. The Tories believe the government should only provide enough to scrape by during a normal situation.
They scoff at the idea of being prepared for a crisis, because why spend resources on something that isn’t going to be immediately visible and win you votes?
I wish journalists would ask our leaders why we are *always* worse prepared than our peers in Europe. Every crisis hits us harder. We are entrusting major strategic decisions with incompetent self-serving morons that can’t see past the end of their own nose.
We laugh at Russia failing in Ukraine, but our weaknesses are the same. The needs of the few are prioritised at the expense of the many. Oligarchs and corrupt positions are stripping our nation of anything valuable and lining their pockets, while pushing the agenda that we remain superior because of our history and national identity.
This would explain why this week Amazon has been flooded with tens of thousands of electric blankets, hot water bottles and battery banks from unknown brands, at massively inflated prices.
If you’re buying any of this stuff check the price history on CamelCamelCamel first as you’re likely paying 4-5x the normal price, and will be able to get them cheaper elsewhere.
Last week a Prof in Economics at Oxford was speaking at a conference and said that there would probably be a blackouts and they will probably happen in February on a Tuesday. I thought that was terrifyingly specific.
I literally programme the sequence that enables load shedding. Trust me, the feature exists.
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I predict a run on camping gas stoves, slow cookers and microwaves.
Thatll be yet another great opportunity for the home heating oil industry to up their prices yet again
During the first cold snap Putin will shut off the gas to Europe, it’s virtually guaranteed at this point. Zero idea how we’ll handle it tbh.
God dammit. I feel like I’ve been ranting about this on Reddit for ages. This is something that both parties have seemingly ignored. Windfall taxes, energy price caps, whatever…all that is just focused on *financing* the problem. But there’s a very real *physics* issue here.
So far, there’s been little to no discussion about how we’re going to actually acquire molecules for the winter. By going for a per-unit cap (which I think is a horrible move), instead of a flat subsidy, we’ve not actually built an economic incentive to reduce demand.
We are being so badly failed by our politicians. Any answers to the energy crisis in the short term that don’t include the words “supply” or “demand” are fundamentally pencil-pushing. It doesn’t matter who pays for it *if we don’t have the molecules to buy*.
dear everyone, go get a gas bottle heater. its £37 per bottle (u need to scrap each bottle cuz its £47 to refill it) and £140 for a heater and the £37 15kg bottle will last over 2 months of decent use
We bought a few electric heaters back in summer as a just in case…. looks like it might have been a good idea
At 1410 today, 3rd Oct 2022… 55.7% of our electricity is produced by burning gas.
Not enough gas over winter will suck, as that means reduced electricity production.
My mate has a 19th century wood burner in his little cottage. It’s so cozy. How I envy him right now. IIRC they were trying to ban woodburners a while ago. Not that he would have heeded that ban.
This country is fucked
Get out while you can as it’s only going to get worse
If there’s electricity shortages how will shop alarms still operate? Not endorseing robbery, but will effect shops etc?
And what the actual F is the government doing about it? Nothing from my perspective, they have been spending too much time looking in or listening to lobbyists than actually leading the country.
Liz Truss stated there was no risk of electricity rationing this winter. She’s lying. I work in the industry and my team and I have all undertaken extra training to manage rolling outages due to the very serious risk it comes into force.
The Tory voters like to talk of the golden years of their youth. Conservatives doing a superb job bringing that back. Strikes, now black outs, Truss even tried to recreate black Wednesday.
Truly a talented party
But Liz said we’d be fine! And she never says something and then quickly has to undo it due to reality setting in!
Really need the wind to start blowing.. up to 35% of our electricity grid peak demand can be supplied from wind.
http://www.gridwatch.co.uk
Power down Sundays. Leave public gathering spots open. Encourage the nation to come to together and socialise. Happy hour all day. Free cinema tickets. Free entry to leisure centres.
Who got rid of that big gas storage place to save a buck, want it the Tories? How much has been wasted bit the things the count scrapped.
Check out how much storage each country in Europe has, you’ll have to scroll down to find us.
Can’t wait to hear how Liz Truss deals with this one, maybe turn off all gas supplies to the poor so people with private pools can heat them over winter?
The tories let gas storage companies go bankrupt… same with solar power companies years ago….
“Closure of UK’s largest gas storage site ‘could mean volatile prices’” 5 years ago
[https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/20/uk-gas-storage-prices-rough-british-gas-centrica](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/20/uk-gas-storage-prices-rough-british-gas-centrica)
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/15/government-blamed-as-third-uk-solar-power-installer-goes-bust
“Government blamed as third UK solar power installer goes bust” 6 years ago
**stop voting fucking tories….**
can we invest in more renewables now that shitty fuels are scratching the pockets of the elite?
Looks like hot water bottles and many layers.
I always pour the warm water back into the kettle, and it doesn’t take much energy to heat it back up.
Why are we not building battery storage to capture the ‘excess generation’ from renewables? We don’t even need to use things like lithium batteries – look at what Finland have been doing with sand batteries. Can the stored heat (approx 500°C) be used to generate steam to run turbines? And things like anaerobic digesters to generate methane from food waste, animal manure, etc? Helps to reduce what goes to landfill, stops manure pollution going into water sources (especially chicken manure in the Wye Valley, for example), produces solid fertiliser for agricultural use (which again limits runoff)… We could do a lot more than we are currently.
You know, it’s getting to the point that all bad news I see I just respond.
“Sure. Why not”.
Tell you what guys, you can all come down my yard right and we’ll probs have a few gas engineers kicking about between us by the time everyone gets round here and gets settled. We’ll go with the gas lads, and like, fuck with a load of gas pipe somewhere and make sure we all get our gas sorted so they can’t throttle us.
Then the lot of us can go down London cause obvs I’m up North we can all have a banging curry though while we’re up here, and then we’ll go London we’ll go into Parliament and drag everyone outside into the street. I say drag, but we’ll make a right proper class show of it all, no violence nothing silly. We’ll find some big open foyer somewhere outside where everyone can see, and we’ll ask them all why, why like actually for real, do they think they can fuck us like they are doing and not have a serious problem on their hands?
I remember reading about the closure of the UK’s largest gas storage facility back in 2017. I remember *knowing* it was a terribly short sighted decision that would leave us strategically vulnerable.
It was obvious that relations with Russia and the EU would only get worse. It was obvious we would need gas storage more than ever.
It’s the same as there being no spare intensive care beds when Covid hit. The Tories believe the government should only provide enough to scrape by during a normal situation.
They scoff at the idea of being prepared for a crisis, because why spend resources on something that isn’t going to be immediately visible and win you votes?
I wish journalists would ask our leaders why we are *always* worse prepared than our peers in Europe. Every crisis hits us harder. We are entrusting major strategic decisions with incompetent self-serving morons that can’t see past the end of their own nose.
We laugh at Russia failing in Ukraine, but our weaknesses are the same. The needs of the few are prioritised at the expense of the many. Oligarchs and corrupt positions are stripping our nation of anything valuable and lining their pockets, while pushing the agenda that we remain superior because of our history and national identity.
This would explain why this week Amazon has been flooded with tens of thousands of electric blankets, hot water bottles and battery banks from unknown brands, at massively inflated prices.
If you’re buying any of this stuff check the price history on CamelCamelCamel first as you’re likely paying 4-5x the normal price, and will be able to get them cheaper elsewhere.
Last week a Prof in Economics at Oxford was speaking at a conference and said that there would probably be a blackouts and they will probably happen in February on a Tuesday. I thought that was terrifyingly specific.
I literally programme the sequence that enables load shedding. Trust me, the feature exists.
Have a read of this, looks rather scary.
https://stocks.apple.com/AhCGrUWdCSpGDktcB5yKqqw
If anyone votes tories again in their life you’re a fucking moron
If only we could harvest all the hot air being created in Birmingham!