Great to see. Corrupt planning decisions have ruined the city and thankfully these were caught before building commenced.
In the middle of a housing crisis when we need every single one of these to be built! What a tragic waste.
These applications were supposed to be fast tracked, that’s the process we need to get building done in this country and pure nimbyism has gotten a huge break thanks to corruption in our planners.
This is shameful on all of Ireland – thousands of new homes that now will never get built.
Build to rent apartments are not homes..
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.
.
Edit:
I lived in a build to rent for 3 years, extortionate rent, no other viable options.
Growing up my idea of a home was a place you settled in, long term, put down roots, raise family, get involved in the community. A place you can afford, a place you actually want to live in. Ideally a house but understand that includes apartments now. Build to rent is a stop gap in my opinion, a very expensive and unsustainable one until someone buys a home or moves on.
Yes, they fill a void in a crippled housing system but they don’t fit my criteria of what a home is and I know a lot of people living in them who can’t wait to get out of them and get their own home.
Be honest, when you were growing up, did you honestly think your home was going to be a place you rented from a cuckoo fund for €2.5k a month? No, me neither ✌️
NIMBYism. Absolutely trecherous, as well as being shotgunned because of revelations on a certain website which just takes things from the public record and sensationalises them.
I get that there is a major housing crisis but at the same time you the last thing you want to do is buy a dodgy house.
Who knows what corners have been cut if there is a criminal investigation against the developers.
I give up seriously. The b**** in power just don’t want to solve the situation.
As someone who works on similar projects as these, it is just assumed that every application we put in will end up in Judicial review, it’s even put into the project program.
No matter what is done, we know that locals will object. NIMBY-ism alive and well. Go into any coffee shop in BlackRock, Monkstown or Ranelagh and you’re guaranteed to hear some well-to-do talking about *”Oh, how terrible it is for the poor young people!”* But they’ll still object to anything and everything in a 5km radius of their house.
*”Build apartments in Finglas or Ballymun, couldnt be having dirty apartment dwellers disturbing poor Tarquin in his period 5 bed in BlackRock.!”*
I live in the area in Blackrock where one of the developments was planned. There’s actually no one the development could have bothered. It’s on a piece of land that’s completely under utilised, along the main road, and there are high-rise office buildings 100m down the road.
I read in [another article](https://www.irishtimes.com/business/construction/residents-oppose-plan-for-493-apartment-scheme-in-blackrock-1.4811169) that residents oppose the plan because it’s “a high-rise development with a significant number of studio and one-bed apartments and is not conducive to the building of a stable long-term community in the area” and will “fundamentally change the social fabric of this area”. These complains are not even about urbanism anymore, it’s social exclusion.
So how much money is made when someone applies for planning ?
How many people need to be paid, to look at applications ?
Then if it’s blocked and people need to reapply does that mean they get paid twice ?
Now I know the NIMBY’s like their house prices too, though am sure there is money being made from other organizations, as well and every time something is blocked that means either give up, or spend more money on planning something else right ?
What is so, so infuriating about this case is that I and many others on this very forum (and elsewhere) spent *years* pointing out that ABP’s pattern of decision making was bizarre and seemed to be indicative of corruption in some form or other, and anyone who did was dismissed as a conspiracy theorist.
For a country with such a long, extremely open history of corruption, we as a society have somehow convinced ourselves that this kind of thing is something that only happened in Old Ireland or only happens in Other, Backwards Countries. Point out suspicious activity in Ireland and you’ll very often be dismissed as a crank, until eventually direct evidence comes out years later.
This mindset needs to change if we’re to ever rid ourselves of our corruption culture.
Oh well, back sleep…
You can thank FG for this. They appointed Hyde to An bord pleannala.
Planning approvals should not be decided by a fucking court.
While it is very disappointing to see it cancelled, it was the only choice. They should reapply and get it fairly.
At this point I think it would be easiest to just built s whole city in the middle of nowhere so no one can lodge a complaint 😅
Same deal everytime. I’m really surprised they build any new homes at all in this country these days
I am shocked……….
Does that surprise anyone?
Is it possible to get the names of the locals who opposed the planning approval? Is it public record or anything like that?
>Paul Hyde has always denied any wrongdoing when facing claims of impropriety in his work.
He was working two jobs, one job was applying for planning and the other job was approving the same planning application. I’m sure The Simpsons have a character that can summarise this.
It is heartbreaking to see these developments not go ahead, especially now with our housing shortage but we need to follow the correct procedures on everything.
Fucking selfish evil objectors strike again.
We will never get out of the housing debacle, are we? Pricks
At this stage a good enough reason to stop development seems to be “Thank you for your interest in our area, but we’d simply rather not”. I’ve said it before, but one of the more unsavoury aspects of human nature is ‘I got mine, pull the ladder up’.
Our planning system is wildly flawed
“The planning authority is no longer contesting judicial review cases that were taken against fast-track approval it gave for large apartment schemes in Killiney, Blackrock and Milltown. ABP’s move “followed the receipt and consideration by An Bord Pleanála of legal advice from its legal agents”, the body said in response to questions.
“This responds to amended grounds lodged in those cases that the involvement of a board member in the decision-making in the cases raised questions of objective bias due to a familial connection between that board member and a person involved in the planning application process.””
It does not say the locals objected but that the application was pulled based on “legal advice from An Bord Pleanála legal agents”. Not that it matters much, its still a backwards country trying its best NOT to build any new homes.
Lads, these people from An Bord Pleanala are a bunch of cunts. South Dublin barely gets flat projects approved, whereas in north Dublin every fucking alley gets immediate approval.
Have ye seen what is happening in the Regency hotel?
The owner sold the hotel’s parking space and they are building a 5 storey building for the built-to-rent scheme. Now, the hotel has no parking space anymore and the cars are left in a cul de sac. Residents can barely get home in the end of the road due to the blocking traffic, especially during the weekends.
Like, how this shit gets approved and south Dublin is all like “not conducive of building a stable long-term community” ffs this is utterly ridiculous
95% of the commenters here: NIMBYism is selfish! Greedy! Awful! this is terrible news!
Also 95% of the commenters here: vulture funds are selfish! Greedy! Awful! this is fantastic news!
It really just depends on how the headline frames the story.
Why rich wankers who wants to shut down any development project have a bigger voice/say in this than the rest of us (who are larger in number than the rich bastards)? Why can’t they suck it up for once?
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Great to see. Corrupt planning decisions have ruined the city and thankfully these were caught before building commenced.
In the middle of a housing crisis when we need every single one of these to be built! What a tragic waste.
These applications were supposed to be fast tracked, that’s the process we need to get building done in this country and pure nimbyism has gotten a huge break thanks to corruption in our planners.
This is shameful on all of Ireland – thousands of new homes that now will never get built.
Build to rent apartments are not homes..
.
.
.
Edit:
I lived in a build to rent for 3 years, extortionate rent, no other viable options.
Growing up my idea of a home was a place you settled in, long term, put down roots, raise family, get involved in the community. A place you can afford, a place you actually want to live in. Ideally a house but understand that includes apartments now. Build to rent is a stop gap in my opinion, a very expensive and unsustainable one until someone buys a home or moves on.
Yes, they fill a void in a crippled housing system but they don’t fit my criteria of what a home is and I know a lot of people living in them who can’t wait to get out of them and get their own home.
Be honest, when you were growing up, did you honestly think your home was going to be a place you rented from a cuckoo fund for €2.5k a month? No, me neither ✌️
NIMBYism. Absolutely trecherous, as well as being shotgunned because of revelations on a certain website which just takes things from the public record and sensationalises them.
I get that there is a major housing crisis but at the same time you the last thing you want to do is buy a dodgy house.
Who knows what corners have been cut if there is a criminal investigation against the developers.
I give up seriously. The b**** in power just don’t want to solve the situation.
As someone who works on similar projects as these, it is just assumed that every application we put in will end up in Judicial review, it’s even put into the project program.
No matter what is done, we know that locals will object. NIMBY-ism alive and well. Go into any coffee shop in BlackRock, Monkstown or Ranelagh and you’re guaranteed to hear some well-to-do talking about *”Oh, how terrible it is for the poor young people!”* But they’ll still object to anything and everything in a 5km radius of their house.
*”Build apartments in Finglas or Ballymun, couldnt be having dirty apartment dwellers disturbing poor Tarquin in his period 5 bed in BlackRock.!”*
I live in the area in Blackrock where one of the developments was planned. There’s actually no one the development could have bothered. It’s on a piece of land that’s completely under utilised, along the main road, and there are high-rise office buildings 100m down the road.
I read in [another article](https://www.irishtimes.com/business/construction/residents-oppose-plan-for-493-apartment-scheme-in-blackrock-1.4811169) that residents oppose the plan because it’s “a high-rise development with a significant number of studio and one-bed apartments and is not conducive to the building of a stable long-term community in the area” and will “fundamentally change the social fabric of this area”. These complains are not even about urbanism anymore, it’s social exclusion.
So how much money is made when someone applies for planning ?
How many people need to be paid, to look at applications ?
Then if it’s blocked and people need to reapply does that mean they get paid twice ?
Now I know the NIMBY’s like their house prices too, though am sure there is money being made from other organizations, as well and every time something is blocked that means either give up, or spend more money on planning something else right ?
What is so, so infuriating about this case is that I and many others on this very forum (and elsewhere) spent *years* pointing out that ABP’s pattern of decision making was bizarre and seemed to be indicative of corruption in some form or other, and anyone who did was dismissed as a conspiracy theorist.
For a country with such a long, extremely open history of corruption, we as a society have somehow convinced ourselves that this kind of thing is something that only happened in Old Ireland or only happens in Other, Backwards Countries. Point out suspicious activity in Ireland and you’ll very often be dismissed as a crank, until eventually direct evidence comes out years later.
This mindset needs to change if we’re to ever rid ourselves of our corruption culture.
Oh well, back sleep…
You can thank FG for this. They appointed Hyde to An bord pleannala.
Planning approvals should not be decided by a fucking court.
While it is very disappointing to see it cancelled, it was the only choice. They should reapply and get it fairly.
At this point I think it would be easiest to just built s whole city in the middle of nowhere so no one can lodge a complaint 😅
Same deal everytime. I’m really surprised they build any new homes at all in this country these days
I am shocked……….
Does that surprise anyone?
Is it possible to get the names of the locals who opposed the planning approval? Is it public record or anything like that?
>Paul Hyde has always denied any wrongdoing when facing claims of impropriety in his work.
He was working two jobs, one job was applying for planning and the other job was approving the same planning application. I’m sure The Simpsons have a character that can summarise this.
It is heartbreaking to see these developments not go ahead, especially now with our housing shortage but we need to follow the correct procedures on everything.
Fucking selfish evil objectors strike again.
We will never get out of the housing debacle, are we? Pricks
At this stage a good enough reason to stop development seems to be “Thank you for your interest in our area, but we’d simply rather not”. I’ve said it before, but one of the more unsavoury aspects of human nature is ‘I got mine, pull the ladder up’.
Our planning system is wildly flawed
“The planning authority is no longer contesting judicial review cases that were taken against fast-track approval it gave for large apartment schemes in Killiney, Blackrock and Milltown. ABP’s move “followed the receipt and consideration by An Bord Pleanála of legal advice from its legal agents”, the body said in response to questions.
“This responds to amended grounds lodged in those cases that the involvement of a board member in the decision-making in the cases raised questions of objective bias due to a familial connection between that board member and a person involved in the planning application process.””
It does not say the locals objected but that the application was pulled based on “legal advice from An Bord Pleanála legal agents”. Not that it matters much, its still a backwards country trying its best NOT to build any new homes.
Lads, these people from An Bord Pleanala are a bunch of cunts. South Dublin barely gets flat projects approved, whereas in north Dublin every fucking alley gets immediate approval.
Have ye seen what is happening in the Regency hotel?
The owner sold the hotel’s parking space and they are building a 5 storey building for the built-to-rent scheme. Now, the hotel has no parking space anymore and the cars are left in a cul de sac. Residents can barely get home in the end of the road due to the blocking traffic, especially during the weekends.
Like, how this shit gets approved and south Dublin is all like “not conducive of building a stable long-term community” ffs this is utterly ridiculous
95% of the commenters here: NIMBYism is selfish! Greedy! Awful! this is terrible news!
Also 95% of the commenters here: vulture funds are selfish! Greedy! Awful! this is fantastic news!
It really just depends on how the headline frames the story.
Why rich wankers who wants to shut down any development project have a bigger voice/say in this than the rest of us (who are larger in number than the rich bastards)? Why can’t they suck it up for once?