Be interesting to see how the defence tries to discredit this particular piece of evidence.
Lot of people saying she must be innocent. How are you going to spin this one, folks?
Very interesting that they’ve got a defence opening speech following the prosecution opening speech. I know they changed the law a few years to allow that, but first time I’m personally aware of it happening. Unless anyone else knows any examples?
Can fully see the justification given the length of the trial.
The prosecution do seem to be piling the evidence on here. One of my kids was born in that hospital at the time this was all going on so it’s all pretty close to my heart.
A reminder to be careful what you say about the trial. Too much speculation could cause the trail to collapse.
This is terrible reporting. I think she is guilty, but she also wrote notes saying she was innocent, but sky have chosen to not disclose that. BBC report:
> On one green post it note – which was shown to the court – she had written: “I don’t deserve to live. I killed them on purpose because I’m not good enough to care for them.”
Why would you kill them because you ‘weren’t good enough’?
Bizarre the defence is going for not guilty rather than pleading mental health issues.
I had a similar initially reaction to most in this thread when I first read the headline but it’s important to not that she clearly wrote this after she was accused and also include many protestations of innocence.
I can’t imagine being accused of murder is good for the psyche, especially in a field where mistakes incompetence can lead to death.
In their full context it is possible that these notes will come across as her excessively doubting herself, rather than what they are presented as here.
This whole thing is incredibly scary. My baby was recently born at 25 weeks and is in NICU at the moment. I’m amazed anybody is ever left alone with the babies as there is usually multiple babies in a room.
Starting to think she might be a little off you know
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>The court heard the passages were written on post-it notes, and included phrases such as “what allegations have been made and by who? Do they have written evidence to support their comments?
If this happened in a movie it would be laughed at for being too on-the-nose and ironic.
I think we’ve got a candidate to travel back in time to deal with Baby Hitler, everyone.
The post-it notes are a clear logic gate process that some actors use when rehearsing.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the stood there in her room just going over the post-it notes to bolster her lying abilities.
You know in Austin Powers where he keeps denying he bought the penis pump enlarger, and then they bring up his book titled “my Swedish made penis enlarger pump, this kind of thing is my bag baby”. This feels kind of like that moment for the defence here.
>The nurse was also questioned by police about why she had sent a sympathy card to the baby’s parents.
She was either trying to remove blame from her, or she had formed an attachment to the child that died and was trying to give the parents some comfort
The number of people in this thread who seem incapable of critical thought or of entertaining possibilities that didn’t spring immediately to mind is crazy. And a jury is drawn from roughly the same demographic.
From what I can see from the comments on these Lucy Letby posts, a disproportionate amount of “benefit of the doubt” is afforded to you if you are;
1. white,
2. a female – at least moderately attractive
3. a nurse or member of a care profession
I’m interested to understand the psychology behind this.
Despite the notes, it literally says it in the article that she was caught by a doctor dislodging a baby’s breathing tube
Everyone here seems to be desperate for her to be innocent for some reason. I mean it’s pretty fucking obvious that she’s done it. The defence’s arguments so far is essentially “well you can’t be sure”.
Curious about what safeguards were in place regarding nurses/doctors such as this?
When I first heard of this, frankly terrifying, case a year ago or something, I got the impression it was at least cut and dry.
I’m getting the feeling now that there may not be any actual evidence? Whatever happens, I think it’s probably in everyone’s interests she doesn’t work with anyone under the age of 18 again.
If she is found guilty then do we think this is whole life order territory?
This whole trial is horrific. I struggle even reading about it if I’m honest. Having been a parent in a NICU myself I just cannot imagine how the parents and other staff are feeling. The nurses who cared for my child went above and beyond and he wouldn’t be here without each of them. He’s now 21 and just joined the RAF and I couldn’t be more proud.
This case is awful. Part of me hopes it’s not true, but it seems there is a lot of evidence to get through. Let’s hope whatever the outcome it’s the right one.
Holy shit this story gives me a hard core case of mean world syndrome
Whether or not she’s guilty, what these notes are the clearest evidence of, in my mind, is someone suffering a serious mental breakdown. Maybe these are related to her deliberately killing those patients, maybe she’s completely innocent and started going insane because of the accusations, maybe she suffered a breakdown and committed manslaughter because she was in too much distress to focus properly and provide care. All of these are still possible.
But people being so willing to condemn her reveal themselves as not understanding what it feels like to be at the bottom of a downward spiral.
Female incel murdered 7 babies out of envy for the parents and not being able to find a partner of her own
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Be interesting to see how the defence tries to discredit this particular piece of evidence.
Lot of people saying she must be innocent. How are you going to spin this one, folks?
Very interesting that they’ve got a defence opening speech following the prosecution opening speech. I know they changed the law a few years to allow that, but first time I’m personally aware of it happening. Unless anyone else knows any examples?
Can fully see the justification given the length of the trial.
The prosecution do seem to be piling the evidence on here. One of my kids was born in that hospital at the time this was all going on so it’s all pretty close to my heart.
A reminder to be careful what you say about the trial. Too much speculation could cause the trail to collapse.
This is terrible reporting. I think she is guilty, but she also wrote notes saying she was innocent, but sky have chosen to not disclose that. BBC report:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-63238989
> On one green post it note – which was shown to the court – she had written: “I don’t deserve to live. I killed them on purpose because I’m not good enough to care for them.”
Why would you kill them because you ‘weren’t good enough’?
Bizarre the defence is going for not guilty rather than pleading mental health issues.
I had a similar initially reaction to most in this thread when I first read the headline but it’s important to not that she clearly wrote this after she was accused and also include many protestations of innocence.
I can’t imagine being accused of murder is good for the psyche, especially in a field where mistakes incompetence can lead to death.
In their full context it is possible that these notes will come across as her excessively doubting herself, rather than what they are presented as here.
This whole thing is incredibly scary. My baby was recently born at 25 weeks and is in NICU at the moment. I’m amazed anybody is ever left alone with the babies as there is usually multiple babies in a room.
Starting to think she might be a little off you know
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>The court heard the passages were written on post-it notes, and included phrases such as “what allegations have been made and by who? Do they have written evidence to support their comments?
If this happened in a movie it would be laughed at for being too on-the-nose and ironic.
I think we’ve got a candidate to travel back in time to deal with Baby Hitler, everyone.
The post-it notes are a clear logic gate process that some actors use when rehearsing.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the stood there in her room just going over the post-it notes to bolster her lying abilities.
You know in Austin Powers where he keeps denying he bought the penis pump enlarger, and then they bring up his book titled “my Swedish made penis enlarger pump, this kind of thing is my bag baby”. This feels kind of like that moment for the defence here.
>The nurse was also questioned by police about why she had sent a sympathy card to the baby’s parents.
She was either trying to remove blame from her, or she had formed an attachment to the child that died and was trying to give the parents some comfort
The number of people in this thread who seem incapable of critical thought or of entertaining possibilities that didn’t spring immediately to mind is crazy. And a jury is drawn from roughly the same demographic.
From what I can see from the comments on these Lucy Letby posts, a disproportionate amount of “benefit of the doubt” is afforded to you if you are;
1. white,
2. a female – at least moderately attractive
3. a nurse or member of a care profession
I’m interested to understand the psychology behind this.
Despite the notes, it literally says it in the article that she was caught by a doctor dislodging a baby’s breathing tube
Everyone here seems to be desperate for her to be innocent for some reason. I mean it’s pretty fucking obvious that she’s done it. The defence’s arguments so far is essentially “well you can’t be sure”.
Curious about what safeguards were in place regarding nurses/doctors such as this?
When I first heard of this, frankly terrifying, case a year ago or something, I got the impression it was at least cut and dry.
I’m getting the feeling now that there may not be any actual evidence? Whatever happens, I think it’s probably in everyone’s interests she doesn’t work with anyone under the age of 18 again.
If she is found guilty then do we think this is whole life order territory?
This whole trial is horrific. I struggle even reading about it if I’m honest. Having been a parent in a NICU myself I just cannot imagine how the parents and other staff are feeling. The nurses who cared for my child went above and beyond and he wouldn’t be here without each of them. He’s now 21 and just joined the RAF and I couldn’t be more proud.
This case is awful. Part of me hopes it’s not true, but it seems there is a lot of evidence to get through. Let’s hope whatever the outcome it’s the right one.
Holy shit this story gives me a hard core case of mean world syndrome
Whether or not she’s guilty, what these notes are the clearest evidence of, in my mind, is someone suffering a serious mental breakdown. Maybe these are related to her deliberately killing those patients, maybe she’s completely innocent and started going insane because of the accusations, maybe she suffered a breakdown and committed manslaughter because she was in too much distress to focus properly and provide care. All of these are still possible.
But people being so willing to condemn her reveal themselves as not understanding what it feels like to be at the bottom of a downward spiral.
Female incel murdered 7 babies out of envy for the parents and not being able to find a partner of her own
What I want to know is Why? Why do any of this.
It’s never as simple as “They’re just evil”.