L’Economist, dopo che Truss si è dimessa, ha pubblicato una copertina paragonando la situazione inglese a quella italiana. Truss ha come scudo una pizza e tiene una forchetta con gli spaghetti. Questa è la risposta dell’ambasciatore italiano. Piccata ma vagamente trollante, secondo me.
Menziona anche gli stipendi da fame fermi al 1995, in quei settori d’eccellenza?
Come voi dite voi giovani? Based?
Risposta da perfetto Redditor, complimenti signor ambasciatore, è pronto anche a rinunciare al suo stipendio e ricevere quello che ci becchiamo noi per scrivere cazzate qua?
Basato
Bravo ambasciatore.
Mi ha ricordato la lista fatta dal Berlusconi a Schulz al parlamento europeo
Di un cringe allucinante
E comunque Virgin Industria aerospaziale vs Chad Pizza
tldr: gnegne
L’Italia è un casino, ma si certo non possiamo permettere che qualche inglesino del cavolo ci insulti così.
Imbarazzante. Sembra una gara a chi dà il peggio.
Ma fanno l’Expo a Roma nel 2030???
Ma noooo, come è possibile che all’estero veniamo visti come dei cialtroni, assurdo
“E’ una culona”
Cit.
*My name is Inigo Lambertini, you mocked my country, prepare to cringe.*
“Our automotive sector”
Prossima copertina, l’UK disegnata come la Ferrari, senza una gomma ai box
È un fake, vero? Vero? Non ho neanche voglia di entrare nei contenuti, voglio solo portare l’attenzione sulla spaziatura delle linee, e i banner sotto.
Il cringiometro è esploso
Non credo che siamo così ben messi da poterci mettere a fare i fighi…
Fossi stato al suo posto non l’avrei gufata.
Chad
Ok, se l’Economist è in gamba farà un articolo su come la nostra ricerca faccia schifo per mancanza di fondi, per rispondere a tono.
La copertina era molto azzeccata, e l’ambasciatore ha fatto il suo lavoro. Nothing to see here.
“Thank you for being so not Italian!”
It’s cringe o’clock!
Inigo Lambertini, what a chad
Un po salty?
Veramente un fratello, un Bro oggettivo, la tocca piano ma manco troppo e poi lancia la nuke, un grande. E comunque insultare l’Italia è facile e banale, ma spesso cela invidia e paura, un po’ come il fatto che gli USA per vendere uno sputo in più del loro cioccolato contro la Ferrero hanno reso illegale il kinder sorpresa a livello federale con la scusa più imbecille di tutte che li fa sembrare dei minorati.
Si tutto bello. Ora datevi una mossa che è una vergogna dover aspettare tre mesi per un rinnovo passaporto (e tengo breve il punto perché altrimenti se dettaglio mi incazzo)
Aspettiamo che Libero metta in copertina l’Inghilterra col culo sporco con la scritta “manco c’avete il bidet e state a sfottere”
Bene ha fatto la Farnesina a convocare l’ambasciatore inglese. Quanto accaduto a #Londra deve essere chiarito completamente in ogni suo aspetto.
cringe entrambi
Buonasera e benvenuti ad una nuova puntata di “kek or cringe”.
r/italy ha deciso: >!cringe!<
Per chi non ha letto la *cover story* o non ha accesso al paywall:
>Editor’s note: On October 20th Liz Truss resigned as leader of Britain’s Conservative Party and thus will soon depart as prime minister. The party will hold another leadership contest, its third in as many years, to pick her successor within seven days.
>
>In 2012 liz truss and Kwasi Kwarteng, two of the authors of a pamphlet called “Britannia Unchained”, used Italy as a warning. Bloated public services, low growth, poor productivity: the problems of Italy and other southern European countries were also present in Britain. Ten years later, in their botched attempt to forge a different path, Ms Truss and Mr Kwarteng have helped make the comparison inescapable. Britain is still blighted by disappointing growth and regional inequality. But it is also hobbled by chronic political instability and under the thumb of the bond markets. Welcome to Britaly.
>
>The comparison between the two countries is inexact. Between 2009 and 2019 Britain’s productivity growth rate was the second-slowest in the g7, but Italy’s was far worse. Britain is younger and has a more competitive economy. Italy’s problems stem, in part, from being inside the European club; Britain’s, in part, from being outside. Comparing the bond yields of the two countries is misleading. Britain has lower debt, its own currency and its own central bank; the market thinks it has much less chance of defaulting than Italy. But if Britaly is not a statistical truth, it captures something real. Britain has moved much closer to Italy in recent years in three ways.
>
>First, and most obviously, the political instability that used to mark Italy out has fully infected Britain. Since the end of the coalition government in May 2015, Britain has had four prime ministers (David Cameron, Theresa May, Boris Johnson and Ms Truss), as has Italy. The countries are likely to stay in lockstep in the near future. Giorgia Meloni is expected to be sworn in as the new prime minister in Rome; Ms Truss’s future could not be more precarious. Ministerial longevity is now counted in months: since July Britain has had four chancellors of the exchequer; the home secretary resigned this week after just 43 days in office. Trust in politics has declined as chaos has increased: 50% of Britons trusted the government in 2010 and less than 40% do now. The gap with Italy on this measure has shrunk from 17 percentage points to four.
>
>Second, just as Italy became the plaything of the bond markets during the euro-zone crisis, so they are now visibly in charge of Britain. The Conservatives have spent the past six years chasing the dream of enhanced British sovereignty; instead they have lost control. Silvio Berlusconi was removed from power in Italy in 2011 after falling foul of Brussels and Berlin; Mr Kwarteng was kicked out of his job as chancellor of the exchequer because of the market reaction to his package of unfunded tax cuts. Traders in gilts are the arbiters of British government policy at the moment. Jeremy Hunt, the new chancellor, has eviscerated most of the tax cuts and rightly decided to redesign the government’s energy-price guarantee scheme from April 2023. The decisions he must take to fill the remaining hole in the public finances are being designed with markets in mind.
>
>Just as Italians fret about lo spread between benchmark government bonds and Bunds, so Britons have had a crash course in how gilt yields affect everything from the cost of their mortgage to the safety of their pensions. In Italy institutions like the presidency and the central bank have long acted as bulwarks against politicians. So it is now in Britain. By ending its emergency bond-buying on October 14th, the Bank of England forced the government to reverse course faster. There is no room for Mr Hunt to disagree with the Office for Budget Responsibility, a fiscal watchdog. These institutions were constraints on elected mps before, but now the chains bind tightly and visibly.
>
>Third, Britain’s low-growth problem has become more entrenched. Political stability is a precondition of growth, not a nice-to-have. Italian governments struggle to get anything done; the same is true of brief administrations in Britain. When changes of leader and government are always round the corner, pantomime and personality replace policy. Mr Johnson was nicknamed “Borisconi” by some; by continuing to hover on the political scene, he may make this comparison sharper still.
>
>And although fiscal discipline should calm the bond markets, it will not by itself increase growth. Mr Hunt is racing to balance the books as part of a medium-term fiscal plan to be unveiled on October 31st. Saving money by spending less on infrastructure would be fine for gilt yields but is not going to help the economy grow. There is little room for swingeing cuts to public services. Better to phase out the “triple lock”, a generous formula for raising state pensions, and raise money in more sensible ways: scrapping “non-dom” tax status, for instance, or raising inheritance taxes. A rise in income tax would be better than reinstating the increase in national-insurance contributions, which fall solely on workers.
>
>For now, things are turning ever more Britalian. Tory mps are in disarray—evident in a chaotic vote on fracking and rumours of more resignations—and again consumed by intrigue about how long their prime minister can last. Ms Truss has become the human equivalent of Larry the cat, living in Downing Street but wielding no power. If (or rather, when) Tory mps decide to bin her, they need to find a replacement themselves rather than outsourcing it to Conservative Party members. The odds of their feuding factions alighting on a unifying figure are low.
>
>Spaghetti junction
>
>The case for an early general election is becoming stronger as a result. It is unlikely to happen: why would Tory mps vote for their own demise? The argument that Ms Truss or any successor lacks a mandate is flawed in a parliamentary system. But if Parliament is unable to produce a functioning government then it is time to go to the voters. That moment is drawing closer.
>
>Holding elections has not resolved Italy’s problems. But there is reason to feel more hopeful about Britain, where political instability is now a one-party disease. The Tories have become nigh-on ungovernable, due to the corrosion from Brexit and the sheer exhaustion of 12 years in power. Ms Truss is right to identify growth as Britain’s biggest problem. Yet growth depends not on fantastical plans and big bangs, but on stable government, thoughtful policy and political unity. In their current incarnation the Tories cannot provide it. ■
>
>For subscribers only: to see how we design each week’s cover, sign up to our weekly Cover Story newsletter.
che imbarazzo
Ma pensasse alle cose serie, che il motivo di quella copertina sono proprio i buffoni che sono nelle alte sfere di questo disgraziato paese. Peraltro l’articolo è impeccabile.
“ Dear Sir,
Reading the Economist is a pleasure for every diplomat. And, as the Italian Ambassador to the United
Kingdom, even more so since you dedicate constant attention to Italy, so much loved by the British
people.
Such is the case with your latest cover, unfortunately inspired by the oldest of stereotypes. Although
spaghetti and pizza are the most sought after food in the world, as the second largest manufacturer in
Europe, for your next cover we would suggest you to pick for a change from our aerospace, biotech,
automotive or pharmaceutical sectors.
Whatever the choice, it would cast a more accurate spotlight on Italy, also taking into account your
not so secret admiration for our economic model.
All the best,
Inigo Lambertini
Ambassador” -🤓
Mado’, mo’ pure gli ambasciatori fanno gli offesi? Ma un po’ di pelo sullo stomaco?
Vabbè l’invidia uk x la nostra economia è imbarazzante come uscita dai
“Signor direttore, so che stanno girando un film sui campi di concentramento, la suggerirò per il ruolo di kapò”
Io avrei optato per una risposta con la foto della minkia
La copertina dell’Economist è tanto poco divertente quanto poco offensiva, nonché irrilevante. La risposta di un’istituzione italiana ad una stronzata simile non fa altro che legittimarla. Ma soprattutto, perché non siamo noi per primi a rimboccarci le maniche per cambiare l’immagine dell’Italia, anziché frignare per una vignetta? Provate a guardare una pubblicità di un qualunque prodotto italiano in televisione e vi rendete conto di cosa parlo, sono sempre sul tema della dolce vita italiana, dei paesaggi e del buon cibo. Siamo noi per primi a proiettare l’immagine di un paese che non ha altro da offrire, che si terrorizza se arrivano due russi in meno a Forte dei Marmi e Porto Cervo ma se ne fotte se tagliamo le spese per infrastrutture, università e ricerca.
Ragazzi comunque credo che la copertina sia stata travisata. Basandomi solo su quello che ho letto dall’articolo del post, quella non è l’idea di Italia dell’Economist, ma l’idea di Italia del **Partito Conservatore**. Infatti erano questi ad aver usato l’Italia come esempio negativo di burocrazia inefficiente, alta instabilità ed irrilevanza internazionale, accusando i laburisti di star portando l’UK al “nostro” livello.
La copertina ironizza su questa situazione, ovvero che proprio i Conservatori hanno fatto dell’UK una nazione inefficiente, instabile ed irrilevante. Quindi ci sta aver rappresentato la Truss in una maniera ridicola e clownesca, ispirata allo “stereotipo italiano” per i motivi di sopra.
Boh ma sono L unica a essere sconvolta dal livello di inglese dell ambasciatore italiano in Inghilterra?!
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L’Economist, dopo che Truss si è dimessa, ha pubblicato una copertina paragonando la situazione inglese a quella italiana. Truss ha come scudo una pizza e tiene una forchetta con gli spaghetti. Questa è la risposta dell’ambasciatore italiano. Piccata ma vagamente trollante, secondo me.
Menziona anche gli stipendi da fame fermi al 1995, in quei settori d’eccellenza?
Come voi dite voi giovani? Based?
Risposta da perfetto Redditor, complimenti signor ambasciatore, è pronto anche a rinunciare al suo stipendio e ricevere quello che ci becchiamo noi per scrivere cazzate qua?
Basato
Bravo ambasciatore.
Mi ha ricordato la lista fatta dal Berlusconi a Schulz al parlamento europeo
Di un cringe allucinante
E comunque Virgin Industria aerospaziale vs Chad Pizza
tldr: gnegne
L’Italia è un casino, ma si certo non possiamo permettere che qualche inglesino del cavolo ci insulti così.
Imbarazzante. Sembra una gara a chi dà il peggio.
Ma fanno l’Expo a Roma nel 2030???
Ma noooo, come è possibile che all’estero veniamo visti come dei cialtroni, assurdo
“E’ una culona”
Cit.
*My name is Inigo Lambertini, you mocked my country, prepare to cringe.*
“Our automotive sector”
Prossima copertina, l’UK disegnata come la Ferrari, senza una gomma ai box
È un fake, vero? Vero? Non ho neanche voglia di entrare nei contenuti, voglio solo portare l’attenzione sulla spaziatura delle linee, e i banner sotto.
Il cringiometro è esploso
Non credo che siamo così ben messi da poterci mettere a fare i fighi…
Fossi stato al suo posto non l’avrei gufata.
Chad
Ok, se l’Economist è in gamba farà un articolo su come la nostra ricerca faccia schifo per mancanza di fondi, per rispondere a tono.
La copertina era molto azzeccata, e l’ambasciatore ha fatto il suo lavoro. Nothing to see here.
“Thank you for being so not Italian!”
It’s cringe o’clock!
Inigo Lambertini, what a chad
Un po salty?
Veramente un fratello, un Bro oggettivo, la tocca piano ma manco troppo e poi lancia la nuke, un grande. E comunque insultare l’Italia è facile e banale, ma spesso cela invidia e paura, un po’ come il fatto che gli USA per vendere uno sputo in più del loro cioccolato contro la Ferrero hanno reso illegale il kinder sorpresa a livello federale con la scusa più imbecille di tutte che li fa sembrare dei minorati.
Si tutto bello. Ora datevi una mossa che è una vergogna dover aspettare tre mesi per un rinnovo passaporto (e tengo breve il punto perché altrimenti se dettaglio mi incazzo)
Aspettiamo che Libero metta in copertina l’Inghilterra col culo sporco con la scritta “manco c’avete il bidet e state a sfottere”
Bene ha fatto la Farnesina a convocare l’ambasciatore inglese. Quanto accaduto a #Londra deve essere chiarito completamente in ogni suo aspetto.
cringe entrambi
Buonasera e benvenuti ad una nuova puntata di “kek or cringe”.
r/italy ha deciso: >!cringe!<
Per chi non ha letto la *cover story* o non ha accesso al paywall:
>Editor’s note: On October 20th Liz Truss resigned as leader of Britain’s Conservative Party and thus will soon depart as prime minister. The party will hold another leadership contest, its third in as many years, to pick her successor within seven days.
>
>In 2012 liz truss and Kwasi Kwarteng, two of the authors of a pamphlet called “Britannia Unchained”, used Italy as a warning. Bloated public services, low growth, poor productivity: the problems of Italy and other southern European countries were also present in Britain. Ten years later, in their botched attempt to forge a different path, Ms Truss and Mr Kwarteng have helped make the comparison inescapable. Britain is still blighted by disappointing growth and regional inequality. But it is also hobbled by chronic political instability and under the thumb of the bond markets. Welcome to Britaly.
>
>The comparison between the two countries is inexact. Between 2009 and 2019 Britain’s productivity growth rate was the second-slowest in the g7, but Italy’s was far worse. Britain is younger and has a more competitive economy. Italy’s problems stem, in part, from being inside the European club; Britain’s, in part, from being outside. Comparing the bond yields of the two countries is misleading. Britain has lower debt, its own currency and its own central bank; the market thinks it has much less chance of defaulting than Italy. But if Britaly is not a statistical truth, it captures something real. Britain has moved much closer to Italy in recent years in three ways.
>
>First, and most obviously, the political instability that used to mark Italy out has fully infected Britain. Since the end of the coalition government in May 2015, Britain has had four prime ministers (David Cameron, Theresa May, Boris Johnson and Ms Truss), as has Italy. The countries are likely to stay in lockstep in the near future. Giorgia Meloni is expected to be sworn in as the new prime minister in Rome; Ms Truss’s future could not be more precarious. Ministerial longevity is now counted in months: since July Britain has had four chancellors of the exchequer; the home secretary resigned this week after just 43 days in office. Trust in politics has declined as chaos has increased: 50% of Britons trusted the government in 2010 and less than 40% do now. The gap with Italy on this measure has shrunk from 17 percentage points to four.
>
>Second, just as Italy became the plaything of the bond markets during the euro-zone crisis, so they are now visibly in charge of Britain. The Conservatives have spent the past six years chasing the dream of enhanced British sovereignty; instead they have lost control. Silvio Berlusconi was removed from power in Italy in 2011 after falling foul of Brussels and Berlin; Mr Kwarteng was kicked out of his job as chancellor of the exchequer because of the market reaction to his package of unfunded tax cuts. Traders in gilts are the arbiters of British government policy at the moment. Jeremy Hunt, the new chancellor, has eviscerated most of the tax cuts and rightly decided to redesign the government’s energy-price guarantee scheme from April 2023. The decisions he must take to fill the remaining hole in the public finances are being designed with markets in mind.
>
>Just as Italians fret about lo spread between benchmark government bonds and Bunds, so Britons have had a crash course in how gilt yields affect everything from the cost of their mortgage to the safety of their pensions. In Italy institutions like the presidency and the central bank have long acted as bulwarks against politicians. So it is now in Britain. By ending its emergency bond-buying on October 14th, the Bank of England forced the government to reverse course faster. There is no room for Mr Hunt to disagree with the Office for Budget Responsibility, a fiscal watchdog. These institutions were constraints on elected mps before, but now the chains bind tightly and visibly.
>
>Third, Britain’s low-growth problem has become more entrenched. Political stability is a precondition of growth, not a nice-to-have. Italian governments struggle to get anything done; the same is true of brief administrations in Britain. When changes of leader and government are always round the corner, pantomime and personality replace policy. Mr Johnson was nicknamed “Borisconi” by some; by continuing to hover on the political scene, he may make this comparison sharper still.
>
>And although fiscal discipline should calm the bond markets, it will not by itself increase growth. Mr Hunt is racing to balance the books as part of a medium-term fiscal plan to be unveiled on October 31st. Saving money by spending less on infrastructure would be fine for gilt yields but is not going to help the economy grow. There is little room for swingeing cuts to public services. Better to phase out the “triple lock”, a generous formula for raising state pensions, and raise money in more sensible ways: scrapping “non-dom” tax status, for instance, or raising inheritance taxes. A rise in income tax would be better than reinstating the increase in national-insurance contributions, which fall solely on workers.
>
>For now, things are turning ever more Britalian. Tory mps are in disarray—evident in a chaotic vote on fracking and rumours of more resignations—and again consumed by intrigue about how long their prime minister can last. Ms Truss has become the human equivalent of Larry the cat, living in Downing Street but wielding no power. If (or rather, when) Tory mps decide to bin her, they need to find a replacement themselves rather than outsourcing it to Conservative Party members. The odds of their feuding factions alighting on a unifying figure are low.
>
>Spaghetti junction
>
>The case for an early general election is becoming stronger as a result. It is unlikely to happen: why would Tory mps vote for their own demise? The argument that Ms Truss or any successor lacks a mandate is flawed in a parliamentary system. But if Parliament is unable to produce a functioning government then it is time to go to the voters. That moment is drawing closer.
>
>Holding elections has not resolved Italy’s problems. But there is reason to feel more hopeful about Britain, where political instability is now a one-party disease. The Tories have become nigh-on ungovernable, due to the corrosion from Brexit and the sheer exhaustion of 12 years in power. Ms Truss is right to identify growth as Britain’s biggest problem. Yet growth depends not on fantastical plans and big bangs, but on stable government, thoughtful policy and political unity. In their current incarnation the Tories cannot provide it. ■
>
>For subscribers only: to see how we design each week’s cover, sign up to our weekly Cover Story newsletter.
che imbarazzo
Ma pensasse alle cose serie, che il motivo di quella copertina sono proprio i buffoni che sono nelle alte sfere di questo disgraziato paese. Peraltro l’articolo è impeccabile.
“ Dear Sir,
Reading the Economist is a pleasure for every diplomat. And, as the Italian Ambassador to the United
Kingdom, even more so since you dedicate constant attention to Italy, so much loved by the British
people.
Such is the case with your latest cover, unfortunately inspired by the oldest of stereotypes. Although
spaghetti and pizza are the most sought after food in the world, as the second largest manufacturer in
Europe, for your next cover we would suggest you to pick for a change from our aerospace, biotech,
automotive or pharmaceutical sectors.
Whatever the choice, it would cast a more accurate spotlight on Italy, also taking into account your
not so secret admiration for our economic model.
All the best,
Inigo Lambertini
Ambassador” -🤓
Mado’, mo’ pure gli ambasciatori fanno gli offesi? Ma un po’ di pelo sullo stomaco?
Vabbè l’invidia uk x la nostra economia è imbarazzante come uscita dai
“Signor direttore, so che stanno girando un film sui campi di concentramento, la suggerirò per il ruolo di kapò”
Io avrei optato per una risposta con la foto della minkia
La copertina dell’Economist è tanto poco divertente quanto poco offensiva, nonché irrilevante. La risposta di un’istituzione italiana ad una stronzata simile non fa altro che legittimarla. Ma soprattutto, perché non siamo noi per primi a rimboccarci le maniche per cambiare l’immagine dell’Italia, anziché frignare per una vignetta? Provate a guardare una pubblicità di un qualunque prodotto italiano in televisione e vi rendete conto di cosa parlo, sono sempre sul tema della dolce vita italiana, dei paesaggi e del buon cibo. Siamo noi per primi a proiettare l’immagine di un paese che non ha altro da offrire, che si terrorizza se arrivano due russi in meno a Forte dei Marmi e Porto Cervo ma se ne fotte se tagliamo le spese per infrastrutture, università e ricerca.
Ragazzi comunque credo che la copertina sia stata travisata. Basandomi solo su quello che ho letto dall’articolo del post, quella non è l’idea di Italia dell’Economist, ma l’idea di Italia del **Partito Conservatore**. Infatti erano questi ad aver usato l’Italia come esempio negativo di burocrazia inefficiente, alta instabilità ed irrilevanza internazionale, accusando i laburisti di star portando l’UK al “nostro” livello.
La copertina ironizza su questa situazione, ovvero che proprio i Conservatori hanno fatto dell’UK una nazione inefficiente, instabile ed irrilevante. Quindi ci sta aver rappresentato la Truss in una maniera ridicola e clownesca, ispirata allo “stereotipo italiano” per i motivi di sopra.
Boh ma sono L unica a essere sconvolta dal livello di inglese dell ambasciatore italiano in Inghilterra?!