>At a hearing at Colchester Magistrates’ Court this month, Manzoni was told that while the court “respected her beliefs as an ethical vegan, others saw mice as vermin”, the council said.
Mice can spread diseases, rats and mice are known to spread more than 35 diseases, so they are vermin.
>Vermin – wild animals that are believed to be harmful to crops, farm animals, or game, or which carry disease,
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I always feel the need to point out that mice do not go to the toilet and then wash their wee paws but just piss and shite as they toddle along . Doesn’t matter how cute they are, that’s not what you want in the house.
I’m vegan and being vegan is about being vegan as reasonably possible, not about being perfect. I have to use animal products at work and will take medication that has been tested on animals because there is no alternative. You can get rid of mice in a humane manner and that is what should have been done here. Mice are vermin and can spread diseases that are very nasty to humans, sometimes you have to put what is best for you above what is best for the animals.
That must have been some serious infestation. I live above a pretty well kept restaurant and we have mice. Even if you are perfectly clean and try to keep them out they still occasionally roam hunting for food. They still smell your cooking so they know food is around. I can’t imagine how bad it would be if you actively fed them.
I’m a vegan (vegan sometimes, vegetarian always) but even I recognise there are limits. I bought a .22 and a bunch of rat traps to deal with a rat problem because they were in danger of getting inside the house. I didn’t like it but we can’t just go around allowing infestations of disease-spreading rodents.
I live in a tenement building with filthy neighbours, who are never going to understand, *anything,* because they are thick. So We get a lot of mice in the building. I get them occasionally, like one every couple of months or so, but I catch them using humane methods, of which there are many, and then I take them up to my allotment site, over 2 miles away, and release them. They probably wont survive, but thats fine- the crows or feral cats will eat them.
I also work in a hardware shop, and often get customers looking for solutions for mice infestations. I refuse to sell glue traps, but we do have 2 kinds of poison- fast acting and slow acting. I try to push the customers towards the fast acting poison, and in fact we actually use it in the shop ourselves, because we sell bird seed, which attracts mice. Slow acting poison, is for people who cant handle seeing the bodies- but the problem is, the mouse goes and dies in agony behind your washing machine or something, it stinks and attracts flies.
But the main thing I try to impress upon customers with mice, is that mouse numbers have a direct relationship to food source availability, and also access. Clean your kitchen, never leave food out, and put stuff in airtight boxes in storage cupboards. You can also look for gaps round your radiators pipes, and block those with wire wool, which mice cannot chew through.
Anyway if I can control mice in my flat, even with my filthy neighbours, anybody can. Plus catching them is fun. If you cannot outwit *a mouse*, then there is seriously something wrong wth you.
What’s their diet got to do with it? You can be vegan and still swat a ****ing bluebottle that refuses to leave through the open window
Stupid Culture War headline
Vegan here who had a mice infestation a few years ago.
I tried to ethically deal with them and catch them in non-kill traps for a few weeks – I must have made about 15-20 trips to a field to release them, cause I really didn’t want to kill them. But I just couldn’t stay on top of them – had to regrettably poison the poor dudes, which worked pretty much instantly.
I understand this old ladys heart is in the right place, I have a little bit of sympathy for her – but yeah feeding vermin is pretty crazy and I do think the fine is justified.
[Bonus pic of mouse inside my PC](https://i.imgur.com/V5xBHF1.jpg) which is was about when I decided that poison was needed.
I never understand why the fact that the person is vegan belongs in the headline.
You can buy plug repellents from screwfix for £30 doesn’t kill, just pushes them away this vegan is just stupid
It’s a tricky one for a vegan this. I’m one and I’d be unhappy killing rodents as much as I’d hate an infestation. Say that, feeding them is positively the worst thing to do as it will obviously lead to a huge mouse population boom.
The thing is what is ethical/humane is not always what is palatable for you personally. Releasing an animal where it might freeze/starve/be eaten by predators etc. is not humane compared to killing it instantly. People keep talking about humane traps meaning ones that don’t kill, but what you leave them to after might not be humane.
I mean you can get non lethal traps and release them.
Find where they get in; block it with wire wool. No-kill trap the rest and release them in a neighbour’s garden.
I’ve got a couple of pet mice and they’re really cute, tame and friendly. Can confirm that they shit continuously every 20 seconds or so, I don’t think they control it, but it’s pretty easy to contain them and clean up after.
Had an infestation once too and tried to manage it by trapping them and freeing them outside, but a female can reproduce every 30 days and I just couldn’t get rid of them so in the end had to use poison. I hated it, but you cannot tolerate wild mice in your home.
I’m surprised this doesn’t happen more often. The council are useful at dealing with home infestations especially Rats.
The title is wrong. It should be “lonely pensioner refuses to kill mice. Council doesn’t address her mental health and issues fine”
Then newspaper spins the story to have a go at vegans”
the fact that he’s vegan is not related to being a moron. I’m vegan and not a moron. They are pest. Don’t feed them.
Another clueless vegan who doesn’t understand the world because they refuse to grow up.
You need to remove access to food source, and contrary to popular belief cheese seldom works but chocolate is king when trapping mice.
Not a vegan, but, used to do this with the rats in the car park at work.
Is Vegan the new Muslim in terms of reporting hysteria?
“Person who happens to be on a vegan diet is a dirty, lazy bum, who cba to clean, and calls it feeding them”
We’ve had mice recently I’ve found their homes and filled em with expanding foam. Laid out traps haven’t seen em since
If you don’t want mice, get cats. The scent is usually enough to deter them. You may have to put up with the cat bringing you a mouse if it thinks you can’t feed yourself though.
i had mice last year, loads of them, i used an ip camera and a mouse cage to trap them then let them go, they love celery and water to drink.
Absolutely not surprised by some of these comments on a vegan-related subject. Ridiculous. You realize people who eat meat do the same things… Even if they were vegan for ethical reasons, encouraging an infestation is putting other people’s health at risk. There are bylaws against this stuff, I would imagine.
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>At a hearing at Colchester Magistrates’ Court this month, Manzoni was told that while the court “respected her beliefs as an ethical vegan, others saw mice as vermin”, the council said.
Mice can spread diseases, rats and mice are known to spread more than 35 diseases, so they are vermin.
>Vermin – wild animals that are believed to be harmful to crops, farm animals, or game, or which carry disease,
[removed]
I always feel the need to point out that mice do not go to the toilet and then wash their wee paws but just piss and shite as they toddle along . Doesn’t matter how cute they are, that’s not what you want in the house.
I’m vegan and being vegan is about being vegan as reasonably possible, not about being perfect. I have to use animal products at work and will take medication that has been tested on animals because there is no alternative. You can get rid of mice in a humane manner and that is what should have been done here. Mice are vermin and can spread diseases that are very nasty to humans, sometimes you have to put what is best for you above what is best for the animals.
That must have been some serious infestation. I live above a pretty well kept restaurant and we have mice. Even if you are perfectly clean and try to keep them out they still occasionally roam hunting for food. They still smell your cooking so they know food is around. I can’t imagine how bad it would be if you actively fed them.
I’m a vegan (vegan sometimes, vegetarian always) but even I recognise there are limits. I bought a .22 and a bunch of rat traps to deal with a rat problem because they were in danger of getting inside the house. I didn’t like it but we can’t just go around allowing infestations of disease-spreading rodents.
I live in a tenement building with filthy neighbours, who are never going to understand, *anything,* because they are thick. So We get a lot of mice in the building. I get them occasionally, like one every couple of months or so, but I catch them using humane methods, of which there are many, and then I take them up to my allotment site, over 2 miles away, and release them. They probably wont survive, but thats fine- the crows or feral cats will eat them.
I also work in a hardware shop, and often get customers looking for solutions for mice infestations. I refuse to sell glue traps, but we do have 2 kinds of poison- fast acting and slow acting. I try to push the customers towards the fast acting poison, and in fact we actually use it in the shop ourselves, because we sell bird seed, which attracts mice. Slow acting poison, is for people who cant handle seeing the bodies- but the problem is, the mouse goes and dies in agony behind your washing machine or something, it stinks and attracts flies.
But the main thing I try to impress upon customers with mice, is that mouse numbers have a direct relationship to food source availability, and also access. Clean your kitchen, never leave food out, and put stuff in airtight boxes in storage cupboards. You can also look for gaps round your radiators pipes, and block those with wire wool, which mice cannot chew through.
Anyway if I can control mice in my flat, even with my filthy neighbours, anybody can. Plus catching them is fun. If you cannot outwit *a mouse*, then there is seriously something wrong wth you.
What’s their diet got to do with it? You can be vegan and still swat a ****ing bluebottle that refuses to leave through the open window
Stupid Culture War headline
Vegan here who had a mice infestation a few years ago.
I tried to ethically deal with them and catch them in non-kill traps for a few weeks – I must have made about 15-20 trips to a field to release them, cause I really didn’t want to kill them. But I just couldn’t stay on top of them – had to regrettably poison the poor dudes, which worked pretty much instantly.
I understand this old ladys heart is in the right place, I have a little bit of sympathy for her – but yeah feeding vermin is pretty crazy and I do think the fine is justified.
[Bonus pic of mouse inside my PC](https://i.imgur.com/V5xBHF1.jpg) which is was about when I decided that poison was needed.
I never understand why the fact that the person is vegan belongs in the headline.
You can buy plug repellents from screwfix for £30 doesn’t kill, just pushes them away this vegan is just stupid
It’s a tricky one for a vegan this. I’m one and I’d be unhappy killing rodents as much as I’d hate an infestation. Say that, feeding them is positively the worst thing to do as it will obviously lead to a huge mouse population boom.
The thing is what is ethical/humane is not always what is palatable for you personally. Releasing an animal where it might freeze/starve/be eaten by predators etc. is not humane compared to killing it instantly. People keep talking about humane traps meaning ones that don’t kill, but what you leave them to after might not be humane.
I mean you can get non lethal traps and release them.
Find where they get in; block it with wire wool. No-kill trap the rest and release them in a neighbour’s garden.
I’ve got a couple of pet mice and they’re really cute, tame and friendly. Can confirm that they shit continuously every 20 seconds or so, I don’t think they control it, but it’s pretty easy to contain them and clean up after.
Had an infestation once too and tried to manage it by trapping them and freeing them outside, but a female can reproduce every 30 days and I just couldn’t get rid of them so in the end had to use poison. I hated it, but you cannot tolerate wild mice in your home.
I’m surprised this doesn’t happen more often. The council are useful at dealing with home infestations especially Rats.
The title is wrong. It should be “lonely pensioner refuses to kill mice. Council doesn’t address her mental health and issues fine”
Then newspaper spins the story to have a go at vegans”
the fact that he’s vegan is not related to being a moron. I’m vegan and not a moron. They are pest. Don’t feed them.
Another clueless vegan who doesn’t understand the world because they refuse to grow up.
You need to remove access to food source, and contrary to popular belief cheese seldom works but chocolate is king when trapping mice.
Not a vegan, but, used to do this with the rats in the car park at work.
Is Vegan the new Muslim in terms of reporting hysteria?
“Person who happens to be on a vegan diet is a dirty, lazy bum, who cba to clean, and calls it feeding them”
We’ve had mice recently I’ve found their homes and filled em with expanding foam. Laid out traps haven’t seen em since
If you don’t want mice, get cats. The scent is usually enough to deter them. You may have to put up with the cat bringing you a mouse if it thinks you can’t feed yourself though.
i had mice last year, loads of them, i used an ip camera and a mouse cage to trap them then let them go, they love celery and water to drink.
Absolutely not surprised by some of these comments on a vegan-related subject. Ridiculous. You realize people who eat meat do the same things… Even if they were vegan for ethical reasons, encouraging an infestation is putting other people’s health at risk. There are bylaws against this stuff, I would imagine.
I would never admit to being vegan.