>A spokesperson for Just Stop Oil says its protests are not “patronisingly saying to people ‘we’re going to change your mind'” about climate change – they are just trying to raise the issue in the public’s consciousness.
I got my travels disrupted by them in London last week, sure it was annoying but hey I just made some changes and get on with my day, I support what they’re doing and good on them. If you stop supporting their aims because they inconvenienced you then you never supported it in the first place. They say they have a blue light policy which if true means the only really valid criticism of them is solved so…
No one has the right to stop someone from going about their business. Be it a hospital appointment, job interview or whatever. They need to find another way of promoting their cause without being a selfish arrogant arsehole to people.
They’ll have to explain how preventing people from going to work and contributing to deaths means the oil companies make any less money.
I think the irony of the government cracking down on protests and deciding to tag people who haven’t been prosecuted is that more people will hate them.
Protesters decide to target the general public; elected representatives of the public target protesters back. Activists then protest that it’s harder to target the general public and have no self reflection on how they have caused things to be harder for protestors who try to disrupt actual bad actors.
They are obviously not reasonable people, it’s impossible with the current state technology to stop using oil just wouldn’t work without us living like The Victorians did! And it doesn’t matter what we do Anyway because China doesn’t give a sh&£
So they get these protestors to annoy us and we don’t like some of their methods. Next they begin to bring in tonnes of restrictions on these protestors and we agree without even looking, “yeah whatever it takes they are a nuisance”.
The protestors get cracked down on very hard and we all cheer.
Then when we want to protest this farcical government in the future we will be met with swift and excessive force but it’s too late by then.
I’m sorry, but there’s no way that Just Stop Oil isn’t a big oil funded scapegoat. They literally got funding from a Getty
Why cant they protest in a way that impacts noone?
You know like in the history books where that worked
I hate it when people say they are ‘raising awareness’. What exactly are they raising awareness of? That we are using too much oil? That it’s bad for the environment? Go out and ask any man or woman on the street and they will be fully aware of these issues. Awareness isn’t a problem. The problem is that we have global civilisations that are entirely reliant on oil and gas to function.
This year a primary source of gas was disrupted for most of the Europe which has had dire consequences for global economies. People are struggling to afford adequate food and warm shelter because of the knock on effect of this. That was just supply disruption as well, we still have access to gas, just not enough of it.
Now imagine how bad it would be if we had no gas. Zero gas. Think about the millions of people that wouldn’t be able to heat their homes or use their cooker. Or the businesses that would simply be unable to function. People would freeze to death over winter, many would starve, the economy would collapse as key sectors simply wouldn’t be able to operate.
That’s just gas as well. If we had no oil it would be even worse. Our transport infrastructure would be completely crippled. So would most of our manufacturing infrastructure. We wouldn’t be able to export or import anything, which would again mean a crippled economy and mass starvation.
Even simply producing less oil and gas is a terrible idea. The global population is continuing to grow, meaning demand for these resources will also grow. Even when global demand does reduce this will simply force the big producers of oil/gas to up their prices. A lot of the OPEC members, for example, are entirely reliant on oil revenues to prop up their economies. They will definitely collude to raise oil prices as demand falls.
Therein lies the problem behind their stupid demands, they are stupid. If the UK can find new oil and gas resources in the North Sea it absolutely needs to exploit them. We need as much energy security as we can get in order to protect the UK in the short/medium term as we transition to alternate technologies. That transition is going to take decades as well, and even once everyone has a heat sink and an electric car we are still going to need a certain level of oil and gas for other functions. It’s also going to require a fuck ton of other resources so I look forward to the ‘Just Stop Cobalt’ protests in a few decades time.
So to summarise, people are already well aware of these issues and their requests are at best ignorant, at worst idiotic. So they are causing misery for thousands of people for nothing
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It’s still going to fall on deaf ears because people are too selfish to care. But hey, at least when your children and grandchildren are experiencing a mass extinction event, you can tell them all about how “at least I wasn’t a little bit inconvenienced by those damn protestors”.
Thank God for these people. Until last week I knew nothing about climate change. Now I have stopped using oil in my car and my cooking. Unfortunately this has meant I have to use my helicopter and it takes me lots of energy to wash up but at least I’m doing my bit.
I’ve never met them nor have i ever experience the inconvenience they cause.
I’m fully against destroying things or mindless vandalism. I don’t think that does anything expect harm further protests. But i do question the whole road blocking thing. I mean general public have no control over the use of oil and climate change. I’ve swapped out to LED bulbs to help reduce my energy usage but yet those bulbs are made from plastic which is all oil refine based.
If they really want change then i feel if they were to protest outside BP’s CEO’s house or their head office preventing workers from gaining access etc… that might bring change faster. Failing that blockade downing street forcing parliament to shutdown for a day or two until they agree to meet/talk about how to fix the issues.
With our political situation they are waiting their time.
Why can’t they protest without disruption? They could protest like the bus drivers who didn’t accept payment that one time.
The global climate is getting fucked in the ass by the fossil fuel companies & governments across the globe are happy to allow it as it lines their pockets and keeps them in power.
In the end the ones with the money and resources will survive and everyone else will have to fight for scraps & staying alive.
The disruption caused by their protests are infinitesimal compared to the impact on the climate that doing nothing will have.
Please keep up the disruption & I hope you make a difference for our children and grandchildren!!
They’re annoying as they’re dependent on oil themselves. Majority know we need to cut down oil but it’s hard and not possible easily to continue current way of life without it.
The counter protesters are coming: ‘just punch face’.
what a bunch of good for nothing,got nothing better to do a##holes
Thing is, their stunts are just fucking stupid. I am very anti coal/oil dependancy and even I’m getting fucked off with them. There is absolutely no reason to destroy artwork or literally shit on a memorial… they’re moronic.
If the British government today issued a law banning any new exploration for oil and gas it would make NO DIFFERENCE to climate change whatsoever. How much of the world’s oil do they think is under the UK? Maybe they should be glueing themselves to roads in Saudi Arabia and Venezuela if they actually want to make a difference.
The way the UK can contribute to tacking oil use is by developing renewable energy to the extent that it can undercut oil. If they want to force the UK government to do something that could actually tackle the issue then they should be asking them to support renewable energy research.
I’m more surprised at how much time these people have to do this stuff, don’t they have lives , jobs, families, etc. I know I wouldn’t have the time to do this.
I support it and I think if it pisses people off enough that they start putting pressure on future governments that’s good. Direct action historically has sometimes worked when non-direct action hasn’t.
But some of it is still annoying and potentially enraging. I watched a video of the dude in America who was on prison parole and had to go to work to meet his parole criteria and got blocked by some climate protestors, he was going mental (he went back to prison for assaulting them, likely would’ve had the same result if he didn’t go to work).
We already are aware you reckless fuckwits.
Seriously, they need bang their heads together and come up with better ideas for protesting. I don’t want to see another protest that shits on the general public.
Go target those that have the power to make change. Target the oil companies.
We know we need to have more renewable energy sources, but the people with power to change things are unaffected.
Don’t forget people, just stop oil is a shill funded by big oil !!
Yeah because we have no idea what’s going on in the world. Thank god for these all knowing people.
Country is on fire and they’re wanting us to not use oil? Excuse me?
I get the sentiment, but god, they literally couldn’t have picked a worse time for their cause
Why arent they saying just stop war? Why arent we all shouting stop war?
What makes these “protesters” think they have the right to interfere with lives of others (including others who might support their cause) but whom want to go about thier business without being inconvenienced by inconsiderate misguided and selfish radicals?
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>A spokesperson for Just Stop Oil says its protests are not “patronisingly saying to people ‘we’re going to change your mind'” about climate change – they are just trying to raise the issue in the public’s consciousness.
I got my travels disrupted by them in London last week, sure it was annoying but hey I just made some changes and get on with my day, I support what they’re doing and good on them. If you stop supporting their aims because they inconvenienced you then you never supported it in the first place. They say they have a blue light policy which if true means the only really valid criticism of them is solved so…
No one has the right to stop someone from going about their business. Be it a hospital appointment, job interview or whatever. They need to find another way of promoting their cause without being a selfish arrogant arsehole to people.
They’ll have to explain how preventing people from going to work and contributing to deaths means the oil companies make any less money.
I think the irony of the government cracking down on protests and deciding to tag people who haven’t been prosecuted is that more people will hate them.
Protesters decide to target the general public; elected representatives of the public target protesters back. Activists then protest that it’s harder to target the general public and have no self reflection on how they have caused things to be harder for protestors who try to disrupt actual bad actors.
They are obviously not reasonable people, it’s impossible with the current state technology to stop using oil just wouldn’t work without us living like The Victorians did! And it doesn’t matter what we do Anyway because China doesn’t give a sh&£
So they get these protestors to annoy us and we don’t like some of their methods. Next they begin to bring in tonnes of restrictions on these protestors and we agree without even looking, “yeah whatever it takes they are a nuisance”.
The protestors get cracked down on very hard and we all cheer.
Then when we want to protest this farcical government in the future we will be met with swift and excessive force but it’s too late by then.
I’m sorry, but there’s no way that Just Stop Oil isn’t a big oil funded scapegoat. They literally got funding from a Getty
Why cant they protest in a way that impacts noone?
You know like in the history books where that worked
I hate it when people say they are ‘raising awareness’. What exactly are they raising awareness of? That we are using too much oil? That it’s bad for the environment? Go out and ask any man or woman on the street and they will be fully aware of these issues. Awareness isn’t a problem. The problem is that we have global civilisations that are entirely reliant on oil and gas to function.
This year a primary source of gas was disrupted for most of the Europe which has had dire consequences for global economies. People are struggling to afford adequate food and warm shelter because of the knock on effect of this. That was just supply disruption as well, we still have access to gas, just not enough of it.
Now imagine how bad it would be if we had no gas. Zero gas. Think about the millions of people that wouldn’t be able to heat their homes or use their cooker. Or the businesses that would simply be unable to function. People would freeze to death over winter, many would starve, the economy would collapse as key sectors simply wouldn’t be able to operate.
That’s just gas as well. If we had no oil it would be even worse. Our transport infrastructure would be completely crippled. So would most of our manufacturing infrastructure. We wouldn’t be able to export or import anything, which would again mean a crippled economy and mass starvation.
Even simply producing less oil and gas is a terrible idea. The global population is continuing to grow, meaning demand for these resources will also grow. Even when global demand does reduce this will simply force the big producers of oil/gas to up their prices. A lot of the OPEC members, for example, are entirely reliant on oil revenues to prop up their economies. They will definitely collude to raise oil prices as demand falls.
Therein lies the problem behind their stupid demands, they are stupid. If the UK can find new oil and gas resources in the North Sea it absolutely needs to exploit them. We need as much energy security as we can get in order to protect the UK in the short/medium term as we transition to alternate technologies. That transition is going to take decades as well, and even once everyone has a heat sink and an electric car we are still going to need a certain level of oil and gas for other functions. It’s also going to require a fuck ton of other resources so I look forward to the ‘Just Stop Cobalt’ protests in a few decades time.
So to summarise, people are already well aware of these issues and their requests are at best ignorant, at worst idiotic. So they are causing misery for thousands of people for nothing
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It’s still going to fall on deaf ears because people are too selfish to care. But hey, at least when your children and grandchildren are experiencing a mass extinction event, you can tell them all about how “at least I wasn’t a little bit inconvenienced by those damn protestors”.
Thank God for these people. Until last week I knew nothing about climate change. Now I have stopped using oil in my car and my cooking. Unfortunately this has meant I have to use my helicopter and it takes me lots of energy to wash up but at least I’m doing my bit.
I’ve never met them nor have i ever experience the inconvenience they cause.
I’m fully against destroying things or mindless vandalism. I don’t think that does anything expect harm further protests. But i do question the whole road blocking thing. I mean general public have no control over the use of oil and climate change. I’ve swapped out to LED bulbs to help reduce my energy usage but yet those bulbs are made from plastic which is all oil refine based.
If they really want change then i feel if they were to protest outside BP’s CEO’s house or their head office preventing workers from gaining access etc… that might bring change faster. Failing that blockade downing street forcing parliament to shutdown for a day or two until they agree to meet/talk about how to fix the issues.
With our political situation they are waiting their time.
Why can’t they protest without disruption? They could protest like the bus drivers who didn’t accept payment that one time.
The global climate is getting fucked in the ass by the fossil fuel companies & governments across the globe are happy to allow it as it lines their pockets and keeps them in power.
In the end the ones with the money and resources will survive and everyone else will have to fight for scraps & staying alive.
The disruption caused by their protests are infinitesimal compared to the impact on the climate that doing nothing will have.
Please keep up the disruption & I hope you make a difference for our children and grandchildren!!
They’re annoying as they’re dependent on oil themselves. Majority know we need to cut down oil but it’s hard and not possible easily to continue current way of life without it.
The counter protesters are coming: ‘just punch face’.
what a bunch of good for nothing,got nothing better to do a##holes
Thing is, their stunts are just fucking stupid. I am very anti coal/oil dependancy and even I’m getting fucked off with them. There is absolutely no reason to destroy artwork or literally shit on a memorial… they’re moronic.
If the British government today issued a law banning any new exploration for oil and gas it would make NO DIFFERENCE to climate change whatsoever. How much of the world’s oil do they think is under the UK? Maybe they should be glueing themselves to roads in Saudi Arabia and Venezuela if they actually want to make a difference.
The way the UK can contribute to tacking oil use is by developing renewable energy to the extent that it can undercut oil. If they want to force the UK government to do something that could actually tackle the issue then they should be asking them to support renewable energy research.
I’m more surprised at how much time these people have to do this stuff, don’t they have lives , jobs, families, etc. I know I wouldn’t have the time to do this.
I support it and I think if it pisses people off enough that they start putting pressure on future governments that’s good. Direct action historically has sometimes worked when non-direct action hasn’t.
But some of it is still annoying and potentially enraging. I watched a video of the dude in America who was on prison parole and had to go to work to meet his parole criteria and got blocked by some climate protestors, he was going mental (he went back to prison for assaulting them, likely would’ve had the same result if he didn’t go to work).
We already are aware you reckless fuckwits.
Seriously, they need bang their heads together and come up with better ideas for protesting. I don’t want to see another protest that shits on the general public.
Go target those that have the power to make change. Target the oil companies.
We know we need to have more renewable energy sources, but the people with power to change things are unaffected.
Don’t forget people, just stop oil is a shill funded by big oil !!
Yeah because we have no idea what’s going on in the world. Thank god for these all knowing people.
Country is on fire and they’re wanting us to not use oil? Excuse me?
I get the sentiment, but god, they literally couldn’t have picked a worse time for their cause
Why arent they saying just stop war? Why arent we all shouting stop war?
What makes these “protesters” think they have the right to interfere with lives of others (including others who might support their cause) but whom want to go about thier business without being inconvenienced by inconsiderate misguided and selfish radicals?