There wouldn’t be any enforcement even if it was brought in.
Don’t give a shit if others aren’t vaccinated. Can lead a horse to water etc
Divide and conquer
It’s a redirection of public sentiment. People should be angry at the way our Government are going about dealing with this, not at each other.
And that’s why we don’t let the mob rule.
It’s shocking how many people have outed themselves as closet authoritarians since this pandemic began, funnily enough though I only ever see this kind of sentiment on the internet, yet to meet any of these dangerous extremists in real life.
For me, the worst part is that the anti-vaxxers’ just genuinely cannot understand that taking up 60% of the ICU beds despite being only 10% of the population is a bad thing. It’s like they cannot comprehend simple maths. It really blows my mind.
im vaccinated but this is wrong. its the governments fault for having shit healthcare and then trying to blame it on unvaccinated, young people, tourists, people that stay out past 11 or eat in groups larger than 6
What would these restrictions accomplish? Unfortunately, both vaccinated and unvaccinated people can carry and transmit the virus to others. Vaccines help your body fight off the virus once you are infected, but vaccines are not designed to stop infection. Literally nothing can stop an initial infection. Therefore, there is no medical advantage to restricting the movement of unvaccinated people.
About 3% of the world population can never be vaccinated because they have chronic illness that compromises their immune systems, so the vaccine could harm or kill them. Is it fair to lock these people away because someone falsely believes unvaccinated people are spreading COVID more than vaccinated people?
What about people who’ve had Covid? Or people who cannot take the vaccine because of other health risks?
This is so wrong. When people are scared and feel like they have no control, they are easily manipulated into looking for a scapegoat. People should have the right to make a medical decision for themselves without being forced or coerced. The unvaxxed do take up a disproportionate number of the shamefully few ICU beds available, but that’s still like 60 beds out of a total of 300,000 people. We’re sleep walking into a totalitarian society.
The overweight and obese take up a disproportionate level of medical resources too. Should we limit their ability to socialise and should we ration the general population to ensure everyone is within a healthy BMI?
Can everyone remember that this is for the Sindo…and unless everyone suddenly got subs for it most of us haven’t read beyond the first paragraph and a half. How big was the poll, how slanted was the methodology, who paid for the study etc etc
I have decided not to take the vaccine after an adverse reaction to the MMR vaccine as a child that led to heart inflammation and hospitalisation, I also had to have subsequent heart scans for the following 3 years. I’ve spoken to my GP about it and for me, the benefit does not outweigh a potential risk. I’m 30 years old, eat well (the occasional take away aside), don’t drink very often and exercise.
According to the HSPC official data, there have been 15 deaths in the 24-35 age range with, similarly, relatively low ICU figures in my age cohort so far in this pandemic. Furthermore, I do not have an underlying condition, which 85% of people who have died with Covid have (again this is the HSPC stat).
Me choosing not to get a vaccine to protect my own health may be considered selfish by some but realistically, the probability of me ‘impacting’ the HSE is very low.
I am sick to death of the de-humanisation of anyone who has chosen not to get a vaccine. No medication in the history of medicine has been suitable to 100% of people so why is this any different?
I am not a threat to you or anyone else, yet it’s easier to blame me than accept that our hospital system is a shambles and the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission.
People are tired of this and now they’re rightfully bloody sick of these self-righteous prats spouting absolute bullshit and insulting the work of so many who gave sacrificed so much.
If the unvaxxed are lockdowned i cant wait to see who the blame will shift to next
Wonder how many read past the first paragraph
If you’re 18+ you had every opportunity to get vaccinated. You chose not to.
Huge sympathy for Irish children — the real victims in all this bullshit.
People are gone mental now on both sides, there’s no middle ground common sense or compassion. You’re either an anti vaxxer or an all out authoritarian.
Jesus christ
This is the clearest warning people are going to get, that we’re on the cusp of a dangerous and permanent increase in authoritarianism in this country.
The government now have a lightning-rod issue, that they can use to ram through _any law they like_, without any regard for how effective/ineffective the measure will be, and without any regard for civil liberties.
People shouldn’t make light of this – it should scare the shit out of people, worse than Covid itself does – it’s a far bigger threat to us all, than Covid.
We’re not even 2 years into the pandemic, and what would be fucking conspiracy-theory levels of unthinkable stuff back then, is becoming reality now.
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It’s wrong for the government to mandate that somebody must take medicine by law.
I’d like to see the results of the survey proper and where it was conducted.
Lol Public mood turns? Take a read of this subreddit
Riiight, time to start setting fires
Mandatory Vacations are a very slippery slope in my opinion… especially with a vaccine that is 10 months or so old
If 85-90% is the threshold for herd immunity, why is small % unvaccinated a problem?
Currently almost 85% of Ireland have vaccinated, and likely to raise to damn near 90% over the next couple months as the younger folks get vaccinated.
>Ireland has administered at least 8,339,577 doses of COVID vaccines so far. Assuming every person needs 2 doses, that’s enough to have vaccinated about 84.4% of the country’s population.
So what is to gain by the dividing and politicising? What is the point?
I’m so tired of the whole thing. I think that death is the answer. no more hospital for covid patients. death. just death. death to everyone.
Vaxed or unvaxed we should be focused on negative COVID tests not that someone has or hasn’t had a vaccine.
You know people are getting tired of this shit when they’re getting tired of other people’s shit.
Yeah lock them down so ye can finally shift the blame elsewhere!
I reckon we pin it on double jabbed but won’t get boosters!
I wish this fucking virus either just took us all out already or fucked off. I’m sick of this every fucking day. anti vaxx this. bill gates lizard agenda that.
Sample size?
It really seems the scapegoating of the unvaxxed is coming from the top..politicians and the media are getting into very dangerous territory..
There are scarier things than a virus..
Ending up in a totalitarian neo fascist state is one of them..
Can somebody please explain to me how the unvaccinated impact the vaccinated considering the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission?
If the unvaccinated get Covid surely they are only putting themselves at risk since the vaccine only limits the effects of Covid?
A comfortable majority believe the Covid-19 unvaccinated should face greater movement restrictions, according to a nationwide Kantar opinion poll.
In an indication that public patience is wearing thin, 56pc overall say those who have not taken a vaccine should face travel restrictions and workplace bans — a view that increases to 63pc among the fully vaccinated and 69pc of older people.
However, the poll has also found a defiant attitude among the unvaccinated, with overall 15pc intending to carry on socialising as normal over Christmas, rising to 36pc among those who are not fully vaccinated.
A large majority of 80pc intend to cut back Christmas socialising either a lot or somewhat.
Poll interviews began last weekend on the day the Omicron variant was officially named and these concluded on Friday, before the Government announced the re-imposition of restrictions over the Christmas period.
The Sunday Independent has learned that people who lose their jobs from Tuesday as a result of the restrictions will receive the full Pandemic Unemployment Payment of €350 a week, but anyone currently receiving the PUP will not have their payments increased to that level.
Meanwhile, the Department of Education is to give €30m to primary schools before Christmas to buy Hepa air filtration units or to make other improvements to ventilation in school buildings to limit the spread of the virus.
In general the opinion poll finds approval for the Government’s handling of the pandemic steady, with 46pc satisfied and 38pc dissatisfied. There is stronger approval for Nphet (56pc), with one-in-four dissatisfied with the country’s public health advisers.
In relation to the current Covid surge, a third (32pc) believe the authorities have responded about right, with slightly more (35pc) saying the response has not been cautious enough. A fifth (21pc) say the authorities have been too cautious. These findings came before new restrictions were announced on Friday.
However, a clear majority (56pc) believe penalties to encourage vaccine uptake should be introduced against people who remain unvaccinated for reasons other than medical or religious grounds — but a third (31pc) say restrictions on travel or workplace bans should not be introduced.
Support for tougher restrictions is stronger among the fully vaccinated (63pc), older people (69pc) and the middle classes (64pc), with opposition to such a move stronger among those not fully vaccinated (74pc), those who say they are unlikely to restrict socialising over Christmas (58pc) and 18 to 24-year-olds (42pc).
In the current Covid surge, the unvaccinated account for around half of those in hospitals and ICUs. Yesterday the number hospitalised fell to its lowest level in four weeks: there were 487 being treated, down 41 on the same time on Friday. This compares to a figure of 536 on Saturday last week. The Department of Health yesterday announced 5,622 new confirmed cases have been reported.
In relation to Christmas socialising, the poll finds 45pc intend to cut back a lot and 35pc cut back a little, but 15pc (in reality, several hundred thousand people) say they intend to carry on as normal, while 5pc do not know.
The intention to socialise as normal is stronger among the not-fully-vaccinated (36pc), those who believe the Government’s response is too cautious (30pc) and 18 to 24-year-olds (20pc).
In the Sunday Independent today, Paul Moran, associate director of Kantar, says: “There is a well-defined rump of the population, albeit small, that are not vaccinated. While that is indeed their right, there is an undercurrent of defiance among them, and this is leading to a fracture of that collective spirit in tackling the virus.
“It seems that much of the public is quite exasperated with those who choose not to partake in the vaccine programme. As Covid rumbles on and, in light of increased restrictions for the population at large, patience may well wear even thinner as we enter a winter of discontent.”
The poll of a representative sample of all adults aged 18-64 has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1pc.
They’ve stopped publishing the numbers of vaxxed/unvaxxed in hospital as of this week..
I really don’t get how they can be blaming unvaccinated people so wholeheartedly. The poor fuckers already can’t go to pubs, theatres, nightclubs, restaurants, which are all surely the biggest spreaders of the virus (large crowds and masks off in close, and often drunk, proximity). So how can they be the ones doing the majority of the spreading?
I’m vaccinated and happy to be, but I’m not sure if the vaccine crusaders understand that the unvaccinated ARE people, and that trying to oppress people into agreeing with you is a fundamentally childish and moronic approach.
Nevermind the long-term effects of implementing this kind of legislation. Maybe, MAYBE it might give your granny a few extra years, but it might mean my grandkids and their grandkids all have to carry around papers with all of their medical information on them as a form of ID. That’s messed up to me. And at one point it was a slippery slope argument, but now it’s pretty much already here, and I don’t know how we’ll steer out of it when people will so easily just go “It’s US versus the antivax demon people!” and let the government do anything to keep fuelling that petty narrative
Anyone have the full article?
It’s all very well saying “we are a free country, we value the freedom and rights of the individual” but up until covid, that hadn’t really been put to the test on such a large scale for a long time.
It’s precisely in times like these that we need to be very careful about what basic freedoms we give away under the suspect mantra of “desperate times call for desperate measures” that seems to be the undertone of many governments’ policies.
We need to think about what is proportionate, and what is better for the longer term.
80% + of admissions have an underlying condition, 50% + of all admissions are over 65.
Sure you can focus on the under 45 which are majority unvaxxed but only accounted for 160 admissions over 2 months meanwhile 1200+ were over 45 with majority vaccination.
Not saying the Vax don’t work I’m saying the way it’s being fed it’s very easy to focus on one metric to portray a story that suits the media .
Can we look at how many people are vaccinated for a second. If sources are to be believed 35%+ of people would have no symptoms if they caught covid regardless of vaccination status so let’s perceive that 35% of vaccinated people didn’t need it (for their own health) or wouldn’t need hospital treatment, how many more % would of just been a bit sick, how does that balance out this 93%/7%?
Am I wrong In saying this please you can downvote all you want but hopefully one person can have a debate about this ? I’m quoting what the stats are from cso not from the government /media who are feeding a complete different story
Some of these – most of these- comments are so hard to read. Although I admit that it’s worse on other threads and platforms. Hearing over and over again ‘these anti-vaxxers’ all being lumped together as selfish, stupid, crazy, right-wing, or (at best) misled. I realise these are statements made from a place of fear and trauma, but they are still hurtful.
I have not yet gone to get a covid vaccine. I don’t think I will. I am college educated, leftist, and well-read. I generally keep quiet about my vaccine status, because I don’t want people screaming at me how selfish/stupid I am or that I should die. Life is, frankly, difficult enough without that. I have a good few friends around my same age who are exactly the same. Quietly, and with no small difficulty, refusing. We all have our reasons, but at the core, it boils down to the fact that we are all more fearful and suspicious of the vaccine (and the massive medical/pharmaceutical corporate complex behind the vaccine) than we are of covid-19 itself. Some of us have already been betrayed by that industry. We have all done varying degrees of research, and I for one have waded and waded through the (usually) right-wing propaganda and mis-information against the vaccines as well as the massive media propaganda campaign for the vaccines to try and find facts…true, neutral facts, and, once found, these facts have convinced me more and more that I’ve made the right decision. For myself. FOR MYSELF. I vehemently do not believe in telling others what they should do in regards to medical procedures. But I am not ‘anti-vaxx’ by any means. I wore a mask before anyone else here, (back when our government was still saying they didn’t do any good), because masks make sense to me. I’ve received vaccines for various things as a child and an adult. I simply don’t trust or want this one. The trials were rushed and the process opaque, full stop. The companies are still drip-feed admitting side effects (I don’t care that they say they are rare), and I’ve no reason at all to trust big Pharma. You only have to go to Wikipedia to find out just how untrustworthy the various companies are. All of these things are behind my reasoning, but the biggest reason I have is quite personal. I watched someone I knew very well (who was yes, already ill) have a stroke and die before all of the doctors and nurses said they should/would (and I know, predicting death is not an exact science, but still, it was sudden and traumatic) within a couple of weeks of getting the vaccine. And the rub is that we did not know they’d been given the vaccine. It was done without family consent or knowledge, on top of everything else we were going through. I strongly believe the vaccine led directly to their early death. Can I prove it? No. But neither can anyone disprove it. Also, and to add to my reluctance, an alarming number of people I know who have been vaccinated have had strokes within the past year. And we now know for a fact some of the vaccines can cause strokes. ‘Yes but so can the virus’ I hear some of you say. Yes it can. I know. But that doesn’t change how I feel. I know a good few people who have caught covid. All but one of them fully vaccinated, and interestingly enough, the non-vaccinated person got a much milder dose. That I believe is part lifestyle, and part luck of the draw. I do not believe those who have chosen not to take the vaccine should be cast out of society (which is already happening). There is no scientific basis for the vaccine passes. These are purely and simply smoke and mirrors to make everyone feel better about mingling in pubs and such, and thus help the economy. They also provide a clear and easy scapegoat, in singling out a minority to blame for the mess we’re in. There is a minuscule difference in infectiousness between the vaccinated and non, if they have the virus, and frankly, because the public were misled into thinking ‘if you’re vaccinated you’re safe’ many of those vaccinated are even now being far less careful than those who are not. Myself and those not vaccinated I know are very very careful. We are more afraid of the vaccinated than each other. Honestly, I’d much much rather do testing before going out, like they did in Denmark, I think that makes way more sense than anything else, given the nature of the beast. In fact, I do antigen tests regularly, before and after any situation I feel is risky. We also now know that immunity from vaccination does not last as long as that from natural infection. So boosters will be recommended forever. Which I’m sure makes those pharmaceutical companies very rich and very happy. After all they’re doing this for profit, not out of the goodness of their hearts. Finally, regarding mandates and mandatory covid-19 vaccination, I believe, with every ounce of my being, this is very wrong and very dangerous. Once you set the legal precedent that it’s okay to force people into being vaccinated against their will, you open the possibility of more dangerous such laws in the future. I also am very fearful that the vaccine passes won’t be completely withdrawn in the future ‘when this is all over’- but rather that they will instead be co-opted into something more sinister, some slow, subtle, ‘good for society’ social credit system. This isn’t a conspiracy. This is completely possible —and is something that really frightens me, far more than any virus. Just look at what China has already. No, we’re not China, I know, but I can easily see corporations and governments wanting something like this. It’s not that far away. And maybe the majority will even welcome it. I wouldn’t be surprised. Disappointed, but not surprised.
Not sure how I feel about this mentality. I’m delighted to be fully vaccinated and boosted as of last week. But even an idiot could see where this leads. If everyone in the country is criminalised every time their cert runs out we’re in a more dangerous situation than a pandemic. Think.
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exactly. selfish cunts.
There wouldn’t be any enforcement even if it was brought in.
Don’t give a shit if others aren’t vaccinated. Can lead a horse to water etc
Divide and conquer
It’s a redirection of public sentiment. People should be angry at the way our Government are going about dealing with this, not at each other.
And that’s why we don’t let the mob rule.
It’s shocking how many people have outed themselves as closet authoritarians since this pandemic began, funnily enough though I only ever see this kind of sentiment on the internet, yet to meet any of these dangerous extremists in real life.
For me, the worst part is that the anti-vaxxers’ just genuinely cannot understand that taking up 60% of the ICU beds despite being only 10% of the population is a bad thing. It’s like they cannot comprehend simple maths. It really blows my mind.
im vaccinated but this is wrong. its the governments fault for having shit healthcare and then trying to blame it on unvaccinated, young people, tourists, people that stay out past 11 or eat in groups larger than 6
What would these restrictions accomplish? Unfortunately, both vaccinated and unvaccinated people can carry and transmit the virus to others. Vaccines help your body fight off the virus once you are infected, but vaccines are not designed to stop infection. Literally nothing can stop an initial infection. Therefore, there is no medical advantage to restricting the movement of unvaccinated people.
About 3% of the world population can never be vaccinated because they have chronic illness that compromises their immune systems, so the vaccine could harm or kill them. Is it fair to lock these people away because someone falsely believes unvaccinated people are spreading COVID more than vaccinated people?
What about people who’ve had Covid? Or people who cannot take the vaccine because of other health risks?
This is so wrong. When people are scared and feel like they have no control, they are easily manipulated into looking for a scapegoat. People should have the right to make a medical decision for themselves without being forced or coerced. The unvaxxed do take up a disproportionate number of the shamefully few ICU beds available, but that’s still like 60 beds out of a total of 300,000 people. We’re sleep walking into a totalitarian society.
The overweight and obese take up a disproportionate level of medical resources too. Should we limit their ability to socialise and should we ration the general population to ensure everyone is within a healthy BMI?
Can everyone remember that this is for the Sindo…and unless everyone suddenly got subs for it most of us haven’t read beyond the first paragraph and a half. How big was the poll, how slanted was the methodology, who paid for the study etc etc
I have decided not to take the vaccine after an adverse reaction to the MMR vaccine as a child that led to heart inflammation and hospitalisation, I also had to have subsequent heart scans for the following 3 years. I’ve spoken to my GP about it and for me, the benefit does not outweigh a potential risk. I’m 30 years old, eat well (the occasional take away aside), don’t drink very often and exercise.
According to the HSPC official data, there have been 15 deaths in the 24-35 age range with, similarly, relatively low ICU figures in my age cohort so far in this pandemic. Furthermore, I do not have an underlying condition, which 85% of people who have died with Covid have (again this is the HSPC stat).
Me choosing not to get a vaccine to protect my own health may be considered selfish by some but realistically, the probability of me ‘impacting’ the HSE is very low.
I am sick to death of the de-humanisation of anyone who has chosen not to get a vaccine. No medication in the history of medicine has been suitable to 100% of people so why is this any different?
I am not a threat to you or anyone else, yet it’s easier to blame me than accept that our hospital system is a shambles and the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission.
People are tired of this and now they’re rightfully bloody sick of these self-righteous prats spouting absolute bullshit and insulting the work of so many who gave sacrificed so much.
If the unvaxxed are lockdowned i cant wait to see who the blame will shift to next
Wonder how many read past the first paragraph
If you’re 18+ you had every opportunity to get vaccinated. You chose not to.
Huge sympathy for Irish children — the real victims in all this bullshit.
People are gone mental now on both sides, there’s no middle ground common sense or compassion. You’re either an anti vaxxer or an all out authoritarian.
Jesus christ
This is the clearest warning people are going to get, that we’re on the cusp of a dangerous and permanent increase in authoritarianism in this country.
The government now have a lightning-rod issue, that they can use to ram through _any law they like_, without any regard for how effective/ineffective the measure will be, and without any regard for civil liberties.
People shouldn’t make light of this – it should scare the shit out of people, worse than Covid itself does – it’s a far bigger threat to us all, than Covid.
We’re not even 2 years into the pandemic, and what would be fucking conspiracy-theory levels of unthinkable stuff back then, is becoming reality now.
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It’s wrong for the government to mandate that somebody must take medicine by law.
I’d like to see the results of the survey proper and where it was conducted.
Lol Public mood turns? Take a read of this subreddit
Riiight, time to start setting fires
Mandatory Vacations are a very slippery slope in my opinion… especially with a vaccine that is 10 months or so old
If 85-90% is the threshold for herd immunity, why is small % unvaccinated a problem?
Currently almost 85% of Ireland have vaccinated, and likely to raise to damn near 90% over the next couple months as the younger folks get vaccinated.
>Ireland has administered at least 8,339,577 doses of COVID vaccines so far. Assuming every person needs 2 doses, that’s enough to have vaccinated about 84.4% of the country’s population.
So what is to gain by the dividing and politicising? What is the point?
Sources:
Herd immunity % :[https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-herd-immunity-needs-90-of-people-to-be-vaccinated-hse-says-1.4628150](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-herd-immunity-needs-90-of-people-to-be-vaccinated-hse-says-1.4628150)
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Vaccinated % : [https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/ireland/](https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/ireland/)
I’m so tired of the whole thing. I think that death is the answer. no more hospital for covid patients. death. just death. death to everyone.
Vaxed or unvaxed we should be focused on negative COVID tests not that someone has or hasn’t had a vaccine.
You know people are getting tired of this shit when they’re getting tired of other people’s shit.
Yeah lock them down so ye can finally shift the blame elsewhere!
I reckon we pin it on double jabbed but won’t get boosters!
I wish this fucking virus either just took us all out already or fucked off. I’m sick of this every fucking day. anti vaxx this. bill gates lizard agenda that.
Sample size?
It really seems the scapegoating of the unvaxxed is coming from the top..politicians and the media are getting into very dangerous territory..
There are scarier things than a virus..
Ending up in a totalitarian neo fascist state is one of them..
Can somebody please explain to me how the unvaccinated impact the vaccinated considering the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission?
If the unvaccinated get Covid surely they are only putting themselves at risk since the vaccine only limits the effects of Covid?
A comfortable majority believe the Covid-19 unvaccinated should face greater movement restrictions, according to a nationwide Kantar opinion poll.
In an indication that public patience is wearing thin, 56pc overall say those who have not taken a vaccine should face travel restrictions and workplace bans — a view that increases to 63pc among the fully vaccinated and 69pc of older people.
However, the poll has also found a defiant attitude among the unvaccinated, with overall 15pc intending to carry on socialising as normal over Christmas, rising to 36pc among those who are not fully vaccinated.
A large majority of 80pc intend to cut back Christmas socialising either a lot or somewhat.
Poll interviews began last weekend on the day the Omicron variant was officially named and these concluded on Friday, before the Government announced the re-imposition of restrictions over the Christmas period.
The Sunday Independent has learned that people who lose their jobs from Tuesday as a result of the restrictions will receive the full Pandemic Unemployment Payment of €350 a week, but anyone currently receiving the PUP will not have their payments increased to that level.
Meanwhile, the Department of Education is to give €30m to primary schools before Christmas to buy Hepa air filtration units or to make other improvements to ventilation in school buildings to limit the spread of the virus.
In general the opinion poll finds approval for the Government’s handling of the pandemic steady, with 46pc satisfied and 38pc dissatisfied. There is stronger approval for Nphet (56pc), with one-in-four dissatisfied with the country’s public health advisers.
In relation to the current Covid surge, a third (32pc) believe the authorities have responded about right, with slightly more (35pc) saying the response has not been cautious enough. A fifth (21pc) say the authorities have been too cautious. These findings came before new restrictions were announced on Friday.
However, a clear majority (56pc) believe penalties to encourage vaccine uptake should be introduced against people who remain unvaccinated for reasons other than medical or religious grounds — but a third (31pc) say restrictions on travel or workplace bans should not be introduced.
Support for tougher restrictions is stronger among the fully vaccinated (63pc), older people (69pc) and the middle classes (64pc), with opposition to such a move stronger among those not fully vaccinated (74pc), those who say they are unlikely to restrict socialising over Christmas (58pc) and 18 to 24-year-olds (42pc).
In the current Covid surge, the unvaccinated account for around half of those in hospitals and ICUs. Yesterday the number hospitalised fell to its lowest level in four weeks: there were 487 being treated, down 41 on the same time on Friday. This compares to a figure of 536 on Saturday last week. The Department of Health yesterday announced 5,622 new confirmed cases have been reported.
In relation to Christmas socialising, the poll finds 45pc intend to cut back a lot and 35pc cut back a little, but 15pc (in reality, several hundred thousand people) say they intend to carry on as normal, while 5pc do not know.
The intention to socialise as normal is stronger among the not-fully-vaccinated (36pc), those who believe the Government’s response is too cautious (30pc) and 18 to 24-year-olds (20pc).
In the Sunday Independent today, Paul Moran, associate director of Kantar, says: “There is a well-defined rump of the population, albeit small, that are not vaccinated. While that is indeed their right, there is an undercurrent of defiance among them, and this is leading to a fracture of that collective spirit in tackling the virus.
“It seems that much of the public is quite exasperated with those who choose not to partake in the vaccine programme. As Covid rumbles on and, in light of increased restrictions for the population at large, patience may well wear even thinner as we enter a winter of discontent.”
The poll of a representative sample of all adults aged 18-64 has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1pc.
They’ve stopped publishing the numbers of vaxxed/unvaxxed in hospital as of this week..
I really don’t get how they can be blaming unvaccinated people so wholeheartedly. The poor fuckers already can’t go to pubs, theatres, nightclubs, restaurants, which are all surely the biggest spreaders of the virus (large crowds and masks off in close, and often drunk, proximity). So how can they be the ones doing the majority of the spreading?
I’m vaccinated and happy to be, but I’m not sure if the vaccine crusaders understand that the unvaccinated ARE people, and that trying to oppress people into agreeing with you is a fundamentally childish and moronic approach.
Nevermind the long-term effects of implementing this kind of legislation. Maybe, MAYBE it might give your granny a few extra years, but it might mean my grandkids and their grandkids all have to carry around papers with all of their medical information on them as a form of ID. That’s messed up to me. And at one point it was a slippery slope argument, but now it’s pretty much already here, and I don’t know how we’ll steer out of it when people will so easily just go “It’s US versus the antivax demon people!” and let the government do anything to keep fuelling that petty narrative
Anyone have the full article?
It’s all very well saying “we are a free country, we value the freedom and rights of the individual” but up until covid, that hadn’t really been put to the test on such a large scale for a long time.
It’s precisely in times like these that we need to be very careful about what basic freedoms we give away under the suspect mantra of “desperate times call for desperate measures” that seems to be the undertone of many governments’ policies.
We need to think about what is proportionate, and what is better for the longer term.
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/br/b-cdc/covid-19deathsandcasesseries36/
80% + of admissions have an underlying condition, 50% + of all admissions are over 65.
Sure you can focus on the under 45 which are majority unvaxxed but only accounted for 160 admissions over 2 months meanwhile 1200+ were over 45 with majority vaccination.
Not saying the Vax don’t work I’m saying the way it’s being fed it’s very easy to focus on one metric to portray a story that suits the media .
Can we look at how many people are vaccinated for a second. If sources are to be believed 35%+ of people would have no symptoms if they caught covid regardless of vaccination status so let’s perceive that 35% of vaccinated people didn’t need it (for their own health) or wouldn’t need hospital treatment, how many more % would of just been a bit sick, how does that balance out this 93%/7%?
Am I wrong In saying this please you can downvote all you want but hopefully one person can have a debate about this ? I’m quoting what the stats are from cso not from the government /media who are feeding a complete different story
Some of these – most of these- comments are so hard to read. Although I admit that it’s worse on other threads and platforms. Hearing over and over again ‘these anti-vaxxers’ all being lumped together as selfish, stupid, crazy, right-wing, or (at best) misled. I realise these are statements made from a place of fear and trauma, but they are still hurtful.
I have not yet gone to get a covid vaccine. I don’t think I will. I am college educated, leftist, and well-read. I generally keep quiet about my vaccine status, because I don’t want people screaming at me how selfish/stupid I am or that I should die. Life is, frankly, difficult enough without that. I have a good few friends around my same age who are exactly the same. Quietly, and with no small difficulty, refusing. We all have our reasons, but at the core, it boils down to the fact that we are all more fearful and suspicious of the vaccine (and the massive medical/pharmaceutical corporate complex behind the vaccine) than we are of covid-19 itself. Some of us have already been betrayed by that industry. We have all done varying degrees of research, and I for one have waded and waded through the (usually) right-wing propaganda and mis-information against the vaccines as well as the massive media propaganda campaign for the vaccines to try and find facts…true, neutral facts, and, once found, these facts have convinced me more and more that I’ve made the right decision. For myself. FOR MYSELF. I vehemently do not believe in telling others what they should do in regards to medical procedures. But I am not ‘anti-vaxx’ by any means. I wore a mask before anyone else here, (back when our government was still saying they didn’t do any good), because masks make sense to me. I’ve received vaccines for various things as a child and an adult. I simply don’t trust or want this one. The trials were rushed and the process opaque, full stop. The companies are still drip-feed admitting side effects (I don’t care that they say they are rare), and I’ve no reason at all to trust big Pharma. You only have to go to Wikipedia to find out just how untrustworthy the various companies are. All of these things are behind my reasoning, but the biggest reason I have is quite personal. I watched someone I knew very well (who was yes, already ill) have a stroke and die before all of the doctors and nurses said they should/would (and I know, predicting death is not an exact science, but still, it was sudden and traumatic) within a couple of weeks of getting the vaccine. And the rub is that we did not know they’d been given the vaccine. It was done without family consent or knowledge, on top of everything else we were going through. I strongly believe the vaccine led directly to their early death. Can I prove it? No. But neither can anyone disprove it. Also, and to add to my reluctance, an alarming number of people I know who have been vaccinated have had strokes within the past year. And we now know for a fact some of the vaccines can cause strokes. ‘Yes but so can the virus’ I hear some of you say. Yes it can. I know. But that doesn’t change how I feel. I know a good few people who have caught covid. All but one of them fully vaccinated, and interestingly enough, the non-vaccinated person got a much milder dose. That I believe is part lifestyle, and part luck of the draw. I do not believe those who have chosen not to take the vaccine should be cast out of society (which is already happening). There is no scientific basis for the vaccine passes. These are purely and simply smoke and mirrors to make everyone feel better about mingling in pubs and such, and thus help the economy. They also provide a clear and easy scapegoat, in singling out a minority to blame for the mess we’re in. There is a minuscule difference in infectiousness between the vaccinated and non, if they have the virus, and frankly, because the public were misled into thinking ‘if you’re vaccinated you’re safe’ many of those vaccinated are even now being far less careful than those who are not. Myself and those not vaccinated I know are very very careful. We are more afraid of the vaccinated than each other. Honestly, I’d much much rather do testing before going out, like they did in Denmark, I think that makes way more sense than anything else, given the nature of the beast. In fact, I do antigen tests regularly, before and after any situation I feel is risky. We also now know that immunity from vaccination does not last as long as that from natural infection. So boosters will be recommended forever. Which I’m sure makes those pharmaceutical companies very rich and very happy. After all they’re doing this for profit, not out of the goodness of their hearts. Finally, regarding mandates and mandatory covid-19 vaccination, I believe, with every ounce of my being, this is very wrong and very dangerous. Once you set the legal precedent that it’s okay to force people into being vaccinated against their will, you open the possibility of more dangerous such laws in the future. I also am very fearful that the vaccine passes won’t be completely withdrawn in the future ‘when this is all over’- but rather that they will instead be co-opted into something more sinister, some slow, subtle, ‘good for society’ social credit system. This isn’t a conspiracy. This is completely possible —and is something that really frightens me, far more than any virus. Just look at what China has already. No, we’re not China, I know, but I can easily see corporations and governments wanting something like this. It’s not that far away. And maybe the majority will even welcome it. I wouldn’t be surprised. Disappointed, but not surprised.
Not sure how I feel about this mentality. I’m delighted to be fully vaccinated and boosted as of last week. But even an idiot could see where this leads. If everyone in the country is criminalised every time their cert runs out we’re in a more dangerous situation than a pandemic. Think.
Well time to start a civil war