>>vital practical support provided by volunteers outside abortion clinics will be removed for women.
Such as? More support than that of doctors/nurses?
My wife had a pregnancy that upon an ultrasound had a horrific birth defect (I can’t even spell the name of it a si mostly ejected it from memory what its actually called) but it came with an 80% miscarriage rate, and of those 20% that were born it had a 100% death rate within 30 days of birth. It was an absolutely brutal and devastating find. We knew instantly what had to be done.
Whilst she went to the first clinic to have the pill to start the process, I had to go out so they could do the usual questions that the man can’t be there for (to ensure that I’m not bullying her into it etc. Absolutely fair enough stuff tbh).
I stepped out the front and across the road were about 8 people silently holding signs calling us murderers and that we’re going to hell etc. Luckily I spotted them and when I went back in I asked to go out the back and they let us when I explained why out of earshot of my wife. This wasn’t an unwanted child. It was very much wanted and to this day part of us mourns that list child that never came to be. They have no idea the devastation that can go into making that kind of decision and the toll it can take on people.
The thing that really pissed me off though above all else. They had their fucking kids stood there holding the same signs. They couldn’t have been older than 8 years old. What chance do those kids have at being reasonable people when they’re being made to call me and my wife murderers for not letting a baby be born in agony for less than a month of life?
Cunts.
>“Protests are supposed to be disruptive and shouldn’t be forced to move to make them easy to ignore”
>“We should have anti-protest buffer zones that stops protests from being disruptive and makes them easy to ignore”
Pick one. You don’t get to scream “protests should be disruptive and inconvenient” to defend protests you like, while also supporting laws that stop protests you don’t like from being disruptive and inconvenient.
Great stuff, but a shame it’s part of that mess of a Public Order Bill, Pretty Vacant and Boris Johnson’s legacy attempt to silence dissent.
given all the other forms of protest the Government is so keen to crack down on, its telling how this bear minimum approach is all they are willing to do.
These protestors are useful idiots being used by the right wing to create a wedge issue that can be used to make people vote against their best interests.
> Today, evangelicals make up the backbone of the pro-life movement, but it hasn’t always been so. . .In 1968, for instance, a symposium sponsored by the Christian Medical Society and Christianity Today, the flagship magazine of evangelicalism, refused to characterize abortion as sinful.
> …Opposing abortion rights was the Trojan Horse [Jerry Fallwell] and other white, Southern evangelicals had been looking for to repel integration and reify white supremacist patriarchal power. What spawned the modern anti-abortion movement wasn’t even abortion –– it was racism.
> “We have anti-choice women in for abortions all the time…Many of them are not malicious. They just haven’t given it the proper amount of thought…Then suddenly they become pregnant. Suddenly they see the truth. That it should only be their own choice. Unfortunately, many also think that somehow they are different than everyone else and they deserve to have an abortion, while no one else does.”
Can we still buy stink bombs? A concerted effort to infuse their group with bad smells could be fun.
My wife’s colleague is pregnant. Her ex and her mother are unsupportive, i.e. both want her to get rid of it. My wife is taking her to see her niece who has a new baby. She is about the same age. She’s not pressuring her into not having an abortion, she just wants her to make the right decision for her, not what her mother and ex want her to do, because whatever she decides to do she will have to live with that decision. She can’t blame her mum and ex for her own decision.
Outside an abortion clinic is not the time and place to make that decision. I am pro life in my own personal morals but pro choice when it comes to other people. I support this law.
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>>vital practical support provided by volunteers outside abortion clinics will be removed for women.
Such as? More support than that of doctors/nurses?
My wife had a pregnancy that upon an ultrasound had a horrific birth defect (I can’t even spell the name of it a si mostly ejected it from memory what its actually called) but it came with an 80% miscarriage rate, and of those 20% that were born it had a 100% death rate within 30 days of birth. It was an absolutely brutal and devastating find. We knew instantly what had to be done.
Whilst she went to the first clinic to have the pill to start the process, I had to go out so they could do the usual questions that the man can’t be there for (to ensure that I’m not bullying her into it etc. Absolutely fair enough stuff tbh).
I stepped out the front and across the road were about 8 people silently holding signs calling us murderers and that we’re going to hell etc. Luckily I spotted them and when I went back in I asked to go out the back and they let us when I explained why out of earshot of my wife. This wasn’t an unwanted child. It was very much wanted and to this day part of us mourns that list child that never came to be. They have no idea the devastation that can go into making that kind of decision and the toll it can take on people.
The thing that really pissed me off though above all else. They had their fucking kids stood there holding the same signs. They couldn’t have been older than 8 years old. What chance do those kids have at being reasonable people when they’re being made to call me and my wife murderers for not letting a baby be born in agony for less than a month of life?
Cunts.
>“Protests are supposed to be disruptive and shouldn’t be forced to move to make them easy to ignore”
>“We should have anti-protest buffer zones that stops protests from being disruptive and makes them easy to ignore”
Pick one. You don’t get to scream “protests should be disruptive and inconvenient” to defend protests you like, while also supporting laws that stop protests you don’t like from being disruptive and inconvenient.
Great stuff, but a shame it’s part of that mess of a Public Order Bill, Pretty Vacant and Boris Johnson’s legacy attempt to silence dissent.
given all the other forms of protest the Government is so keen to crack down on, its telling how this bear minimum approach is all they are willing to do.
These protestors are useful idiots being used by the right wing to create a wedge issue that can be used to make people vote against their best interests.
Abortion was [not historically a concern](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133/) for evangelicals
> Today, evangelicals make up the backbone of the pro-life movement, but it hasn’t always been so. . .In 1968, for instance, a symposium sponsored by the Christian Medical Society and Christianity Today, the flagship magazine of evangelicalism, refused to characterize abortion as sinful.
It only became an issue after segregated (white only) religious schools in the American south had their [tax exempt status removed](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/anti-abortion-politics-have-always-been-the-right-wing-s-trojan-horse-for-racism/ar-AAYFhbi)
> …Opposing abortion rights was the Trojan Horse [Jerry Fallwell] and other white, Southern evangelicals had been looking for to repel integration and reify white supremacist patriarchal power. What spawned the modern anti-abortion movement wasn’t even abortion –– it was racism.
And, of course, ‘[the only moral abortion is my abortion](https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/)”
> “We have anti-choice women in for abortions all the time…Many of them are not malicious. They just haven’t given it the proper amount of thought…Then suddenly they become pregnant. Suddenly they see the truth. That it should only be their own choice. Unfortunately, many also think that somehow they are different than everyone else and they deserve to have an abortion, while no one else does.”
Can we still buy stink bombs? A concerted effort to infuse their group with bad smells could be fun.
My wife’s colleague is pregnant. Her ex and her mother are unsupportive, i.e. both want her to get rid of it. My wife is taking her to see her niece who has a new baby. She is about the same age. She’s not pressuring her into not having an abortion, she just wants her to make the right decision for her, not what her mother and ex want her to do, because whatever she decides to do she will have to live with that decision. She can’t blame her mum and ex for her own decision.
Outside an abortion clinic is not the time and place to make that decision. I am pro life in my own personal morals but pro choice when it comes to other people. I support this law.